Another "flipped" election in GA-6 today...

[JoeOtterbein]

I'm sorry to say I really do think the vote counting "machine" is programmed to flip votes when the election is close, as proved tonight in GA 6.

[LaydeeBug]

1. Notice they had a "bad card" that came in AFTER they knew how many to fix...

Jesus H. Christ on Cheez-its.

They will keep doing it, and keep getting away with it as long as we refuse to recognize what they're doing.

[BannonsLiver]

3. It's not the recognizing part that's the problem

It's the proving it and more importantly, doing something about it part, that is the problem.

[Dawson Leery]

2. Only Jon Ossoff can claim this seat

with legitimacy.

[ProudLib72]

4. Can he demand a recount?

[KelleyKramer]

43. It's computer voting, there is nothing to recount

That's some democracy we have here, isn't it

[TDale313]

5. Yep. The way things stand, Dems need a 5-10 point cushion

Anything closer (Depending on where the race is) and the game is rigged so that Repugs can shave that margin and win by a hair. Voting machines, but also voter suppression. It's seriously fucked up, and my blood boils every time this happens- and in the last couple decades it's happened a lot.

[L. Coyote]

6. What bullshit. Why are you spreading this disgusting rumor?

You got nothing but innuendo and paranoia. Get a grip.

[JoeOtterbein]

9. Gore, Clinton (and many other elections) and another GOP "close" win again? Just by accident?

Beyond Coincidence. Again.

[L. Coyote]

14. More bullshit and false logic too now.

Just because there have been close elections in the past or even stolen elections in the past doesn't mean a close election is rigged. You do a disservice to democracy by creating a false lack of confidence in elections with this baseless talk.

And I'm someone who has shown how elections have been stolen and am a member of election integrity groups. If you want to say an election is rigged, do your homework first instead of spouting off without proof.

[JoeOtterbein]

35. You are flipping the logic...

Everything you said like "the past doesn't mean a close election is rigged" could also mean the election IS rigged. So other than trashing me, provide me just ONE audit saying it was correct.

[MFM008]

46. Anything

The repukes can do , including lying cheating and theft is ON the table. WHY? Because they do it.

[mythology]

53. Al Franken - won by 312 votes

Christine Gregoire - won by 133 votes

John Brooks - won by 33 votes

Mark Herring - won by 907 votes

Jeanne Windham - won by 2 votes

Al Gore won New Mexico by 366 votes - closer than Florida

Perry Warren - won by 28 votes

Vince Mazzeo - won by 40 votes

Apparently Republicans forgot to fix the above elections and more. Stupid unfounded conspiracy theories are silly.

[KittyWampus]

7. He was polling at 43% and did better. Stop pushing stupid conspiracy nonsense.

[JoeOtterbein]

10. It is NEVER stupid to question "authority"

[KittyWampus]

11. It's always better to come up with a stupid conspiracy when a candidate does BETTER than

expected.

[JoeOtterbein]

13. Why? Do you think the GOP/Russia would Never do such a thing as rig a close election?

[L. Coyote]

26. False equivalency. You got nothing if that's all you have.

You are screaming fire in a crowded theater because there once was a fire in a theater.

In case you didn't notice, The Republicans got blown out in this election.

[L. Coyote]

17. That's not what you are doing and you know it. Quit bullshitting us. You are lying.

[JoeOtterbein]

31. So you know MY motives. NOT the GOP's? Huh? YOU DO NOT KNOW ME! Where do you come up with that???

[mythology]

50. You're not questioning authority

You are stating that the election was fraudulent with absolutely zero evidence. You're doing the same thing Republicans do when they claim in person voter fraud is a big issue.

[Hoyt]

56. +1 billion zillion.

[Txbluedog]

8. Yes because it's impossible...

For the democratic candidate to get less than 50% in a strong republican district. This victim mentality is why we're going to be powerless for the foreseeable future

[standingtall]

19. Must also be impossible for

republicans to cheat to avoid the embarrassment of letting a Democrat get above 50% in a strong republican district. Republicans openly engage in acts of voter suppression such as voter id laws and cross check,but it would be impossible for them to actually flip votes if they could. Somehow that would be above them.

I don't give republicans the benefit of the doubt. They are not to be trusted.

[JoeOtterbein]

23. Thanks!

[JoeOtterbein]

37. Thanks!

[dsc]

12. He did better than polling suggested he would

there is literally no evidence whatsoever that votes were flipped.

[JoeOtterbein]

16. Have you audited the machines? When the evidence is so close, we must look further to be sure

[L. Coyote]

20. We know you haven't, so don't play this stupid game. Take down your post.

[JoeOtterbein]

25. Why are you afraid of something?

[L. Coyote]

28. Yes, I'm afraid of people purposefully creating the impression that voting is pointless. Stop it.

Do it in freeperville if you must, but don't drag DU into that sewer.

[JoeOtterbein]

30. Even IF is is TRUE??? HUH??? REALLY????

[Stinky The Clown]

15. Please take your post down

This is made up fake news.

Go elsewhere with this shit.

[JoeOtterbein]

18. You still stink! LOL! (that was an easy shot)

[L. Coyote]

22. Now you are stoop to attacking posters with reasonable replies.

Close your account if that is the best you can do.

[JoeOtterbein]

29. YOU close your account if you have EVER used foul langauge on DU

because you would have been long gone. Not me.

[Demonaut]

44. for fucking real? shity way to act like a cock

[onenote]

47. We really shouldn't let ten year olds post here.

Grow up.

[JoeOtterbein]

21. BTW, this is STILL Democratic UNDERGROUND! Not just what is ACCEPTABLE to you!

[JoeOtterbein]

24. Please stop being such a stinky named PC Cop! WE do not need it on this post!

[JoeOtterbein]

27. The PC Trolls might be right, DO NOT QUESTION elections because our own guys won by the same rigged

...machines. That reasoning is not only wrong. It is clearly unpatriotic by any standard.

[yardwork]

52. Stop these baseless accusations. This is wrong.

[JoeOtterbein]

32. Please all note I use my REAL name. And I do not care!

[mvd]

33. There are factors that concern me

1. Repukes just can't be trusted by nature. Party over democracy/the country much of the time for them.

2. Another example of the votes being stopped and then a big flip. This is not the first time that has happened.

3. Repukes have stolen it before - we know it happened in 2000, and likely in more cases

I do not fully trust our voting system. That said, we still have to vote, and there is a big point against the stolen vote argument: we came in much closer here than before.

[JoeOtterbein]

34. Thanks!

[Doodley]

36. The math doesn't support that it was flipped, at least based on the Fulton hiccup.

At that point, 50% was not going to happen.

[JoeOtterbein]

38. Thanks Doodley! Please explain further for all of us!

[Doodley]

42. Take a look at the results by county compared to Clinton in the presidential election:

Fulton

Ossoff 47.9% (78% counted), Clinton 46.4%

Cobb

Ossoff 41.3%, Clinton 39.9%

DeKalb

Ossoff 58.6%, Clinton 57.0%

Note the remarkable consistency - Ossoff did between 1.4 and 1.6% better in each county than Clinton.

When he was at 16% counted and 55% in Fulton, he would need to get
nearly 50% for the rest of the count. Take into account that those early results for Fulton included early voting that boosts Democrats. There was no way the rest of the results would average 50%.

[JoeOtterbein]

39. I'm in food business. I do not believe ANYTHING unless it has been audited. WHY can't we do the same

with our elections? Please maybe one of you election believers can answer me???

[Exilednight]

48. For there to be true transparency, and a legitimate audit, we would

have to publish how each person voted, which I never want. How I, you, or anyone else votes is between them and their conscience.

IF people choose to announce who they vote for, then that's up to them, but I don't want the powers that be forcing it upon me and publishing it.

[Ezior]

61. True transparency is possible while still keeping the individual votes secret

This way it's transparent:
- Polling places are open to anyone during the election so everyone can make sure everything is handled correctly
- Paper ballots (because with software, you never know what's really going on – even software developers are suprised sometimes and can't figure out what's going on, so they need to go on a "debugging" hunt for hours or even days – there are actually debugging tools that go through software code step by step and display stored variables to make it easier to grasp what is wrong, because software development can be quite difficult)
- Anyone is allowed to watch the vote counting process

=> No way to secretly flip votes if enough people care for the election and watch the process. Don't forget to compare results in your precint with what is published in the final results though, to make sure the numbers were submitted correctly.

[Exilednight]

68. That would still leave it open to vote tampering.

[kentuck]

40. Trump is losing votes every day.

He lost a lot in this district. A few more days, and it could have been a worse defeat for Trump and the Republicans.

[standingtall]

41. I get why so many

insist that we must demonstrate hard evidence or even evidence at all to simply express an opinion about election results. Republicans stealing elections is not a wild conspiracy theory. If it's a conspiracy theory at all it's a logical one. In this particular case I don't know if they did or not,but I would not rule out the possibility.

[Doodley]

45. I agree. The system has no transparency and there is no reason to trust it.

[yardwork]

49. Calling this a "flipped election" with zero evidence is not helpful.

Telling people that their votes won't matter depresses turnout. It's the opposite of what we need right now.

[demmiblue]

55. +1

[brooklynite]

51. I don't care what you think...

Show me the evidence.

[Kashkakat v.2.0]

54. "RED SHIFT" is a real thing - denying it is not useful. IMHO, the fact that it generally CAN'T be

proven one way or nother, that recount processes have not been updated to include modern audit procedures capable of detecting electronic fraud, these are serious problems that should be corrected. Whether it actually happened or not is irrelevant, really. The fact is it is not only possible, but easily done - as election activists of both R & D persuasions have shown us - is really all we need to know.

When electronic banking was first implemented you didnt see bankers sitting around waiting to see if anyone would steal money before implementing security and audit systems - our democratic process is no less deserving of protection.

[yardwork]

59. "Whether it really happened or not is irrelevant." FALSE.

That way leads to paranoia and chaos.

By all means let's insist on transparent elections. The first step is to get Democrats in power so that we can actually do something about it.

Running around whipping up paranoia and hopelessness is wrong. It appears to be an attempt to depress turnout.

[Kashkakat v.2.0]

70. OK, "irrelevant" perhaps not the right word - how bout "whether or not the vote has actually been

hacked, the the fact that it *IS* hackable needs to be remedied."

Sound better? That's more like what I was trying to say.

Many independent & nonpartisan researchers - foresensic &IT experts have proven that it is, by and large, extremely vulnerable to manipulation. Acknowledging that FACT is not "whipping up paranoia."

[Ezior]

63. Not sure if it's worth it to introduce electronic fraud audits...

...since as far as I know, even after an audit, you can't be 100% sure if electronic elections were rigged or not. I have a Masters degree in Informatik (computer science), though I have no idea if maybe someone came up with a 100% verifiable electronic voting mechanism. It would be difficult in any case.

Simply go back to paper ballots and hand-counting. Even people without any degree at all can "audit" that process, which makes it much more robust.

In fact, stealing money electronically happens quite a lot even though bankers try to implement perfect security and audits. Why would you want to do that to elections, where stealing votes is not as easily noticeable.

[sharedvalues]

57. Foreign intervention known at the VOTERS, not the votes

We already know Russia intervened with media to influence voters (source: Senate Intel Cmte).

The GOP in this GA race intervened by telling lies about Ossoff (osama; Trump's healthcare tweet lies).
https://theintercept.com/2017/04/06/terrorism-smear-campaign-against-democratic-contender-for-congress-run-by-saudi-lobbyist/


We have enough to focus on with political lies aimed at voters. Let's talk about that.

[aikoaiko]

58. Please preface your OP with "This is just an opinion not based on direct observation or fact"

Thank you.

[Bettie]

60. I don't know that I will ever

be confident in the results of any election again.

The system is just too open to corruption these days.

[greymattermom]

62. All of us in Georgia 6 will go to the polls again

There is so much enthusiasm here. It's an exciting place to be now. I was at the Ossoff party last night, and folks were dancing and talking to each other. I told a stranger that I was excited to see so many white people who aren't creepy.

[L. Coyote]

64. Congratulations on the least rec'ed thread per views. That's how an unfounded lie dies around here.

I would say welcome to DU, but as you can see this bullshit isn't welcomed here, in the online epicenter of election integrity and stolen election discussions.

[JoeOtterbein]

65. Truth is scary, they are afraid

[L. Coyote]

66. Look inward Grasshopper, don't be afraid.

[Glitterati]

67. I'm sorry, but there was nothing unusual in this election

I'm a true believer in rigged elections, but the Fulton County results are unsurprising, nor are they unusual.

Not ALL of Fulton County is included in this congressional district - only rich, white, heavily republican North Fulton county. Which is, BTW, Karen Handel's home base. She started in local politics holding a seat on the city council from North Fulton, then went to Secretary of State. She underperforms in statewide elections, but still does OK locally.

Honestly, Karen Handel badly underperformed last night.

There just isn't any basis to make this claim.

[mfcorey1]

69. I am afraid that I agree with you. Something nefarious happened. I knew

the fix was in when the laptops were stolen. How they equate. I have not figured out but I do believe that it was the point of manipulation that will be ready for the June runoff.