Joy Reid gets it

[LexVegas]

Link to tweet

[Dawson Leery]

1. kick

[NurseJackie]

2. Thank you, Joy Reid!

[NurseJackie]

96. ...

[amuse bouche]

95. "Really?"

That's your first post? Enjoy your stay

[Cooley Hurd]

3. Alerted - stop fighting the primary

[R B Garr]

4. Happily overruled. This is current news about a current

stance that he took. Joy Reid is discussing Bernie's conflicting role and views based on *current* events, i.e. Unity tour, endorsing controversial pro-life candidates, labeling progressives, etc.

[Cooley Hurd]

5. Not yet...

[R B Garr]

6. Current news is current news.

[underthematrix]

83. I'm so glad the alert was overruled

This is not about primary Bernie. This is about Bernie's actions in the context of his political and social past. it's fair game for all other politicians. We should not make exceptions for Bernie.

[Me.]

100. How Can/Do You Tell?

[sheshe2]

7. and again... just now.

[Cooley Hurd]

10. ...and again, breaking the admin's rules

Skinner explicitly said Bernie is a Dem. Go to AtA...

[R B Garr]

14. Joy Reid has a popular show about current news.

Current news. Based on current events.

[Cooley Hurd]

18. She does, and doesn't suffer hillarians....

Sorry you missed that, Sparky.

[R B Garr]

21. You obviously missed some current news. Did you see

her show this morning?

[pnwmom]

29. Why are you insulting Democrats who supported Hillary with that slur? n/t

[SunSeeker]

50. Calling Hillary supporters "hillarians" is offensive and re-fights the primary.

Ironic that you would do that while complaining about refighting the primary.

[Hekate]

59. Sparky? Hillarians?

My my my.

[ehrnst]

80. Hillarians? Is that like "Darwinists?"

Talk about continuing to fight the primary...

I think Bernie will survive some criticism of his lack of concern for "identity politics" which he has lives and reproductive health of women, as well as LGBTQ and people of color.

He has done so for years, hasn't he?

[Cha]

106. All you have are insults.. "sparky"? better look in

the mirror, cooley.

[Hekate]

58. Take your own advice and Ask the Admins

Ta

[ehrnst]

77. Still here. I guess the admins are ok with it. (nt)

[Chicago1980]

91. So What!

Bernie himself recently said he wasn't a Dem.

So who's correct, the admin of the person stating the position about themselves?

[nikibatts]

8. Stop using "fighting the primary" as a reason to cut off legitimate debate with differing opinions.

[Cooley Hurd]

9. Stop bashing Bernie and we'll talk...

[R B Garr]

11. Current news is current news. Joy has a very popular

show.

[R B Garr]

15. You obviously didn't read her tweet.

[Cooley Hurd]

16. I did, and interpreted differently

...than you, Sparky.

[R B Garr]

19. Maybe you've missed some current news cycles, then.

That's the only explanation for your confusion.

[LexVegas]

22. It is rather clear what Joy was responding to.

[R B Garr]

31. Yes, it is perfectly clear what Joy is saying.

Thanks for the link.

[Cha]

108. "Sparky".. is that all ya got, cooley?

[murielm99]

17. The people who support our nominee,

the candidate who won the primaries and the popular vote are Hillarians? How interesting.

Sorry, but I am a DEMOCRAT. Actually, I am not sorry. I am proud.

[Cha]

137. When they have to resort to insults.. they know they've

lost.

Muriel

[uponit7771]

32. stating facts is NOT bashing, Joy is 100% accurate

[Hekate]

60. His current behavior is current news and is not immune to criticism

Really

[NurseJackie]

68. Nobody can defend the indefensible, so they deflect instead. Sad.

[Gothmog]

67. This was for the current news cycle

There was a segment on AMJOY this morning on the unity tour

[ehrnst]

76. Bashing him with his own words? (nt)

[Cha]

105. Calling out BS for what he does and his own words is NOT

"bashing". You're going to have to learn the difference.

[Cha]

111. No.. you have to get it straight.. why are you trying to Deflect?

Can't you handle what Joy said?

[NurseJackie]

30. Amen!

[all american girl]

85. ...

[pnwmom]

27. Bernie is an active politician who is now endorsing an anti-abortion candidate. This isn't about

fighting the primary.

It's about fighting for women's rights -- for the right to self-determination.

[Justice]

90. I am fine with Bernie supporting a candidate in a red state who is anti-abortion, BUT NOT OK with

Bernie's slams on Democrats, saying he is not a Dem (like there is something wrong with it) and his statements about the Dems needing to adopt his principles.

[Hortensis]

42. This is NOT the primary. Sanders wants to take

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over the Democratic Party and restyle it to suit his ideology. Now it turns out that includes shrugging about religious factions' attempts to exclude abortion from insurance coverage; and requiring women to spread their legs for legally mandated, NOT medically necessary, ultrasounds probe is apparently also acceptable.

Absolutely this is DU discussion material! Btw, half or more of all Democrats are women. That includes me, and I really do get to have an opinion about the current topic and whether the Democratic Party "revolution" is going to go soft on opposing the religious right's efforts to cancel women's right to choose, including not just abortion but birth control.

[Hekate]

62. Bingo

Thanks

[Lil Missy]

46. Current news is not the Primary. Bernie doesn't get a blank check for life.

[shenmue]

84. True

[Cha]

112. Good one, Lil Missy!

[NurseJackie]

120. People who make that accusation are projecting. (And that's my opinion.)

[George II]

107. Seriously?

[Cha]

136. "stop fighting the primary"?!! What part of Joy Reid's Tweet

don't you get it?

"... goes back decades.."

Still happening..

[Kath2]

13. Right on, Joy!

[sheshe2]

20. K&R

[LexVegas]

23. Joy needs a daily show right now! nt

[sheshe2]

36. Yes she does.

Someone here said she had a great show today. Sorry I missed it.

[NurseJackie]

39. Yes, please! Yes yes yes!

Please please please!

[Tarheel_Dem]

102. She had a daily show, but got cancelled. I DVR'd it daily, but the 2 o'clock spot wasn't the best...

for her. If she could grab either Van Susteren's or Tweety's evening timeslot, I think she could be a great lead in to the primetime programming.

[Stinky The Clown]

24. Kickitty kick and Reccity Rec

[George II]

25. Joy Reid tells it like it is, and this morning was on fire discussing recent election campaigns.

[ZX86]

26. How many Democrats support and defend Saudia Arabia as our close ally?

How many Democrats bow to their royalty, take their money, arrange arm deals worth millions, etc.?

[pnwmom]

33. How many DUers love to change the subject? n/t

[ZX86]

40. I thought the subject of this thread was the subjugation of women

and the politicians that enable that behavior.

Is it just another Bernie bashing thread?

[Hekate]

66. We are talking about the USA & women's rights here, & discussing Bernie's CURRENT behavior

So?

[ZX86]

70. Because you can't claim to be about women's rights only in the U.S.

Any more you can claim to be about civil rights in the U.S. and support apartheid South Africa.

[Hekate]

71. Right, because no feminist in the US ever spoke against apartheid or speaks up for Saudi women

'Cause we're just all navel gazing and not interested in the rest of humanity.

Did I read you right on that?

[JHan]

48. Whataboutisms are cute.

[Jamaal510]

110. "Whataboutisms"

[JHan]

115. can't take credit for it.lol..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

[Fla Dem]

49. The discussion isn't about just "any Democrat" it's about Bernie Sanders and his quasi official

role WITHIN the Democratic Party to promote unity. All the while he is insistent on complete acceptance of his political positions and dismisses any effort for outreach to minorities or acknowledgement of WOMEN's issues. Other Democrats, whatever their positions on a number of topics, do not have the national platform Sen Sanders currently has thanks to the DNC.

[NurseJackie]

61. LOL (Nice try.)

[Cha]

113. Awwww.... trying to deflect from the OP.. which is Correct.

[Skidmore]

28. Joy discussed this point with a guest on her program this morning. nt

[George II]

38. She was great, as was Howard Dean. One of her better shows overall.

[NastyRiffraff]

131. She and Howard Dean were exactly on point

Love them both! And I join those who want Joy to have a daily show in a decent time slot.

[George II]

132. She belongs in the 6 O'Clock slot instead of Greta Van Stomachturn

[NastyRiffraff]

133. That would be perfect

Greta should go back to Fox where she belongs.

[sheshe2]

138. I can't stand her whiney voice.

I switch stations when she comes on. Yuck... Greta.

[NurseJackie]

140. I can't stand her mumbling and syllable-skipping.

"Pre'den Uni'ah Stay'" (President of the United States)
"Sena' Mi'or' Le'r" (Senate Minority Leader)
"Gov'er Cal'for'a" (Governor of California)

Does she suffer from Bells Palsy? Stroke? Too much botox? Vital nerves damaged during botched facelift? If so, that's too bad... she can still have a career being an author, or an editorialist or a pundit-in-print.

MSNBC should have insisted that as a condition of her employment, that she be REQUIRED to work with a speech therapist. Her voice and her inability to speak and enunciate clearly are definitely two things that disqualify her from this type of job.

[Cha]

117. I bet that was interesting!

Skidmore

[Tom Rinaldo]

34. I remember when Joy assumed protesters throwing money at Hillary's car

literally were treating her as a whore (literally) showing no apparent insight into the origin of that form of protest which dated back to the Yippies throwing money off of the balcony of the New York Stock Exchange at the traders below to demonstrate the traders feverish desire to get their hands on money (they scrambled to pick it up). That may or may not have been a fair or accurate point to make regarding Clinton's prior fundraising on Wall Street - but Joy failed to recognize the point that time. She is a fierce advocate for our side who has clear loyalties (as is of course her right) toward Hillary. That episode made me realize that she is capable of shooting from the hip though. I still take in her view points but with a grain of salt o the side.

[NurseJackie]

41. LOL

Nice try.

[R B Garr]

43. Wrong, Joy got exactly what that money throwing

was about. It was obvious to all.

[ZX86]

47. Of course she knew what the money throwing was about.

She's not stupid.

[brush]

51. Come on, we all know the current meaning of throwing dollars at women...

and it has nothing to do with Yippies at the stock market. It was right after that Sanders rally where one speaker called Hillary a corporate whore.

I would say "nice try though" but it wasn't.

[Starry Messenger]

55. I have never heard of that Yippie action and I doubt the young people tossing money at

Hillary's car did either. Not everyone lives in the 60's. I definitely interpreted it as people treating Hillary as a whore, and it had nothing to do with Joy. When I read the story, that's exactly what I thought.

The onus is on political activists to not be misunderstood, not the public to have minute knowledge of obscure Boomer crap.

[emulatorloo]

65. C'mon, Tom

[Tom Rinaldo]

72. I noted it when she first said it and posted here about it at the time

Just googled this: Yippies wall street. Here is the first story that came up:

"The day the NYSE went Yippie
http://money.cnn.com/2007/07/17/news/funny/abbie_hoffman/

Forty years ago, Abbie Hoffman and friends invaded the heart of American capitalism and sprinkled dollar bills on the exchange floor. Did it make a difference?
By James Ledbetter, CNNMoney deputy managing editor
August 23 2007: 2:51 PM EDT

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- It remains perhaps the most striking act of guerrilla theater in American history, certainly in the financial world. "

Bolding is mine.

The second story was this in the Huffington Post:
Wall Street Protest, Circa 1967
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-weigant/abbie-hoffman-occupy-wall-street_b_993325.html

"...Watching the belated news coverage of the Occupy Wall Street movement, which is currently happening on the streets of New York, spurred the memory of Abbie’s stunt. I have to warn you that I don’t have any sweeping conclusions or parallels between the two events, rather I’d just like to provide a historical backdrop for the conversation happening around the Occupy Wall Street movement.

...For two years now, the tactic of drawing attention to your cause by dressing up and holding public demonstrations has been almost solely the purview of the Tea Party. While I fully support anyone’s right to put on such protests, rallies, and marches, it has been a little odd that all the energy has come from one side of the political spectrum. Seeing the true anti-Wall Street populism emerging now may change this equation somewhat".

Obviously not everyone is old enough to have direct memories of that protest when it happened, but it is not an obscure part of political protest history. It ranks with the most iconic pieces of political street theater ever pulled off. There was a lot of inter generational contacts made during Occupy Wall Street. It is not at all far fetched to presume that the two protests were linked. The collective activist memory of that Yippie event was not lost.

[emulatorloo]

74. I'm familiar with the yippies cuz I'm old.. That was 40 years ago though

And as another poster said, that is not part of history that younger generations know about. If you say Abbie Hoffmann to them, they probably won't know what yr taliking about.

They do know the term "Corporate Whore" They threw money at her to show her she's a whore.

[NurseJackie]

81. It was a deflection and attacking-the-messenger.

[Tom Rinaldo]

82. The stories I linked to about it are not 40 years old. One was from 2007, the other 2011

And they were not mere passing references to that protest, they were features - one in CNN Money. It was written about because it was still relevant. Most people don't know who came up with the chant "What do we want? When do we want it?" either, or when it was first used.

And actually my memory of the complaint Joy had at the time about it did not include the word "corporate", just "whore." In political protest terms "corporate whore" is sex and gender free - but that wasn't the take Joy had about those protesters at the time. No doubt Abbie thought the traders below who swooped down for the dollars were "corporate whores" also, and back then they were almost all men - though I'm not sure that phrase had gone into use yet.

[dchill]

78. +1000.

[ecstatic]

99. Thanks for the reminder of just how out of control some of the

Bernie bros had become. There's no excuse for that type of behavior, especially from anyone who dares to label him/herself progressive.

[pnwmom]

118. Oh yeah, that's what the money throwers meant. Right. They had all read about the

Yippies and decided to copy them.

Give me a break.

[NurseJackie]

119. Yep. That was a desperate and contorted deflection. So glad others also see it for what it is.

[killbotfactory]

35. Who is the strongly pro-choice democrat in the race?

And why isn't the DNC backing them?

[comradebillyboy]

154. Perhaps there is no pro choice democrat in the race.

Supporting Mello against the R candidate is not a problem for me but calling an anti-choice Democrat progressive is a bridge too far.

[SunSeeker]

37. K & R

[Cary]

44. K & R

[ananda]

45. Sanders' actual words.

"If we are going to protect a woman's right to choose, at the end of the day we're going to need Democratic control over the House and the Senate, and state governments all over this nation," he said. "And we have got to appreciate where people come from, and do our best to fight for the pro-choice agenda. But I think you just can't exclude people who disagree with us on one issue."

[Bayard]

52. So what's wrong with that?

I will never understand the Bernie hatred here. He's still out there fighting for us.

[brush]

53. That one issue, womens' reproductive rights, is non-negotiable, especially for progressives

We should not be backing pro-lifers.

[uponit7771]

56. One issue like taking money from banks? seems like the purist minimize the others issues while being

... a stickler for their own

[Guilded Lilly]

87. Uh-huh. Depends on the "one issue" now, doesn't it?

I've never been in the hateBerniecamp. Not even remotely near the same camp ground. He has spoken to my heart on several issues for many years.

Bernie and I part company on the anti-choice issue being one you can include in order to "do our best" to fight for the pro-choice agenda. Patronizing, even.

To millions of loyal and passionate Democrats "do our best" is not acceptable. Fight to the death is.
To millions of women, that IS the war. It is our war and has been for centuries.

Appreciate where THAT is coming from.

[LakeArenal]

54. Can't we all just get along, move on, look forward.

[Akamai]

63. yup! I sure agree with you on this. Let us not eviscerate those trying to work for the betterment

progressive causes.

Let not the perfect be the enemy of the good.

[Cha]

116. Oh we're not suppose to aknowledge reality? Joy

makes a valid point.

[LakeArenal]

125. Yes. Lots of people make valid points.

You make a valid point.

The reality is this rehashes an argument the has been going on for weeks but seems to continue relentlessly and is divisive. Let's take a week and bash some other politician. Quit looking for an argument where there is none. Why did you come after me with that Oh.... we're not supposed to... You can suppose anything you want. I am not telling you to suppose anything. I am not rising to your bait.

[Cha]

127. Nah, this hasn't been pointed out by Joy, ever.

[LakeArenal]

135. Go forth and prosper, Cha.

[Hekate]

57. Thank you, Joy Reid

[Gothmog]

64. I love AMJOY

Joy Reid is amazing and this is a great tweet

[lunamagica]

69. That's why I love Joy

[BigBearJohn]

73. So I guess you would all be happy if Sanders just quit

I'm very close to leaving DU forever

[6000eliot]

92. I'd be extremely happy if he just quit bashing Democrats and defending Trump voters.

[Cha]

114. Hyperbole much, BBJ? I'd be happy if he'd quit

insulting the Democratic Party with wrong and divisive attacks..

And, Joy is right.

[nolabear]

75. If Sanders would pay attention and modify this I'd be happy to listen to him.

But he shows no interest in too many things I care about and AM, and no one should expect us women to continue to not exist to people in power.

[ehrnst]

79. That would be "pivoting" and any change to your dogma

whatsoever, even when there is new data, is capitulation to the corporate shills.

So I hear.

[GeorgeGist]

86. Yup ...

divide and conquer.

[YOHABLO]

93. Jeeezus please stop with this shit. You are not making things better for anyone.

[Cha]

109. Talk to BS.. Joy wouldn't be calling him out if

it weren't true.

[NurseJackie]

122. So you're saying that you want women to shut up and "take one for the team"?

Jeeezus please stop with this shit. You are not making things better for anyone.

Nothing could be further from the truth. We ARE making things better... for WOMEN and for OUR PARTY.

Remind me again... exactly who are YOU trying to make things better for? Can you please tell me who it is that benefits if we "stop with this shit" as you crudely command?

[NurseJackie]

97. ...

[ecstatic]

98. Yep. Women and other "identity politics" types are mere nuisances

in the way of a magical kumbaya moment.

[Tarheel_Dem]

101. Joy always "gets it".

[iluvtennis]

103. Yes, she does and she's spot on about Bernie in my opinion.

[Tarheel_Dem]

104. Indeed. But she's pretty easily dismissed as "the establishment" by BS & Co.

[progressoid]

126. Yeah, sadly there are some here who have yet to bury their hatchets.

Every once in a while, one of these little shit storms will pop up.

There are ways to hide threads, topics and/or specific posters if it gets too irritating.

Or every Sunday there is this to lift the spirits...https://www.democraticunderground.com/1018944650

Welcome to DU!

[Cha]

130. No, his attempts to smear the messenger didn't work.

[Cha]

128. Nah, your attempt to "smear the messenger" isn't Working..

Joy Reid is brilliant and most Credible!

[aikoaiko]

124. She certainly knows how to lean a story toward Bernie hate.

Brava, Joy.

[Gothmog]

134. I am watching AMJOY right now

[Heartstrings]

139. What is our common denominator here?

We essentially have 2 choices...1. We can continue hashing (I did not say bashing) Bernie, or any other of our resistance leaders, (because whether you acknowledge it or not, that's what he is...a leader of the resistance!! For all of us!!) or 2. We can unify to rid our country of our common enemy...trump! That's our common denominator and what we should all be focusing our energy on. trump!!

LET IT GO! Just stop the division and move on...whatever is said, done, meant, insinuated, tweeted...means absolutely nothing in the bigger picture...nothing...unless we come together against all GOP'er's or we will lose again.

And then who will ya'll blame? Yourselves, you should blame yourselves...we have one chance, this is it...pull it together for the greater good people...geesh!

This just pisses me off so much...

[R B Garr]

141. Yet, I heard people booing Perez* when Democrats were mentioned on the so-called "unity"

tour. The unity tour started just last week. Bernie could also be calling out that divisiveness. There was no reason for that whatsoever.

*the clip of this happening is all over the current news. Joy Reid showed this on her show as well as other mainstream MSNBC hosts *currently*. It has to be current news, since it just happened last week.

[Heartstrings]

142. This all needs to stop...here...now

We're just feeding onto our "common denominator" and his agenda...

FOCUS on the end game!

[R B Garr]

143. Yeah, make it stop. There was no reason for those folks to be booing Democrats.

A responsible person should have explained that it was a "unity" tour and their booing was misplaced. Cheering for Sanders and booing Democrats doesn't sound like much "unity". Seems like someone could have explained that "common demoninator" you mention.

And whose agenda, "his agenda". Who?

[Heartstrings]

144. Couldn't figure out who the "common denominator" is and his "agenda"?

Really? Pretty simple...I'll give you another clue...he sometimes sits in the WH...

And the booing you mentioned is not to be condoned either...but why are we constantly arguing over these types of thing? The booing serves no purpose nor does the endless bickering here on du...

Can we not agree we need to pull together to help our resistors at least? They really do have our backs you know....

[R B Garr]

145. We were talking about the unity tour and there were two men involved,

Sanders and Perez who conducted the tour, hence the question. It didn't look like much "unity" when Sanders is cheered and the mention of Democrats and Perez is booed. Make it stop. Thanks.

[Heartstrings]

146. It all needs to stop

for the better good...

No disrespect intended...we're both pulling for the same side.

[LakeArenal]

147. I suppose they were paid boos.. by Sanders....

People have opinions. Let's just cut them. We don't need them. Let's not even listen to their concerns. Anyone who speaks what we don't want can't be this or that. Yer either for us or agin us. Lots of people making it abundantly clear.. No Bernie supporters allowed. Not even Bernie allowed. Okay fine. Just don't whine about not voting for your candidate when you lose again.

Used to know a woman who left her oafish husband and their two sons because she didn't have a place to take them. Every time she would call the boys, he would repeatedly berate her and tell her what a horrible person she is. Gradually she didn't call much. Why should she, every time she tried some input she was told get lost, you're wrong, you're silly at best and an anathema at worst. Then he started telling everyone, what a lousy mother. She doesn't even call. It wasn't until the boys grew up that they understood the situation.

[R B Garr]

148. I doubt you would honor your own words here if it was Bernie being booed.

That certainly wouldn't be a "unity" tour, would it.

[LakeArenal]

149. I hear Bernie being booed everyday.. right here.

I don't think anyone should be booed. I listen to what the people here boo everyday. I honor your opinion and others by not hitting back with useless argument. Thanks for doubting my "honor" by the way. You already have me figured out.

All some of us are trying to say is, folks are still pushing Bernie supporters away. The DNC saw fit to give Bernie a role. Harp at them if you don't like what he represents. Stop making it so personal. Quit assuming motivations....

[R B Garr]

151. lol, you hear people reacting to what Bernie actually says, and there is no comparison

to what was shown in that "unity" tour clip that is so widely played now -- they just booed the mention of Democrats.

And "honor" has many meanings, one of which is heed, for instance, but you want to twist it and then tell me you are not "hitting back with useless argument". LOL.

Stop making it so personal yourself. I doubt you would heed your own words here if it was Bernie being booed onstage by Democrats. You can't compare it to this message board because of the obvious ability to silence people in so many ways.

[LakeArenal]

155. Doubter, Judger, right fighter, dictionary...

Glad I could give you a laugh. Your derision is obvious.. You can't that, you won't honor this. I am not arguing at all. I'm asking people to look forward and try to get along. I am not arguing with you as it is useless. You aren't going to change my mind, I am not trying to change yours. Your opinion is your opinion. I am definitely not laughing at you. I believe I said it was fine that you don't like Bernie or his supporters. Great perfect. Let's move on. This is my last comment. I give you the last word. Have a great night.

[R B Garr]

156. At least you made it clear this wasn't personal.

[tonedevil]

150. Actually mentioning...

the mention would be a transparent way of discussing what lead to the boos. As I recall a woman who was introducing the meeting asked the crowd why they were there and a vocal contingent started chanting Bernie. At that point she tried to steer back to the purpose and said maybe you came here to meet the new DNC chair and the future of the Democratic party. Nothing wrong with the content, but telling a chanting crowd they want something other than what they are chanting for is not recomended in public speaking. The reason being it can easily end up like that.

[R B Garr]

152. I heard all that. I doubt people would be so nonchalant about it if it was Bernie

being booed.

[tonedevil]

153. There are a few...

on this thread I think would be nonchalant.

[R B Garr]

157. Interesting....

[tonedevil]

158. It is my observation...

the emotional attachment to a particular ox determines the amount of nonchalance in regards to it being gored. YMMV