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riversedge

(70,187 posts)
Fri Apr 21, 2017, 07:07 PM Apr 2017

Democrats to Trump: You dont have the leverage. We do.

It really seems like a game of chicken to me. Who blinks first.

Just hoping the Dems hold strong.


Democrats to Trump: You don’t have the leverage. We do.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2017/04/21/democrats-to-trump-you-dont-have-the-leverage-we-do/?tid=pm_opinions_pop&utm_term=.2abac752facb

By Greg Sargent April 21 at 10:17 AM



Senior House Democrats held a conference call on Thursday night with members of the Democratic caucus, and according to a Dem aide, one of the key conclusions reached on the call was this: In the battles over Obamacare, Trump’s border wall, and funding the government, Democrats — not the White House — must behave as the ones with the leverage.



.......Now, it remains to be seen whether Democrats will hold as firm as their current posture suggests. It also remains to be seen what Democrats will get out of these negotiations. But it looks likely that Republicans will need Democratic votes to pass a government funding bill, both in the Senate (where Republicans only hold 52 seats and will need to break a Dem filibuster) and in the House (where conservatives may bolt, leaving Republicans short of a majority on their own). Democrats want Republicans to drop the White House demand for funding for the border wall and increased deportations, and they also want Republicans to fund the “cost sharing reductions” (CSRs) that subsidize low out-of-pocket costs for lower-income people, to prevent insurers from fleeing the individual markets, which could leave at least 10 million uncovered.




The White House position is that the need to fund the CSRs gives Trump leverage to demand funding for the wall and a deportation force. But why should Democrats give Republicans anything in exchange for funding the CSRs, when Republicans are currently trying to inflict far more damage on the Affordable Care Act than not funding the CSRs would?

Absurdly enough, even as the White House is demanding concessions in exchange for not sabotaging the ACA, it is also pushing Congress to vote on a new version of the GOP repeal-and-replace bill that would be even more regressive and destructive than the last one was. Trump would likely take the blame for the chaos and loss of coverage that killing funding for the CSRs would unleash. Why should Dems bail him out of that problem — and allow Republicans to wield the CSRs as leverage against them — as long as the drive to roll back coverage for far more people continues? This should — and likely will — increase the resolve of Dems to dig in harder.

Tellingly, multiple reports indicate that the White House is demanding a rushed vote on the new repeal-and-replace bill because aides are desperate to showcase something, anything, as a legislative achievement in time for the 100-day mark. So you’d think the last thing the White House can tolerate is a government shutdown on Trump’s watch at precisely that moment, which would further reinforce the image that Trump and Republicans are making an enormous mess of governing. And so, in the government funding fight, Democrats should see the looming 100-day milestone as something that also gives them increased leverage. Judging by last night’s Democratic conference call, they are aware of this.

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Democrats to Trump: You dont have the leverage. We do. (Original Post) riversedge Apr 2017 OP
KinderGarten Recess is about to begin kiddies. Wellstone ruled Apr 2017 #1
Love that term "Circle of Stupid". nt iluvtennis Apr 2017 #6
Dumbass Trump gratuitous Apr 2017 #2
+1000. Not our circus, not our monkeys. bronxiteforever Apr 2017 #3
And certainly NOT our monkey-poo! lastlib Apr 2017 #11
this sheshe2 Apr 2017 #18
Latest poll I could find shows popular opposition to building the wall (not quite 2:1) JudyM Apr 2017 #4
Kick & recommended. William769 Apr 2017 #5
That is thanks to us!! We did that!! 58Sunliner Apr 2017 #7
Especially given the "Hastert rule" that Republicans enforce in the house, refusing to bring to Akamai Apr 2017 #8
Hastart the pervert has a rule? we can do it Apr 2017 #14
the Hastert rule says that the only way a majority leader in the house (of the Republican Party) Akamai Apr 2017 #16
Donnie the bastard President needs Democratic votes to pass things. Dawson Leery Apr 2017 #9
Yeah, the CSR thing is dumb Bradical79 Apr 2017 #10
Yeah, but will Dems hold steady? I'm not the only one who has seen Dems act as invertebrates. vkkv Apr 2017 #12
yes you are right....n/t bluecollar2 Apr 2017 #13
Go Dems! mcar Apr 2017 #15
Hang tough, Dems! mountain grammy Apr 2017 #17
 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
1. KinderGarten Recess is about to begin kiddies.
Fri Apr 21, 2017, 07:14 PM
Apr 2017

With the Retired President given speeches next week and this going on,Trump and his Circle of Stupid are going to have a bad week.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
2. Dumbass Trump
Fri Apr 21, 2017, 07:18 PM
Apr 2017

What's he offering to the Democrats? "Betray your party and your voters and give me a win that I can parade around and rub your collective nose in." Wow, where do we sign up for that?

I believe we prefer to stand back, let you fall on your face, and then laugh at your blubbering incompetence.

 

Akamai

(1,779 posts)
8. Especially given the "Hastert rule" that Republicans enforce in the house, refusing to bring to
Fri Apr 21, 2017, 08:59 PM
Apr 2017

the floor any issue that is not supported by a majority of the Republicans--and the Democrats don't count at all.

To keep the lights on, almost certainly the Republican house is going To seek Democratic votes once again. Democrats of the Congress are the true adults and Republicans are so vicious they can even agree with each other.

 

Akamai

(1,779 posts)
16. the Hastert rule says that the only way a majority leader in the house (of the Republican Party)
Sat Apr 22, 2017, 04:12 PM
Apr 2017

can bring an issue to the floor of the house is if that leader has majority of the Republicans behind him. That means that what the Democrats think does not matter at all. That exerts absolute control of the majority over the house.

this certainly makes them very rigid in terms of popular items to consider,, such as the proposed changes to the immigration act which been or would not admit to the floor.

Dawson Leery

(19,348 posts)
9. Donnie the bastard President needs Democratic votes to pass things.
Fri Apr 21, 2017, 09:06 PM
Apr 2017

The Freedom Caucus is not going to help him.

 

Bradical79

(4,490 posts)
10. Yeah, the CSR thing is dumb
Fri Apr 21, 2017, 09:10 PM
Apr 2017

Threats on one part of the ACA don't mean a damn thing when the president wants to dismantle the whole thing ASAP.

 

vkkv

(3,384 posts)
12. Yeah, but will Dems hold steady? I'm not the only one who has seen Dems act as invertebrates.
Fri Apr 21, 2017, 09:47 PM
Apr 2017

Example::

"Impeaching George W. Bush is off the table"

or

'My constituents are afraid of the 911 terrorist attacks, so okay, we'll let GWB invade an unrelated nation.. for their oil.. Dick and Rummy says it will only take a couple of weeks.'

or

'Tax cuts for the wealthy? Sure, why not.'

AM I RIGHT?




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