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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsJust saw a segment on ABC news about vinyl...
How many here have vinyl records or a record player, or both?
I have a record player I use to transfer vinyl to CD.
juxtaposed
(2,778 posts)Mme. Defarge
(8,012 posts)bobalew
(321 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)Let's get this straight.
They are called 'records.'
NOT---- vinyl..
Vinyl is something you cover your sofa with to keep it clean.
And while we're at it. :> ) CDs are called CDs (as you correctly did) not ALBUMS
An album is a record. It is something on which one can actually READ the words.
Silent3
(15,147 posts)...whether they're on vinyl or CD or MP3. I'd agree that "record" and "LP" imply vinyl, but not "album".
pangaia
(24,324 posts)ToxMarz
(2,162 posts)CDs are in "jewel cases". They are referred to as "CDs". Digital music comes in "files".
mac56
(17,564 posts)Does the format that stores it make a difference?
"Album" became the term of use back in the 30s and 40s when collections of songs (then on 78s) were sold together in bound volumes - hence "albums."
ToxMarz
(2,162 posts)If you are holding that collection in your hand it would have different associations depending on format and regional/cultural norms.
mac56
(17,564 posts)ToxMarz
(2,162 posts)mac56
(17,564 posts)ToxMarz
(2,162 posts)Gidney N Cloyd
(19,819 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)NBachers
(17,081 posts)madokie
(51,076 posts)back years ago when you bought a bag of weed, 10 bucks and ounce, it came with seeds and stems, pretty much so anyway. This thread has taken me way, way back. LOL
This was for the youngsters who doesn't grasp the 'Album' and a 10 dollar an ounce of weed concept Sometimes the weed would be kick ass sometimes it'd be so so
Ilsa
(61,690 posts)of the effort and space for the turntable.
LeftInTX
(25,126 posts)Apparently, the sound on vinyl is of better quality than digital.
I think it takes a trained ear to tell the difference.
I threw out all of my LPs years ago, they were warped.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)Same with recording studios.
I have always preferred the sound of an analogue (tape) studio to a digital studio, at least when I was doing the playing.
Now some wiseguy is going to post two recordings and tell me to guess which is which..
And I would blow it. So no thanks..
tube amps forever !!!!
GliderGuider
(21,088 posts)Old school.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)Same here ...
GliderGuider
(21,088 posts)Elwood P Dowd
(11,443 posts)I once had an Alphason Arm on a VPI table back in the mid-1980s. Nice tonearm. Hell, I've owned so many turntables over the past 48 years I have trouble keeping track. Was always changing, upgrading every couple of years it seems. Had the bug bad back in my younger days.
GliderGuider
(21,088 posts)It runs into a Lehmann Black Cube and Tom Evans Vibe 7 line stage, then to an Audion Silver Night PX-25 amp, into Fab Audio Model 1 speakers. The speakers are 97 dB, but not horn-loaded. Fab was a small tweaky Canadian company that went under when the first bad review came in.
I also do CDs using an Audio Note CDT III transport into an Audio Note DAC 4.1x Balanced Signature.
All that is left over from my own crazy days. I was in high tech, and spent my stock option proceeds on audio gear. My passion was tube amps - 300B, 845, 32B, EL84 and finally the PX-25. I don't listen as much any more since I got hearing aids...
So rich and deep. No comparison.
Progressive dog
(6,899 posts)Anything posted has to be digital.
eniwetok
(1,629 posts)The quality goes down the further in one plays simply because the linear distance a needle tracks on the outside song may be 2x the linear distance on the innermost track. CDs were designed to adjust speed to compensate so the quality never changed.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)A vinyl record degrades a tiny bit with every play. I think the vinyl craze is mostly hipster nonsense.
My son got into the retro vinyl craze. Bought an old turntable, started buying albums. That lasted about a year, when he decided that the pain-in-the-ass work associated with playing LPs wasn't worth their inferior sound.
eniwetok
(1,629 posts)If one didn't clean a record before every play... the needle might grind dust into the grooves. Background hiss was a problem while CDs recorded digitally were virtually silent. CDs were also easy to clean and had several layers of built in error correction to deal with minute manufacturing defects, small scratches etc.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)Mine are old 'original,' in that i bought them in the 50's 60's 70s.
I just like the sound better.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)But the idea that vinyl is acoustically superior is kinda nuts, except for a few, verey finely tuned and maintained systems. I did use the term MOST you'll notice.
I do have some original albums I keep for nostalgia's sake, but I do not listen to them.
And like I said, keep in mind that you ARE slightly damaging them every time you play them.... physics.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)Guess I am one of the few. That has always been my curse and blessing.
Nevertheless, I just like the sound better, at least for classical recordings.
And yes, also occasional bleed through, inner grooves vs outer grooves.
Different strokes/different folks and all that.
I remember the first time I ever played a CD. It was a shocker.
Of course over the years I have gotten used to it, for obvious reasons and I have oh maybe 100-150. It's the only way to listen to the Berlin Philharmonic. Other than DIGITAL CONCERT HALL or LIVE !!!
Enjoy whatever you love best......
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)sammythecat
(3,568 posts)degrades over time due to age/environment to the point that whatever quality difference there is between vinyl and digital becomes indiscernible. Brand new vinyl on a million dollar turntable vs. a quality cd on a great system... I'd enjoy both and never know which was which. Like you say, except for a very small minority of people (if that), I think it's a lot of hipster hooey.
An edit to say that I completely get that analogue is superior than digital when measured, I just don't think the vast majority of people have the equipment, for one thing, or, more importantly, the ears, to ever tell the difference. Spend a little money on some good speakers and enjoy, knowing that you ain't missin' a thing.
hunter
(38,302 posts)LP's are noisy and their overall frequency response is horrible.
In spite of that, an LP record and a turntable are analog instruments and a few very skilled sound engineers were (and are) able to "play" these analog instruments in a way that enhances the perceived sound of the overall performance.
Many of the first albums re-mastered as CDs didn't sound as good as the LP because they were artless analog-to-digital conversions of the original sources. Many later CDs were bad because digital effects like compression were used in a heavy-handed and clumsy way.
Anything you can do in LP mastering and playback you can do with digital recording and playback. Every analog effect can be precisely duplicated. It's possible to make CD recordings that are indistinguishable from an LP. But it's also possible to make digital recordings that are far superior to anything you could do with the LP format.
I have a collection of LPs, 45s, and 78s. I also have a few home-cut recordings made on machines that predate home tape recorders, and some 16 rpm audio books. I occasionally play these records on a slightly modernized, restored, and very rugged record player with tube amps that was made for library use. Mine once belonged to a big university music department. On this machine the sound of records is exactly as I remember; it's a time machine.
I also have a 'seventies "High Fidelity Stereo" turntable with a more modern cartridge, but it's only really good for LPs explicitly produced for that format.
I'm not an "audiophile" in any way, I'm a Keep-It-Simple-Stupid Engineering type who is entirely unwilling to spend anything more than thrift-store prices on obsolete technologies. The most expensive new things on my record players are the needles. I've also replaced various bits of rubber and a few bad capacitors, but that's it.
Shandris
(3,447 posts)...and they wanted THIRTY FIVE DOLLARS per album.
Thirty five dollars! Excuse me while I choke on a donkey, that's ludicrous!
Yah, nah, no vinyl here. I'll stick to downloads and what-have-you.
juxtaposed
(2,778 posts)Early Jimi Hendrix, Dave Brubeck, and some odds and ends mix. I'll spend what you posted for hard to find albums, and sometimes more.
Shandris
(3,447 posts)Yah, that's just a crazy price new. Now, I've noticed you can still buy the records at some antique-style shops too for a reasonable price, but stores here are -really- pushing the vinyl at $35. I have no idea who in the actual hell they think has any money at all in my city, but those stores are standing while our big retailers die. *shrug*
I'd love to get an old Blue Oyster Cult, Juice Newton, or maybe Heart, but even then I wouldn't have a player. So I'd still just end up on YouTube.
juxtaposed
(2,778 posts)Archae
(46,301 posts)I think on one of those records I saw 44 songs!
6000eliot
(5,643 posts)lastlib
(23,152 posts)Even have a stack of 45s.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)There is one for sale on Ebay for $2999 !!! Yikers !!.
And about 400 records, mostly classical but a lot of jazz and some 60s rock
Most of my operas are on vinyl and I've always been a fussbudget about the way I handle and store them, so they're in great shape.
I've always found digital great for some genres and "dead" for others. I'm keeping my operas on vinyl.
juxtaposed
(2,778 posts)pansypoo53219
(20,955 posts)music box was moved. see i grabbed an old album of music of tonga. thing i need to play it. the 5 record set i think was $1 or free at the estate sale. estate sales great for music + books when they have them.
notdarkyet
(2,226 posts)But I gave it to a friend who really wanted it. I have tons of music.
gohuskies
(1,154 posts)Always have been a huge music fan through all the different formats but never ditched my vintage hifi system and turntables. At a time most people had given away or sold their record collections, I continued to look for used lps in good shape to build my jazz and classical collection. I enjoy the whole ritual of doing record listening sessions and just focus on enjoying great music. And yes, lps on a nice 2 channel hifi system sound better than digital and streamed music. It makes for a much warmer richer and less sterile listening experience st least to my ears. 👍
pangaia
(24,324 posts)Did I say,, YES YES !!!
madokie
(51,076 posts)and I'm here to say that vinyl rocks
Until I got the aids I thought I could hear pretty good but man o man what a difference the aids made
I'm 69 YO and worked in a lot of loud environments plus I lost an ear in an accident. Now my aid on the left side transmits to my right ear. As I get used to them I'm starting to hear stereo, if thats possible
eniwetok
(1,629 posts)I was an early adopter of CDs back in 85... when the CD selection made up about 3 rows in a record store, cost $25-30 each, and when my Technics CD player listed for about $500. I never looked back at vinyl. And so sits my collection of about 1500 LPs collecting dust. I should cash in while the loonies still want to buy that crap. (But no, I'm not selling my Beatles "Butcher cover" or the Stones 3-D Satanic Majesties Request album. Hell, I don't even listen to music these days. It's just NPR and talk show.
juxtaposed
(2,778 posts)Let it go post away. Let all know what you feel!
eniwetok
(1,629 posts)that might let me make sense of your post.
juxtaposed
(2,778 posts)LeftInTX
(25,126 posts)I gotta have my music for my workouts. I got a little mp3 player full of songs.
Housework requires music. Hand watering the lawn for 15 minutes in 100 degree weather...must have music.
I listen to NPR in the car, mainly because other radio stations are full of commercials.
juxtaposed
(2,778 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)csziggy
(34,131 posts)We have three turntables. The only use the turntables have gotten in the last twenty years was to transfer the vinyl to digital and CD.
Mostly I prefer CD or digital because of the ease in playing more than a twenty minute side without having to do anything. We have a 200 CD changer that is loaded with every CD we like to listen to. Digital, of course is even easier than that to operate, especially with play lists.
EarthFirst
(2,897 posts)A great annual event that draws out a ton of people to support their local vinyl shops!
http://www.recordstoreday.com
I wasn't able to get out today, however there were several great RSD releases this year!
CountAllVotes
(20,866 posts)Rock on!
& recommend!!
notdarkyet
(2,226 posts)progressoid
(49,945 posts)About 150 or so left. Got rid of a bunch I never listen to anymore.
no_hypocrisy
(46,020 posts)AllaN01Bear
(17,987 posts)Turbineguy
(37,291 posts)37 year old Luxman turntable back in service. Last weekend I was explaining to the 11 year old grandson how records work. He was wondering about the two speeds.
Elwood P Dowd
(11,443 posts)I once owned a PD-121 with Infinity tonearm and TOTL Sonus MM cartridge. Thing was built like a tank and with arm/cartridge cost close to $1,000 back around 1977. Still see them today bringing high prices on auction sites.
Still own about 300 LPs and almost as many CDs, plus I must have over 1,000 songs on the laptop and iPhone. Still prefer analogue sound to digital for serious listening.
countryjake
(8,554 posts)along with my ancient KLH stereo system with its gigantic two foot tall walnut speakers. (just about a half century old)
I've also got a modern little hi-fi that my daughter gave me a few years back, but I don't much trust the carriage on it, so only use it to play second-hand albums of questionable condition.
We used to have one of those turntables to transfer my albums to digital, but the CDs came out not even near the quality of the records, so I gave it away.
notdarkyet
(2,226 posts)Mine were stolen, as changes happened I had to make choices, and left manY behind. Still have a lot.
countryjake
(8,554 posts)but you definitely need to fiddle with the settings to get good stereo sound of anything that was recorded in stereo and even then, the finished CDs just lacked something that I could never put my finger on, which is why I got rid of that snazzy gizmo that did the job. Also, my girl sent us this cute little brand new Hi-Fi (which looks almost exactly like the one from the fifties that many of my records used to spin on) so space limitations made me decide that we really didn't need three turntables and I opted to dump the most advanced one, ha!
My album collection was a prized possession to me when I was real young and I always took precious care of them. When I went thru a divorce in the mid-seventies, we separated with only what we'd each personally bought and as I recall, disputes did arise over Joplin's "Pearl", The Stones "Let It Bleed", and Dylan's "John Wesley Harding" which I immediately replaced. I let him have all the Stone Poneys and Linda Ronstadt even tho I'd bought them as gifts for him (mainly cause I was negotiating to keep Pearl, which he'd bought for me, ha!) but he wasn't working and I was, so it turned out fairly.
I once tracked down a guy who'd pilfered one of my Beatles albums and confronted him at his door...my maiden name was written tiny, far down on the inside of the cover, and he was at a loss for words (or defense) when that was pointed out to him.
And termites ate the covers to my box full of Woody Guthries and other old folk music, but I still have the records. There's an Eric Andersen playing on the Hi-Fi right now.
Demonaut
(8,914 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)Tikki
(14,549 posts)plus our vintage Sansui speakers circa 1967...
Tikki
central scrutinizer
(11,637 posts)And a few dozen records. They are about 1/4 inch thick and heavy and rigid. No electricity needed.
notdarkyet
(2,226 posts)Around after forty years. I have some goodies, in a Gada da vida, cheap thrills, My favorite music I bought on records, then tapes, then cds and is now on my iPod, like worst of Jefferson airplane. I still play my albums. My first Fleetwood Mac's which I've not been able to find on any other mediums.
barbtries
(28,769 posts)i hadn't listened to my vinyl for about 10 years until last year, some of them are over 40 years old. i bought a record player that converts them but i'm still listening to my vinyl one record at a time. i also have a shitload of cassettes i haven't heard in years
mac56
(17,564 posts)My cousin is convinced that eight-tracks will make a comeback.
Watch and see.
Zambero
(8,962 posts)Many still sealed. Then I had to go out and find a player that worked. I managed to locate 2 at thrift shops. About half of the previously played tapes sound crappy, play unenvely,or self-destruct the first time they're played. The rest sound fine. Cassettes sound even better, and have a 90%+ "success" rate. The ones manufactured beginning in the early 80's used high bias tape and have an extended high frequency range, comparable to vinyl.
eniwetok
(1,629 posts)Since there 8 tracks were tape loops, they didn't handle long songs well. One of my friends had a 8 track in his car... one the gang and I spent a lot of time in. They way Jimi Hendrix's Machine Gun off Band Of Gypsies faded out before a track change is still burnt into my brain close to 50 years later how. So even though the song in other formats from LP, CD and mp3... whenever I hear the song, it doesn't sound right without that fade out.
trackfan
(3,650 posts)I've always still played records. I think my CDs will be obsolete before the records. I have records from the 1930s that still play fine, but some CDs that are less than 10 years old are already going wacky and becoming unplayable.
madokie
(51,076 posts)We have an Audio-Technica AT-LP120-USB turntable to play them on. We have a ton of albums from years ago and its awesome to listen to them. We have a Bose Acoustimass 10 speaker system that we listen to them on. I recently got hearing aids and I'm here to say that I had forgotten just how good music sounded until I got the aids
Albums run in the 25 buck range now though
Guess I am too much of a nerd. I had good changer with pre-amp, amp, and large expensive speakers back in 70's. Vinyl sound quality degrades quickly. Even with good turn table, they are past their prime after fewer than 10 playings. The pound per square inch load on vinyl is huge. Perhaps vinyl does sound better or perhaps it sounds as we remember it from our youth. I do not know. Still flac (free lossless audio codec) with good dac and good speaker systems sound so much better to me than anything I remember in youth. And digital never degrades, and can be archived for prosperity.
Chipper Chat
(9,672 posts)If there was really a difference between cds and vinyl. I listened to Detroit rock city by Kiss on CD then on vknyl. I was shocked the record was so much beter. The presence of vinyl was a lot more distinctive
Elwood P Dowd
(11,443 posts)but on probably 80+ percent of recordings where I have both formats, I still like the sound of vinyl better. These results do require a nicer turntable, tonearm, and cartridge than most people probably own. Dirt cheap or old/worn out turntables and cartridges with poorly maintained, scratched-up, and dirty records will probably turn off most people.
Samantha
(9,314 posts)There is no comparison between music on vinyl and music on CDs.
I have many vinyls I bought when they were released, and the ones I have of her are simply outstanding. I have others that I truly cherish, such as The Righteous Brothers, the Bee Gees Live (double album), The Doors, The Doobie Brothers, Wilson Picket ... I could go on and on. I consider these albums my true treasure.
But I will leave you with this one:
Sam
countryjake
(8,554 posts)total agreement, here!
Samantha
(9,314 posts)It is amazing to learn these two guys accidentally met in an elevator, started talking and decided to give signing together a try. They made it to the point when one of their songs was played on the radio, and the DJ remarked after hearing it, "That is righteous, brother!" And so with that name they were off to introduce themselves to the world. I am so happy to have their greatest hits on vinyl, and this thread has inspired me to get up and play it tomorrow.
Goodnight.
Sam
eniwetok
(1,629 posts)some critics believed engineers didn't know enough about the wide dynamic range and frequency response on CDs to correctly master older analog recordings to the new medium resulting in a raspier sound. Of course it could just have been the CD's better frequency response curve that didn't drop the high end.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(107,741 posts)But then I'm 59 years old. Still love their sound.
madamesilverspurs
(15,798 posts)My old shelf system came with turntable, cassette deck, and radio; the turntable still works. I enjoy playing my old Peter, Paul and Mary records, sound just like they did when I first heard them way back when. I've had several CD players, they've all quit working in less than a year.
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One for listening. One set up for converting analog to digital. LP Collection is around 2,500 give or take. Plus about 1,200 45's and a couple hundred 78's (technically shellac and not vinyl, but like their younger vinyl cousins they also play with a turntable). Wish I had taken better care of some of the older collectible ones.
Binkie The Clown
(7,911 posts)Nothing beats the purity of direct-to-disk. None of that fancy-pants electronics stuff for me.
Archae
(46,301 posts)www.tinfoil.com
They collect and put into electronic form the old cylinder records.
They have one going back to 1878!
But Souza himself and his band, old minstrel bands, etc.
Binkie The Clown
(7,911 posts)Side A is "Your Eyes Have Told Me What I Did Not Know", but side B is flat, blank and unlabeled. It feels about twice as thick as later two-sided 78s as well.
ms liberty
(8,558 posts)from kids records up thru adulthood. I also have all my family's records. We also have my husband's grandfather's collection; he was a technojunkie who loved music so we have feel to reels from him as well, but he had a huge collection of big band, blues, swing, as well as classical and opera. I've never counted, but we've probably got 3000 records at least. I've never counted them and I don't play them regularly now, I have a turntable that transfers to digital and I listen on an IPod most of the time.
There is definitely a difference in the sound, and you can hear the difference even on transferred music. Vinyl has a warmer, richer sound.
kentuck
(111,052 posts)on the Pioneer turntable with 100-watt Bose speakers.
Mr. Ected
(9,670 posts)Don't break it out very often, but it was cool when I bought it and even cooler now.
MineralMan
(146,254 posts)on Record Store Day last week. I thought it was interesting, because they had a photo of a crowd standing outside of The Electric Fetus record store in Minneapolis. Looking at the crowd, I was sure I saw the back of my head several times in the crowd, thinning white hair and all. In fact, almost the entire crowd was made up of people who were young people when the only way to play music at home was on vinyl.
A lot of the new enthusiasm for vinyl and the equipment to reproduce the music on it is driven by nostalgia, I think. It's similar to the boom in vintage 50s and 60s automobiles that has driven up the price of restored cars so dramatically. Now that the boomers, like me, are in their 50s and beyond, being nostalgic about the days when we were young and new is a common pastime.
Naturally, the audio industry is taking advantage of that and introducing new equipment. The music industry, too, is responding with freshly-pressed vinyl of the old classic albums and some of the new music that is being released. Nostalgia is big business, and always has been. In another 20 years or so, those people who grew up listening to their favorite music on vinyl will decrease in numbers and there won't be any market for those nostalgia records and the hardware needed to play them.
It's a nostalgia craze. I'm all for it, but I'm not going to buy any new stuff for my old albums, nor will I buy any new albums. The music I really want to hear, I have available digitally from many sources. Some of my old albums are on a shelf in my house, but their number has been thinned down to a bare minimum and I rarely play them. I do have the equipment to do so. In fact, it's the very same equipment I used back in the late 60s and 70s. I still have it. It still works. It's now down in my basement, and is rarely powered up.
I'm a nostalgic guy, myself. But I don't own an old car from my glory days, nor do I play old vinyl records. I drive a terrific late model car and have digital files of all of the old music I enjoyed so much years ago. Nostalgia is expensive, if you do it right, and my income doesn't allow that sort of thing.