45 Just Proved He's Got Dementia While Trying To Show Off For Italy's PM.

[KittyWampus]

45 started his White House press conference by reading from a prepared speech. He should have stayed on script.

“Through the ages, your country has been a beacon of artistic and scientific achievement,” Trump read aloud.

“From Venice to Florence, from Verdi to Pavarotti,” he continued before looking away from his script, and adding “friend of mine. Great friend of mine.”

Many in attendance, along with Prime Minister Paolo Gentiloni, certainly knew that Pavarotti is not Trump’s friend, as he has been dead for ten years.

Trump has dementia.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/national/trump-says-late-pavarotti-is-a-great-friend/2017/04/20/b603ec76-2610-11e7-928e-3624539060e8_video.html

[tblue37]

1. Nah, Trump and Pavarotti hang out with their old friend Frederick Douglass,

whose work is being more and more recognized these days.

[L. Coyote]

49. Pavarotti is singing at the wedding of Frederick Douglass and the lovely Susan B. Anthony.

We must roll on the floor and laugh at him, or we'll come up short on pitchforks, tar, and feathers.

Link to tweet

[nocalflea]

67. Rumor has it"this gentleman" is officiating and "Ron" will be the ringbearer .

[brush]

64. Hahahahahaha! Now that was funny.

[Thomas Hurt]

2. naw, you got to be fair with FF45

when he says he was a great friend.....that means they shook hands once.

when he says he doesn't know you at all.......that means he has known you for years and has laundered money for you.

[Ezior]

23. He was a great friend, so much so that Trump asked for his money back

Note this is from 2002.

A while ago, Donald Trump engaged Pavarotti for a concert at one of his Atlantic City casinos. He appeared, squawked a few Neapolitan songs, and left even the musically undemanding punters who had wandered in from the gaming tables so disgruntled that Trump demanded the return of his fee.

https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2002/may/19/artsfeatures.features

[elleng]

50. Thanks for the facts.

[LisaM]

76. Ha, good find!

Though it's refreshing to see that someone stiffed Trump for a change.

[rzemanfl]

27. I think you have it. n/t

[quakerboy]

36. Hey, they may not have shook hands

Seems just as likely that Trump had an assistant pirate some of his music to try and impress someone at a dinner party at some point in his life. Pretty sure in Trumpland, that qualifies as a great friendship.

[BannonsLiver]

3. He referred to George Steinbrenner in the present tense

Yesterday at the Patriots thing. It was bizarre.

[blueinredohio]

4. 45 has dementia

Agree he has dementia. Took care of my dad for years with it. I had to go everywhere with him because you never knew what he would do or say, that's why Ivanka is always with him. This is my first post.

[KittyWampus]

5. Welcome. And I agree that is why Ivanka is always with him. Also why he didn't want to live

in White House and goes to Maralargo so often.

[NBachers]

6. Welcome!

[Lint Head]

7. Welcome to DU

[gratuitous]

11. Welcome to DU

[mahina]

16. Welcome to DU!

Sorry about your Dad.

Aloha~

[panader0]

22. Welcome to DU.

I also took care of my dementia dad. What an adventure.

[mercuryblues]

32. welcome to DU

[SledDriver]

42. Welcome to DU

[secondwind]

54. Welcome to DU! You will love it here!

[brush]

65. I think you're spot on. Ivanka does it because his wife doesn't want to be with him.

Both are becoming more and more obvious.

They won't be able to hide it forever.

25 Amendment, anyone?

[FrodosNewPet]

69. Welcome to DU

Much respect for the challenges you faced caring for your dad. My grandmother deteriorated from dementia throughout the 90s.. It takes a lot of love and patience.

[moonscape]

70. I also took care of my mom for years, and what

I see from T isn't dementia, but what he has always had: inattention to details, lack of curiosity, low information, compulsive lying, self-absorption and the list goes on.

He was always like this. Those who knew him decades ago say the same thing.

I think Ivanka is always with him (also Jared) because they know these things about him - that he shoots off with no information.

He's a failed businessman. There's a reason he couldn't even sell water.

[StubbornThings]

71. This makes the most sense to me.

He's always been a failing conman that was never smart and never worked hard at anything. I see him as a rich kid that never grew up.

[VOX]

75. All true. But there does seem to be some cognitive impairment...

I agree that he's always been this way, but as he's aged, his incapacity to self-edit or control impulsive behavior is becoming more apparent.

Most telling was the recent "chocolate cake" interview, where #45's lines of meandering thought definitely appeared bizarre.

[LuckyLib]

77. Absolutely every sentence prompts him to divert to "something about me!"

"Me, me, and me!"

It's disgusting and embarrassing. The folks in the audience as well as his WH minions must cringe non-stop at such drivel. So inappropriate.

[moonscape]

82. Bravado aside, he must be suffering from far more

stress and overwhelm than we can imagine. Extreme stress can do that to a brain also, particularly a brain as already-sketchy as his is.

[Historic NY]

79. He needs minders....

and meds.

[Stinky The Clown]

8. In fairness, that could have been a tense issue not a factual issue.

Pavarotti was a luminary and spent a good bit of time in NYC. It is conceivable he and Trump knew each other. It is conceivable, then, that they may have been friends. Or it could have all been bullshit; I have no clue. In either case. Trump may have meant Pavarotti WAS a friend of mine but said IS in error. That is not an uncommon mistake.

None of this says dementia.

[global1]

13. Perhaps Instead Maybe Trump Was Referring To Verdi.....nt

[Denverchick]

26. I thought he said "friend of mine, great friend of mine." No tense.

So maybe they were acquaintances and he can claim they were BFFs because Pavarotti is deceased. Not disputing that he's demented or insane but I don't think this was dementia.

[Stonepounder]

30. Yeah,

and we bombed Iraq, Fredrick Douglas is still alive, as is George Steinbrenner. He 'forgot' to put his hand over his heart during the National Anthem, referred to three generations of North Korea dictators as 'that gentleman' seeming to believe they were all one person, and repeatedly referred to Paul Ryan as "Ron" at a campaign rally.

[Denverchick]

43. But in this clip he didn't do anything too insane. Doesn't mean he hasn't a million times before. nt

[Stonepounder]

66. Very true.

But taken in the context of everything else it is very suggestive that it was another 'thing' rather than just a mistake. God knows that at my age, 'brain farts' are not all that uncommon. (Or, as my dad used to say, 'the file drawers seem to be sticking more often'.) But, I can still discuss civics, foreign policy, American History, a how our government works, much better than 45.

[Eyeball_Kid]

61. You got a point, but in a wider context,

Trumpy makes this kind of error often. Most of it is also a reflection of his delusions of grandiosity. Most of these errors are couched in an overestimation of his influence, power, or popularity. When in this mode of communication, Trumpy is a very sloppy thinker. And whether he's got a form of dementia or he doesn't, his sloppy thinking has no place in his position. He's just as dangerous without dementia.

When you begin with "In fairness", I think, jeez, what is fair about this horror clown running the country?

[MyOwnPeace]

63. "in fairness"..............

You got THAT right!

With this gang, you say "fair" - they think "hair" and compliment him on it.

The other word - they have no clue................

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

9. Pavarotti's widow also told Trump's campaign to stop using his recording

of Nessun dorma at campaign events:

In a letter from Pavarotti's widow and his three daughters the family told the Trump campaign that, "the values of brotherhood and solidarity that Luciano Pavarotti upheld throughout his artistic career are incompatible with the world vision of the candidate Donald Trump."

There are other reasons to doubt the supposed friendship between Pavarotti and Trump. One account from a 2002 report in the Guardian claims that Pavarotti once gave such a lackluster performance at one of Trump's Atlantic City casinos that Trump demanded Pavarotti return his fee for the event.

So even if Pavarotti weren't dead, it would appear that he and Trump were never friends.

https://mic.com/articles/174859/trump-called-pavarotti-a-good-friend-pavarottis-widow-sang-a-different-tune#.qyS3AZyo9

[malaise]

58. Ding ding we have the winner

The Con is a fugging lunatic

[exboyfil]

10. Need to interview widow

Here is an article from the campaign where she complained about using Pavarotti's aria.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/pavarotti-widow-tells-trump-stop-using-nessun-dorma-campaign-n614721

[Motley13]

12. I love women, Susan B Anthony is doing a great job.

I saw the PM give a smile & write sth, probably "this guy is a total moron"

[rocktivity]

14. That doesn't prove dementia -- they probably did cross paths before he died

which Duh Donald would naturally spin into a "great friendship." Besides, it's equally possible that Trump was referring to Verdi...


rocktivity

[KittyWampus]

15. should I change the thread title or delete?

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

18. No, they never were friends. See #9.

[unblock]

21. leave it. it might not prove he's got dementia, but if not it proves he exaggerates and/or lies.

[rocktivity]

24. Not at all -- you could be right

Does President Ronald Reagan ring a bell?


rocktivity

[tavalon]

34. Not that my opinion carries any more weight than anyone's

But why change it when you are almost certainly on the money?

[unblock]

20. haha! actually, right, my guess is donnie met pavarotti once and is simply exaggerating/lying

by calling him a "friend".

[L. Coyote]

68. He sang at the casino and Trump was not satisfied, wasn't going to pay him.

But Freddie and Susan stepped in and trump relented, but he said "tu piu non torni."

[Freethinker65]

17. Dementia. Almost makes me feel sorry for him

Almost. My Dad died after suffering with dementia but he knew his limits and our family would never have let him cause harm to anyone, including himself. It is obvious he keeps his family close and prefers familiar surroundings and people. It should never have gotten this far. To use Trump's words: "Sad." And frightening that no one in power is willing to put the country first.

[underthematrix]

19. No. It's dementia or Alzheimer's which his father

developed in his seventies and later died from.

Trump used the PRESENT TENSE. He should've used "was"

He's done this before and the MSM has the vid to prove it.

[loyalsister]

57. No it's not

It's about living in a bubble and having zero interest in anything that isn't about him. I was with my sister visiting some cousins. She asked how their son was. He had died 3 yrs. earlier. She did it again a yr. later. There's a level of self absorbtion that people live in where they have so little interest in other people and what happens to them that it flies over their head.

[Eyeball_Kid]

62. I made a comment upthread that might be a better response to your comment...

...but it makes no difference, IMO, whether or not Trumpy has dementia. He's just as much of a horror clown without dementia.

[kimbutgar]

25. Venice and Florence are only an two hours apart by train.

Whoever wrote that speech didn't look at a map of Italy.

[GoCubsGo]

28. Dementia. Alzheimer's. Latent syphilis. Plain stupid.

I have no idea what is his problem, but it's blatantly obvious that he ain't right in the head.

[Useless in FL]

29. Latent syphillis....

LOL!!!

[GoCubsGo]

33. I'm actually serious.

Untreated syphilis turns the brain into a big, hole-riddled mess. It produces symptoms similar to dementia and other such diseases.

[Volstagg]

31. Never thought I'd think this

but this seems like the least of his problems.

[zentrum]

35. Nah. This is

...just Queen's (as in the borough) style. Kind of wise-guy. Side comments that meta-communicate "we're all just guys heah".

Besides, don't be so sure that Pavarotti and 45 haven't met. At the Met. In New York, where 45 was based. It's entirely possible. 45 was only 60 ten years old, when Pavarotti died. They could have crossed paths at many gala events, fancy dinners.

Not defending 45, God forbid. But all he has to do was go back stage one time into the VIP lounge that exists there, talked ten minutes, and they're "great friends" in the eyes of the groper.

But bragging is not the same as dementia. Let's plan accordingly.

[Grammy23]

37. Dementia of any kind is a cruel disease and has no respect or pity based on your Station in life.

It can come on slowly and gradually and get worse over years or can hit with a fury that leaves you struggling for life and purpose in a matter of months. I saw both versions: first with my mother who had a long, gradual decline. She never quite forgot who I was but sometimes was clearly confused by many ordinary events in the end. Early in she fought the symptoms and hated her memory loss. Later she was quite docile and accepting of it.

My brother-in-law, who was quite brilliant and had a truly gentle, kind spirit had a rapid onset of symptoms and died in a matter of months (March to June). Early on he was extremely agitated and angry. He constantly repeated numbers and said little else. Later he was more controlled and quiet with no signs of anger or irritability. He was an expert in death and dying and had written his wishes long before he got sick. He refused food and nutrition (except to take the medication that kept him calm) and lived far longer than anyone expected. He donated his body to University of North Carolina for medical research.

tRump may very well be suffering from some form of dementia and keeping it hidden will be futile. He enjoys the spotlight far too much. Each time he goes to a microphone he runs the risk that he will say something that gives him away. I notice that lately he is scripted quite a lot. When he goes off script is when he tends to make errors, such as saying he IS great friends with some long dead person. People are starting to notice tRump's mistakes and will be keeping track. If he is declining, fast or slow, someone is always watching and trying to keep it a well guarded secret is a fool's errand.

[lapucelle]

38. Actually there is a Trump-Pavorotti connection,

and I was there to witness it

http://www.independent.ie/world-news/pavarotti-to-sing-free-after-trump-fiasco-26104908.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/02/11/nyregion/music-review-at-casino-pavarotti-comes-back.html

I was at both concerts.

[Charles Bukowski]

39. Watch a few vids of Gump from 5-10 years ago.

Whether he has dementia or not, it's blatantly obvious his mind has deteriorated severely since then.

[Ilsa]

40. We need reasonably complete reports of health

assessed by objective doctors on candidates. Hillary needs levothyroxin like many older women. Trump is probably on one or more nedications to halt the progression of dementia. I'd like to see what is in his medicine cabinet. Namenda? Aricept?

[Ohio Dem]

41. Could be dementia. Could be exaggeration.

Could be he's just fuckin' lying.

[pansypoo53219]

44. turnip LOVEs name dropping. more attention whoring.

[subterranean]

52. That seems to me the most likely explanation.

He always finds a way to make everything about himself.

[PatrickforO]

45. Hey, Frederick Douglass is doing a GREAT JOB.

He for sure has dementia.

[ananda]

46. Or 45 is just an idiot and didn't know Pavarotti was dead.

Maybe both dementia and general ignorance.

[oberliner]

47. This is another BS non-story

Trump has called Pavarotti a friend many times over the years.

Here's an example from 2001:

After the November concert, there were reports that Mr. Pavarotti agreed to return to the casino only after Mr. Trump demanded his money back. Mr. Trump, who did not attend the second concert, said in a telephone interview: ''That's totally false. He went backstage and apologized to everybody. He wasn't satisfied and wanted to come back. He had the flu. Luciano is a great friend. I don't get angry at my friends.''

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/02/11/nyregion/music-review-at-casino-pavarotti-comes-back.html

[kcr]

72. What is BS about it? Pavarotti is dead. n/t

[oberliner]

73. He didn't say otherwise

No reason why the comment could not have been him reflecting on the fact that they had been great friends.

[yallerdawg]

48. Dementia or demented?

Speaking of 'repeal and replace' next week:

“The plan gets better and better and better, and it has gotten really, really good.”

That's all I need to know about it!

[dalton99a]

51. He forgot to mention he used to golf with Verdi

[Panich52]

53. His great friend's widow demanded Trump stop using

Pavarotti's music during his campaign because her husband wouldn't have liked poor values Trump was pushing.

[hatrack]

55. "Verdi" - rhymes with "flirty", right, Don?

He's waiting for the eagerly anticipated American Songbook album featuring duets with Luciano Pavarotti and Frederick Douglas.

[Glimmer of Hope]

56. He likes to boast that he is great friends with celebrities whether living or dead in his

demented little mind.

[Cha]

59. he's a sociopathic, pathological liar.. that's for sure.

[Thor_MN]

60. Ain't no amount of Febreze gonna help when he starts pissing in the Lincoln Bedroom closet

Get rid of him...

[Justice]

74. Cognitive disfunction? Definitely inexperience/lack of knowledge

From NPR interview on Trump - words of Maggie Haberman of NYT
http://www.npr.org/2017/04/20/524873266/journalist-describes-the-loneliness-and-leakiness-of-trumps-white-house

Maggie commented on how Trump's way of talking has changed over the years: "His vocabulary was more specific. When he was in an area that he actually knew and understood and had some sort of emotional and intellectual connection to, he was more at ease, and it was reflected in how he would talk. Even now, frankly, when you get him talking about business or you get him talking about real estate, he speaks with much more fluidity than on almost anything else that he's involved with as president."


Now Trump speaks in pronouns and makes more generic statements about things being great or good or going very very well or very very bad, terrible etc. Never in specifics. He has trouble with names and specific details.

He repeats stories over and over.

[Historic NY]

78. A Repulsed Pavarotti Family Busts Trump For Lying About Friendship With Deceased Tenor

http://www.politicususa.com/2017/04/21/repulsed-pavarotti-family-busts-trump-lying-friendship-deceased-tenor.html

[Historic NY]

80. Jimmy Kimmel Asked Pavarottis Ghost if He's Really Trump's 'Great Friend'

[kwassa]

81. HE DOES NOT HAVE DEMENTIA. HE HAS ALWAYS BEEN THIS WAY.

Narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) is a personality disorder in which there is a long-term pattern of abnormal behavior characterized by exaggerated feelings of self-importance, an excessive need for admiration, and a lack of understanding of others' feelings.[2][3] People affected by it often spend a lot of time thinking about achieving power or success, or about their appearance. They often take advantage of the people around them. The behavior typically begins by early adulthood, and occurs across a variety of situations.[3]

>>>>>>>>>>>


According to the DSM-5, individuals with NPD have most or all of the following symptoms, typically without commensurate qualities or accomplishments:[7][10]

Grandiosity with expectations of superior treatment from others
Fixated on fantasies of power, success, intelligence, attractiveness, etc.
Self-perception of being unique, superior and associated with high-status people and institutions
Needing constant admiration from others
Sense of entitlement to special treatment and to obedience from others
Exploitative of others to achieve personal gain
Unwilling to empathize with others' feelings, wishes, or needs
Intensely envious of others and the belief that others are equally envious of them
Pompous and arrogant demeanor

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder