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Fri Apr 21, 2017, 03:32 PM

 

If you are not intersectional, you are not a progressive. Period. End of discussion. Card revoked.

I don't care if you enact a 100% tax on incomes over a million and bust up every Wall Street bank and enact a 30k a year guaranteed income. If you do not vociferously support civil rights for the marginalized, the literal fucking damnes de la terre, you are not a progressive, socialist, leftist, liberal, or anything but a welfare chauvinist.

You want a purity test? Here's your fucking purity test.

When it comes to winning elections in certain districts, it's okay to not be a progressive. But if you do not fight for the marginalized on every issue, don't fucking call yourself a progressive.

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Reply If you are not intersectional, you are not a progressive. Period. End of discussion. Card revoked. (Original post)
forjusticethunders Apr 2017 OP
NurseJackie Apr 2017 #1
JHan Apr 2017 #2
iluvtennis Apr 2017 #8
Left-over Apr 2017 #10
MineralMan Apr 2017 #3
safeinOhio Apr 2017 #4
Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #5
NCTraveler Apr 2017 #6
Maven Apr 2017 #7
Saviolo Apr 2017 #9
TheKingofSoup Apr 2017 #11
Enoki33 Apr 2017 #14
PoindexterOglethorpe Apr 2017 #12
milestogo Apr 2017 #13
LAS14 Apr 2017 #24
RedWedge Apr 2017 #25
Cryptoad Apr 2017 #15
trc Apr 2017 #27
Qutzupalotl Apr 2017 #43
MGKrebs Apr 2017 #16
KPN Apr 2017 #17
forjusticethunders Apr 2017 #32
YOHABLO Apr 2017 #18
Cha Apr 2017 #39
alfredo Apr 2017 #19
Post removed Apr 2017 #20
Gman Apr 2017 #23
emulatorloo Apr 2017 #31
QC Apr 2017 #21
Gman Apr 2017 #22
ehrnst Apr 2017 #26
ehrnst Apr 2017 #28
Charles Bukowski Apr 2017 #29
FairWinds Apr 2017 #30
JHan Apr 2017 #33
FairWinds Apr 2017 #42
JHan Apr 2017 #44
MGKrebs Apr 2017 #34
LexVegas Apr 2017 #35
Quayblue Apr 2017 #36
oberliner Apr 2017 #37
Cha Apr 2017 #38
JCanete Apr 2017 #40
forjusticethunders Apr 2017 #41
JCanete Apr 2017 #45

Response to forjusticethunders (Original post)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 03:36 PM

1. Thank you!






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Response to forjusticethunders (Original post)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 03:41 PM

2. preach it.

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Response to JHan (Reply #2)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 04:48 PM

8. +++ agree ( and Billy Dee too) nt

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Response to JHan (Reply #2)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 04:55 PM

10. Preaching to the choir!

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Response to forjusticethunders (Original post)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 03:47 PM

3. Say it loud!

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Response to forjusticethunders (Original post)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 04:00 PM

4. But, but, but....,

banks are people too.....save the banks



Fuck the banks

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Response to forjusticethunders (Original post)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 04:15 PM

5. Thanks....can you hear us Unity crew?

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Response to forjusticethunders (Original post)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 04:21 PM

6. Well said. nt.

 

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Response to forjusticethunders (Original post)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 04:21 PM

7. Hell yes.

I wish I could rec this a thousand times.

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Response to forjusticethunders (Original post)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 04:50 PM

9. I regret that I have but one +rec to give.

In these times of Trump, it's imperative that those marginalized communities, particularly women, the poor, POC, LGBTQ, refugees, and immigrants, are supported by everyone who calls themselves "Ally." Listen to them, support them, speak with them (not for them), and try to understand the struggles.

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Response to forjusticethunders (Original post)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 05:01 PM

11. Okay.

 

If I don't call myself a progressive, and just work for justice and equality as I see it, can I opt out of the purity tests and we can all just get on with trying to build a better society, with some of us working on some things and others on other things, without the stridency and useless drama?

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Response to TheKingofSoup (Reply #11)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 05:07 PM

14. We need all the help we can get. Thanks.

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Response to forjusticethunders (Original post)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 05:05 PM

12. Intersectional?

I'm not sure I've seen that term before.

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Response to PoindexterOglethorpe (Reply #12)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 05:06 PM

13. Intersexual, maybe?

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Response to PoindexterOglethorpe (Reply #12)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 05:53 PM

24. I found it a bit obscure myself.

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Response to PoindexterOglethorpe (Reply #12)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 05:58 PM

25. It's the understanding that inequality happens in multiple dimensions.

Different social identities -- race, class, gender, etc. -- overlap and are targeted differently in systemic oppression. Feminism must understand that the challenges white women face can be different, in general, than those black women face; rich women are oppressed differently than poor women.

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Response to forjusticethunders (Original post)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 05:28 PM

15. As many difinitions for a "Progressive",,,

as there are DU users.........

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Response to Cryptoad (Reply #15)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 06:16 PM

27. But.

If you actively work to allow the government to interfere in the reproductive choices of women, and only women, then you are not, and can not be, progressive. Civil rights for all, or civil rights for none...kinda central to being a progressive.

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Response to Cryptoad (Reply #15)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 10:24 AM

43. The important thing is that we all say "period, end of discussion."


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Response to forjusticethunders (Original post)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 05:32 PM

16. This mirrors what is happening to the GOP.

They've got two blocks, one of which will accept nothing but purity.

Maybe we end up with 4 "major" parties at some point (or 5 or 6 or 7, depending on who you include).

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Response to forjusticethunders (Original post)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 05:32 PM

17. That's a good way to put it -- intersectional.

Can't argue with that one iota, and won't.

I'm not sure we all really feel that way though. Just saying.

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Response to KPN (Reply #17)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 06:58 PM

32. I know

 

There are a lot of "leftists" who would embrace Trump/etc today if they declared war on the banks or promised to go back to 93% top taxes.

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Response to forjusticethunders (Original post)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 05:44 PM

18. We are an Oligarchical Capitalistic country on steroids at this point in time.

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Response to YOHABLO (Reply #18)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 02:56 AM

39. So?

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Response to Post removed (Reply #20)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 05:53 PM

23. Complete nonsense. I see they haven't quit even though

The election was months ago.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #20)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 06:45 PM

31. Sounds like you've jumped to conclusions that have nothing to do with the OP

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Response to forjusticethunders (Original post)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 05:49 PM

21. Does class fit into your sense of intersectionalism? n/t

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Response to forjusticethunders (Original post)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 05:52 PM

22. I don't care about being a progressive

In fact I shun being labeled as such. I'm a Democrat. There is nothing great about a label like progressive. Besides, I hate purity tests.

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Response to Gman (Reply #22)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 06:16 PM

26. The term has been the subject of some debate.

The purity tests that our "Unity Tour" guest demand don't include intersectionalism.

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Response to forjusticethunders (Original post)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 06:16 PM

28. Preach! (nt)

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Response to forjusticethunders (Original post)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 06:19 PM

29. Progress equals forward or onward movement.

 


No matter how pure you think your ideals are, if your "conscience voting" helps paves the road regressive (or extreme regressive in the case of Trump) triumph, your actions are ANTI-PROGRESSIVE. End of.

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Response to forjusticethunders (Original post)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 06:36 PM

30. I was fortunate enough a few months ago . .

 

to have dinner with Ms. Crenshaw, who is credited with

coining the term "intersectional"

She was charming and brilliant, not to mention persuasive, but

over several hours she never once mentioned the purity test part.

Who the hell are you "ForJustice . ." again?

Try building progressive unity with rational arguments and evidence

and an attempt to accept ideas that might be a bit different from yours . .

not intimidation.

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Response to FairWinds (Reply #30)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 07:09 PM

33. We need to make rational arguments on this board about the need to fight for vulnerable groups.?

for the disadvantaged and the marginalized on this board?

This needs to be aired on this board? And you say this after sharing your experience chatting with her?

The OP has context.

It is a response to those who believe that economic justice and economic justice alone is important and social justice issues aren't as important. It's a response to those who deride social justice efforts as "identity politics" and a burden on leftist causes, as if an increase in the minimum wage and jailing bankers are magical societal fixes.

It's a response to social justice issues referred to as "wedge issues", social justice issues like women's reproductive rights and battling attempts to implement oppressive anti-abortion legislation.

So why the confusion?

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Response to JHan (Reply #33)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 09:56 AM

42. So like the OP you are gonna build the progressive movement . .

 

with name calling, insults and purity tests . .

Sure, no need for rationality or evidence.

Good luck with that.

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Response to FairWinds (Reply #42)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 12:20 PM

44. what "rationality" and "evidence" are you asking for in this context?

I am not in favor of purity tests, just broad agreement on where we move forward.

I repeat this post has context.

The OP is saying that if ever there needs to be a purity test for progressivism it should include the concerns of LGBT, Women, Minorities and economic concerns should not take higher priority. I know you cannot possibly be suggesting that progressivism should not include marginalized groups.

The OP uses strong language but that's what he's saying - that progressivism must include those voices else it is not progressivism.

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Response to forjusticethunders (Original post)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 07:57 PM

34. Being "progressive" is like being "pacifist".

It's an ideology. It transcends politics or political parties. "Progressives" are not identical to "Democrats". It would be a mistake to imply fault to Democrats for trying to win elections, because that is their purpose, but that is still the best path to achieving progressive goals, even if not perfectly.

Progressive ideology essentially exists in a vacuum, unchanged by circumstances or current events. Democrats work in the dirty world of getting things done. Dems can be more progressive or less progressive, and progressives can be Dem or not. This site is "democraticunderground", so you are going to run into Democrats here.

Progressive purity is more likely to thrive in places like the ACLU, Planned Parenthood, or Greenpeace... organizations who pursue ideological objectives rather than electoral ones. Even so, "progressive" can be a pretty broad concept, so everybody at Greenpeace may not necessarily overlap with everybody at Planned Parenthood. Unless there is a Progressive Party, there is no purity test that any other party will meet.

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Response to forjusticethunders (Original post)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 08:00 PM

35. Rec. Rec. Rec. nt

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Response to forjusticethunders (Original post)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 08:24 PM

36. K&R

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Response to forjusticethunders (Original post)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 08:55 PM

37. Does Bernie Sanders make the cut?

 

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Response to forjusticethunders (Original post)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 02:42 AM

38. Teach it Brother!

I love you!Shine the Light!

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Response to forjusticethunders (Original post)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 02:57 AM

40. okay, but are you saying Mello isn't a progressive, or Sanders? nt

 

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Response to JCanete (Reply #40)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 09:45 AM

41. I was more aimed at people in general, not specific politicians

 

But it's interesting that those two names come up when I talk about "non-intersectional so-called progressives".

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Response to forjusticethunders (Reply #41)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 02:10 PM

45. um, it's not that interesting. This is hardly Freudian. We know what story has been circulating here

 

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