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Tom Rinaldo

(22,911 posts)
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 01:59 PM Apr 2017

I Support Bernie Sanders Remaining an Independent

I say that not only as a registered Democrat who votes Democratic every year, but also as a Democratic Party official, which makes me about as much of a Democrat as one can be. I'm the elected Chair of our Town's Democratic Committee. I have a seat on our county's Democratic Party Executive Committee. Last night I chaired a meeting of our Town's Democratic Committee preparing for the local elections in November, and we just recruited a very solid highly qualified candidate to run for an open seat on our Town Board. She is a Democrat, and she voted for Bernie Sanders in the 2016 New York State Democratic Presidential primary.

At that same meeting we moved forward on plans for door knocking throughout our Town to build resistance to our newly elected Republican Congressman (ours is considered to be a swing congressional district). That is the Democratic Party in action. On that effort we are working with Democratic activists, we are working with Working Families Party activists, we are even working alongside some Green Party members (few and far between), and we are working with Independent activists (they are called non-enrolled voters around here to avoid confusing them with members of the Independence Party).

Gallup has been ruing a poll for years that asks: “In politics, as of today, do you consider yourself a Republican, a Democrat or an independent? “ On March 17 2017 26% said Republican, 42% said Independent, and 30% said Democrat. Those figures bounce around a little, but since Gallup started running it in 2004 the relative order remains fairly constant. More almost always answer Independent than Democrat.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/15370/Party-Affiliation.aspx

A different Gallup study issued in 2014 had this finding:
“Young Americans in their 20s and 30s today share two important political characteristics -- they are the most likely of any age group to eschew identification with either party, and, among those who do have a political identity, they are the most likely, along with older baby boomers, to tilt toward the Democratic Party. “

Further on it goes on to explain the actual raw data – how young people literally self identify their political affiliations:

“These results highlight, again, the political detachment of the younger generation, with almost half of the very youngest initially identifying themselves as independents. The percentage of Americans who are independent drops at a remarkably steady rate across the entire age spectrum...

... Young Americans are more detached from the political system in general, but still tilt strongly toward the Democratic Party, particularly when those who initially identify as independents are asked to which party they lean.”
http://www.gallup.com/poll/172439/party-identification-varies-widely-across-age-spectrum.aspx

I would argue that Bernie Sanders now occupies a sweet spot among voters who profess an affinity for “liberal” values that the Democratic Party has long associated with, especially so with younger voters. The Democratic Party, essentially by definition, has a plethora of leaders. We have the DNC, we have State Democratic Committees. We have paid spokespeople, we have paid strategists, we have three ex-Presidents. We have thousands of Democrats who have been elected to offices. We have plenty of people who can make the case for being a Democrat, which is all well and good. Still the trend lines for registering as a Democrat have been running against us for year, decades actually. That is not because of Bernie Sanders, or Angus King either for that matter, who is the other Independent caucusing with Democrats in the Senate. It is because more and more people prefer to see themselves as Independents. It is a historical trend and literally registered Democrats are now a significant minority of the general public. Wishing it were otherwise does not change those facts.

Independents by definition choose not to belong to a political party. And there are more of them than there are of us. Many people value the perceived integrity of being Independent, positioned beyond the pall of partisan politics. Still, just like people who do affiliate with a political party, they vote, and it is not a stretch to say that they hold the balance of power in American politics today. Given that I think it is an asset to us as Democrats to have a self identified Independent like Bernie Sanders not only caucus with us in the Senate, the way Angus King does, but also advocate on behalf of the Democratic Party as an institution. Sanders recently said, "If the Democratic Party is going to succeed - and I want to see it succeed - it's gonna have to open its door to Independents".

I think Bernie Sanders is unusually well situated to help the Democratic Party succeed, and he is doing so. No he is not an active part of the Democratic Party apparatus the way both I and Tom Perez are. We have people for those roles. Sanders is an independent outside advocate, to other Independents, for working with the Democratic Party to help it achieve a positive vision for America. He has always done so by caucusing with us, but more recently he did so by inspiring so many to become personally involved in Democratic politics, via his own campaign for President. That is having a positive carry over to this day. I am seeing that here at the local Democratic Party level. Sanders endorsed and campaigned for the Democratic Party candidate for President. Now he is traveling around the country with the DNC Chair – the one who defeated the candidate for that position who he himself originally endorsed.

Let me go back to that Gallup quote above: “Young Americans are more detached from the political system in general, but still tilt strongly toward the Democratic Party, particularly when those who initially identify as independents are asked to which party they lean.” Bernie is helping consolidate the Democratic Party appeal to precisely those kinds of Independents by, as an Independent, repeatedly associating with us. He may not always immediately deliver new Democratic Party members to us as a consequence of his activity - though I see a strong uptick in new literal Democratic Party activism from people who were pulled into our Party because of their involvement in the Sanders run for the Democratic presidential nomination. But Bernie Sanders is making a strong case to look first to the Democratic Party for candidates to support to achieve progressive ideals.

It wasn't preordained that it would be this way. There have been growing rumbles for years that the Left in America needed a new political party to support other than the Democrats; an American Labor Party perhaps, or a reconstituted and expanded Green Party associated with a wider spectrum of issues beyond a relatively narrow focus on environmental concerns. Bernie Sanders could have spearheaded that movement. He was pointedly asked to do so. He could have become it's standard bearer running as a third party Independent – which inevitably would have resulted in a new left of center party forming in the wake of his campaign Or Bernie Sanders could have run in 2016 with the Green Party endorsement for President. Jill Stein offered him that deal and Bernie refused. Or he could have stayed out of the 2016 race all together once he lost the Democratic nomination, but instead he campaigned for Hillary Clinton, who of course Jill Stein directly opposed.

I am not saying that we need a lot more Bernie Sanders Independent types, he pretty much fills the bill by himself as a high profile advocate for Independents to look first to the Democratic Party for political representation, rather than going third party or staying at home. We are lucky we have Sanders playing that role.

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I Support Bernie Sanders Remaining an Independent (Original Post) Tom Rinaldo Apr 2017 OP
Thank you for your thoughtful analysis! PatsFan87 Apr 2017 #1
I support Bernie. I've been both a Democrat and an unaffiliated voter, now back to a RKP5637 Apr 2017 #2
Great post. Recommended. panader0 Apr 2017 #3
I hoped... Mike Nelson Apr 2017 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author ymetca Apr 2017 #5
Thanks for presenting ideas I had not thought of before, pangaia Apr 2017 #6
That is up to Bernie, but what I do have issues with is his demeaning rhetoric about the still_one Apr 2017 #7
I shouldn't, but I'll bite ProfessorPlum Apr 2017 #10
I am Not baiting anyone. I am referring to his speech a few weeks ago where he said trump supporter still_one Apr 2017 #14
It sounds like he didn't say anything at all like you claimed he said ProfessorPlum Apr 2017 #17
Here is one link, I am not at a convenient place to respond right now still_one Apr 2017 #19
there is nothing in that link that is anything like what you said ProfessorPlum Apr 2017 #24
Actually he said something worse! delisen Apr 2017 #28
so you agree that Sanders was slandered and that still_one ProfessorPlum Apr 2017 #29
Not at all. I just find the Bernie Resurrection threads amusing diversions. delisen Apr 2017 #38
Well said UT_democrat Apr 2017 #8
Agreed. Bernie is zentrum Apr 2017 #9
This is a great post. aquamarina Apr 2017 #11
K/R..... LovingA2andMI Apr 2017 #12
I'm a lifelong Democrat, yellerdawg, and registered. ananda Apr 2017 #13
Dad would be 104 now and always safeinOhio Apr 2017 #21
K and R Quixote1818 Apr 2017 #15
+1000 Eom Arazi Apr 2017 #16
The Dem party is like a huge, lumbering, big-tent cruise ship. Bernie is a like a little tugboat ... earthshine Apr 2017 #18
I like your analogy /t Tom Rinaldo Apr 2017 #37
Ditto the analogy. KPN Apr 2017 #46
Great analysis and thoughts for everyone! h2ebits Apr 2017 #20
K & R FailureToCommunicate Apr 2017 #22
Excellent post Tom and thank you. MuseRider Apr 2017 #23
Thank you. I really like your obserations on how Bernie's campaign changed your local party Tom Rinaldo Apr 2017 #34
Thank you MuseRider Apr 2017 #36
Reports like yours from Kansas are really valuable food for thought Tom Rinaldo Apr 2017 #43
I have long been out of the party MuseRider Apr 2017 #50
I think Bernie is part of a much bigger change in attitude. HopeAgain Apr 2017 #25
"I don't agree to a breakup of the two party system, but I do listen..." Tom Rinaldo Apr 2017 #40
I do not support Sanders running as an independent Gothmog Apr 2017 #26
Wait. Other times you've objected to Bernie running as a Democrat. KPN Apr 2017 #45
Look, sanity! lies Apr 2017 #27
I don't have a problem with his status, either. randome Apr 2017 #30
Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! for the huge breath of SANITY. It is soooo appreciated. BigBearJohn Apr 2017 #31
Independents are a varied group. I think Sanders outreach is narrow. delisen Apr 2017 #32
A softening of support for Dems among younger voters would be a more far reaching problem Tom Rinaldo Apr 2017 #33
Who's saying anything about "an outreach aimed primarily at that group"? KPN Apr 2017 #47
Very well thought out. Exilednight Apr 2017 #35
Post removed Post removed Apr 2017 #39
Bernie can stay how ever the f he wants too madokie Apr 2017 #41
I've no problem with him being independent. I do have problem with his thoughtless bashing of dems. Justice Apr 2017 #42
Excellent post TR! KPN Apr 2017 #44
I am reminded of the old proverb Tom Rinaldo Apr 2017 #49
A thoughtful and we'll reasoned post about Bernie? progressoid Apr 2017 #48
K&R! nt riderinthestorm Apr 2017 #51
K&R SalviaBlue Apr 2017 #52
Thank you, Tom. mac56 Apr 2017 #53
Message deleted by DU the Administrators Lilly52 Apr 2017 #54

PatsFan87

(368 posts)
1. Thank you for your thoughtful analysis!
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 02:06 PM
Apr 2017

Bernie represents many people, especially young people like myself.

Mike Nelson

(9,942 posts)
4. I hoped...
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 02:17 PM
Apr 2017

...he would remain a Democrat, win or lose the nomination and Presidency - if it were applicable. But, Bernie has been an "Independent" progressive party-switcher since the 1970s. I understand and support his decision.

Response to Tom Rinaldo (Original post)

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
6. Thanks for presenting ideas I had not thought of before,
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 02:21 PM
Apr 2017

about why Bernie is doing what he is doing, and just the political situation in general.



still_one

(92,060 posts)
7. That is up to Bernie, but what I do have issues with is his demeaning rhetoric about the
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 02:26 PM
Apr 2017

Last edited Wed Apr 19, 2017, 03:04 PM - Edit history (1)

Democratic party.

The example that comes to mind is when he elevated those who supported trump to a higher level than those who voted Democratic.

The Democratic party is made of different perspectives.

ProfessorPlum

(11,253 posts)
10. I shouldn't, but I'll bite
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 03:11 PM
Apr 2017

Just what are you talking about

" he elevated those who supported trump to a higher level than those who voted Democratic"

still_one

(92,060 posts)
14. I am Not baiting anyone. I am referring to his speech a few weeks ago where he said trump supporter
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 03:49 PM
Apr 2017

were not racists or deplorable as depicted by Hillary and the Democrats

First that isn't quite what was said. Hillary said 50% of those who supported trump fit in that category.

While it is fair to persuade trump voters not to vote against their own interests,, to push that by falsely characterizing that this is what Hillary and by proxy "Democrats" think is divisive. There are other examples where he has made similar arguments that put the Democratic Party into a negative light where it plays into the theme "there is no difference between the parties", and implies that is why he is not part of it.

Perhaps I am reading to much into it, but that is my take

Let me add that since Perez and him have been touring together, that rhetoric seems not as prevalent



ProfessorPlum

(11,253 posts)
17. It sounds like he didn't say anything at all like you claimed he said
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 03:52 PM
Apr 2017

That's kind of libelous.

You should stop that.

ProfessorPlum

(11,253 posts)
24. there is nothing in that link that is anything like what you said
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 04:27 PM
Apr 2017

that Sanders said. He didn't elevate Trump supporters above people who voted for Hillary.

That's just simply a lie.

Retract it.

delisen

(6,042 posts)
28. Actually he said something worse!
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 04:50 PM
Apr 2017

Donald Trump supporters are not racist “deplorables” and Hillary Clinton and the Democratic Party are to blame for November’s shock election defeat: So said Clinton’s defeated primary challenger Sen. Bernie Sanders during a rally in Boston Friday night.

Sanders is working his show..that's his right.

Making others his bogeyman or bogeywoman is tiresome.

His negativity is often a turn off.

He has little international experience so he sees everything in politics through a narrow lens.




zentrum

(9,865 posts)
9. Agreed. Bernie is
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 03:09 PM
Apr 2017

......helping the Democrats. He gets young people involved, aware of the issues, passionately interested ----and the long term result will be a rejuvenation of the mainstream Party because those young people will seek office, call their local Representative, press for legislation that helps the middle class.

He helps true up the political calculus in Congress which has swung way right with the Repugs.

 

aquamarina

(1,865 posts)
11. This is a great post.
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 03:27 PM
Apr 2017

BS has long worked along side Dems and has been a vocal advocate for many Dem positions. If he can help boost voter turnout for progressive and liberal candidates then more power to him.

ananda

(28,831 posts)
13. I'm a lifelong Democrat, yellerdawg, and registered.
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 03:34 PM
Apr 2017

And I support Bernie Sanders all the way as well!

Anyone who speaks for people against corporations
I always suppport!

safeinOhio

(32,632 posts)
21. Dad would be 104 now and always
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 04:11 PM
Apr 2017

said, "I'm a Democrat, I vote for em or against em".

I personally am a Democrat, but I vote on issues. I supported BS up until he lost and then change to HC. My issues are very in line with BS and EW. I can't ever see my self voting for any repub.

I remember when George Wallace won the Democratic primary in Michigan and if he would have won the national, I would have never voted for him.

 

earthshine

(1,642 posts)
18. The Dem party is like a huge, lumbering, big-tent cruise ship. Bernie is a like a little tugboat ...
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 04:01 PM
Apr 2017

who can bring us to harbor. He's external to us, yet on our team.

As a full-fledged Dem, he'd have to fall in line with Schumer. I'd rather he be independent of that leadership.

The people of VT elected him to be an Indie. It's their decision and his.

No matter how bad it gets, Bernie never seems to lose hope.

h2ebits

(640 posts)
20. Great analysis and thoughts for everyone!
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 04:09 PM
Apr 2017

Mostly I lurk at DU. This post has been long in coming and, I hope, will give at least a few more people here the ability to stop bashing everything that is not Hillary.

I would also like to take this posting to thank each and every person that has contributed to the dribbling of details regarding the Trump/Russia connections.

Our country is in serious trouble and it will take ALL of us PULLING TOGETHER to extricate ourselves from the grip of the crony capitalists and crooks operating in broad daylight.

This post from Tom Rinaldo can, hopefully, help more of us unite on shared ideas.

MuseRider

(34,095 posts)
23. Excellent post Tom and thank you.
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 04:26 PM
Apr 2017

I have been in unaffiliated voter in Kansas for a long time. I had to register as a Democrat to vote in the primary and voting for Bernie meant enough for me to do that even when I absolutely had no use for the party in my state. After the primaries showed Bernie (I cannot remember the numbers but I think he got 60% of the primary) winning here I thought perhaps it has changed and I might feel comfortable there. It IS changing but I do not think it ever would have if it had not been for that circumstance of Bernie. It was too easy to follow the wealth and social status parties and keep the party just barely to the left of the Republicans. Our platform was never as conservative as our reps were. It just sucked and I saw friend after friend get involved and get chewed up and spit out because they just did not fit in. Well, Bernie allowed people like me and people like my friends to feel comfortable again with being different in the party. Enough so that the party is swinging rather quickly to the left, our platform is a good one and one I can support.

Bernie would never want to belong to something that he had to support just because he was a member. There are a lot of us out here who do not fit into the "you are us we are you we are all together, vote for it or be gone" mold. A lot of people can tolerate that, I am not one of them. I think Bernie would be less effective inside. I agree with your assessment of his directing people to see the Democrats as the solution. I had friends who are Tea Party who loathed both Trump and Clinton but liked and wanted to vote for Bernie. They either did not vote or became extremely pro Trump after the deplorable comment. Bernie did appeal to a large group and I have no problem with him still trying to do so. We may not understand why some voted for Trump, I know I sure do not understand it but what is the harm trying to teach them a better way?

Thanks Tom, excellent writing.

Sorry, you did not need my views. I just came in to agree and tell you thanks for this. It is a lovely piece as you always write and it should help some maybe understand better why he is who he is and says what he says. Does the Democratic party need work? What party doesn't? Friendly criticism is only meant to help and ignoring it only keeps things where they are. We do need to listen and give it a fair hearing. Would we listen to Trump or McConnell or Ryan like they could help? Nope, but Bernie wants it all to be better on this side of the aisle. I think that is a good thing.

Tom Rinaldo

(22,911 posts)
34. Thank you. I really like your obserations on how Bernie's campaign changed your local party
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 07:22 PM
Apr 2017
That was really well put and an important insight to share I think

MuseRider

(34,095 posts)
36. Thank you
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 07:34 PM
Apr 2017

I want to say a little more but I have to run.

I will leave this here. KDP has the most progressive platform I think it ever has. That is because once everyone saw Bernie win here many of them, not all for certain but many of them decided it was a good thing to harness that enthusiasm and the only way to do that was to really push back against the horrible Brownback regime. It is not hard to rouse people when they have been living under that. By using Bernie's ideas, making a progressive party platform and using the enthusiasm that is certainly not only from Democrats they are beginning to seem to make some real progress. Not real sure yet but Bernie brought out 5,000 in Topeka and then talked to about 1,000 more afterwards, mostly high school students. It remains to be seen if it is enough but we do have time.

Gotta run, thanks again for starting this dialog. It is calm and rational and not something we usually see in the Bernie wars. I really appreciate it.

Tom Rinaldo

(22,911 posts)
43. Reports like yours from Kansas are really valuable food for thought
Thu Apr 20, 2017, 01:13 PM
Apr 2017

I would urge you to write an OP about your experience with the Kansas Democratic Party, how that experience is changing, and why. Bernie may have helped catalyze some of that, but the dynamics go way beyond the role of any individual. It's one part of a bigger picture that I would love to read more about.

MuseRider

(34,095 posts)
50. I have long been out of the party
Thu Apr 20, 2017, 04:43 PM
Apr 2017

my experiences were not particularly positive. The kicker that sent me out was when I went to the second level of our presidential caucus and was told, as were all of us who were representing candidates who were not John Kerry, that we were going to vote for Kerry or we needed to leave. I was tasked to take my vote from the people of my caucus for a different candidate. We were not allowed to vote. I left the party after that. The other experiences were experiences of friends of mine and my knowledge is anecdotal. I believe them since I know many of the people who did what they did and I believe they would do that but I really do not feel like writing about it in detail since I was not involved personally.

I have to say that I think the Progressive caucus is gaining a lot of strength. It had already gone from being looked at as the outcasts to being taken seriously. I think with the people running it it may become a real force here. At least the Democrats will be speaking about real Democratic issues. I am certain there are others here who are involved with the party who know much more than I do. I seem to feel best sticking with issues and doing that work, including over the years doing some actual lobbying our Reps. That is lots of fun.

IOW I could have put this down really quickly by saying, I have never been truly inside but have been close to it and involved with it and also flitted around the edges. I know a lot of the people who are inside, I do work with them mostly on the outside and do not think anything I really think is probably nearly close to the real truth of what is happening. Or maybe it is? lol I will think about this, you are right it is important and it is way more than just Bernie. Bernie is a catalyst. He started the Bern and gave weight to what a lot of people had been afraid to say or were not heard when they said it. I will mull this around and see if I can come up with something.

HopeAgain

(4,407 posts)
25. I think Bernie is part of a much bigger change in attitude.
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 04:35 PM
Apr 2017

Many of the millennials who liked Bernie, or at least preferred Bernie, fully understand that he is not a Democrat and I think that is part of his appeal. I have a liberal son who believes our biggest problem in American politics is the two party system. A lot of people, especially young people are starting to believe that this system has become fundamentally broken.

Some of their Beliefs:

Nothing gets done for the people because of the two parties are only interested in thwarting the other and fighting over position, not policy.

Two parties take away the room for compromise or broader consensus that might exist if, like most other democracies, coalitions have to be forged, giving the smaller parties and positions a voice in the process.

The two party system does not tolerate a lack of uniformity in positions or the questioning of decisions by it's leaders. They point out that people have nowhere else to go have input into the process and don't like being expected to just march in line.


I don't agree to a breakup of the two party system, but I do listen and it is important we all listen and start thinking about this. Bernie made some people feel that there was an alternative that gave them a voice. Things got uglier during the primaries and Convention than I liked, but laying off Bernie, focusing on some more populist issues, and getting rid of the "establishment" perception might be a chance to unify liberals in a time that threatens both party's very existence.

Tom Rinaldo

(22,911 posts)
40. "I don't agree to a breakup of the two party system, but I do listen..."
Thu Apr 20, 2017, 09:23 AM
Apr 2017

Exactly. I don't support the breakup of the two party system either, at least not without some fundamental changes in how we vote such as the institution of an instant run off system. But we can disagree with people all we want on that - if they don't choose to vote for Democratic candidates come election time than Democrats lose. We have to listen to and engage with people who currently hold views like your son's friends. Bernie offers us a bridge to doing so.

 

lies

(315 posts)
27. Look, sanity!
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 04:39 PM
Apr 2017

What a perfectly reasonable position to take.

Almost like it was written by a rational adult.

I assume the OP will be banned soon.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
30. I don't have a problem with his status, either.
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 05:01 PM
Apr 2017

What I do have a problem with is when he makes crappy comments like, "I consider myself to be an Independent." By implication, he is saying there is a good reason to not belong to the Democratic Party.

What he should say, instead, if he cared about parsing things like that, is that he had to run as an Independent in Vermont and leave off the implied diss of Democrats.
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delisen

(6,042 posts)
32. Independents are a varied group. I think Sanders outreach is narrow.
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 05:06 PM
Apr 2017

The fear of losing white males is a fear based in reality, but I think the Democrats who are defining that loss as a main issue are wrong.

It is one issue, one group-and an outreach aimed primarily at that group is likely to cause others who have been dependably Democratic to stay home and not reach the other independents.

For example, few want to squarely face the loss of over 900 Democratic seats over the past eight years and prefer a narrow analysis of loss that may seem easier to address.



Tom Rinaldo

(22,911 posts)
33. A softening of support for Dems among younger voters would be a more far reaching problem
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 06:17 PM
Apr 2017

I believe Libertarians got more youth votes than the Greens did.

KPN

(15,635 posts)
47. Who's saying anything about "an outreach aimed primarily at that group"?
Thu Apr 20, 2017, 01:35 PM
Apr 2017

Communicating with that group more than has been done in the past does not equate to the Party's outreach being aimed at just one group>

Why does it have to be either/or, one or the other? Why can't it be all of the above? Why can't it be standing for social AND economic justice FOR ALL?

Response to Tom Rinaldo (Original post)

madokie

(51,076 posts)
41. Bernie can stay how ever the f he wants too
Thu Apr 20, 2017, 09:26 AM
Apr 2017

if he was to run again I'll vote for him no matter what party or not he belongs too

I agree with Bernie. He's the man to me

KPN

(15,635 posts)
44. Excellent post TR!
Thu Apr 20, 2017, 01:24 PM
Apr 2017

Thank you for taking the time to articulate this. I have had similar thoughts and experiences, but don't think I could have ever express them as well as you just did with this OP. I'm going to bookmark it!

I am also active in the party locally and have noticed a similar trend. Whereas the meeting room typically was made up of mostly older people, since last year I am seeing more and more young people -- people in their 20s and early 30s -- attending our County's Central Committee meetings. Some of them have actually become PCPs, and a couple of them are real spitfires in terms of organizing and getting people out to events. All of these people were Bernie supporters but are now interested in being active in our party. ... That is a great thing!

Tom Rinaldo

(22,911 posts)
49. I am reminded of the old proverb
Thu Apr 20, 2017, 01:48 PM
Apr 2017

"You can bring a horse to water but you can't make him drink."

There are lots of young people out there thirsty for social change, many without a clear sense of where and how to best find it, but they are out there searching - to their credit. For various reasons (some more fair than others) the Democratic Party hasn't always topped their list of where to look. Bernie led hem to our party, not the Greens, and said this is a good place to look. It is now the job of us Democrats to say to them you are welcome to drink here, we think it will suit your taste.

We don't have to of course, but that's like saying we don't have to win elections.

But the truth is it is happening, your experience, my experience, MuseRider's experience above, individual anecdotes about local Democratic Parties adding up to a very hopeful big picture.

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