Strange. I never hear people around here complaining

[pnwmom]

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that Donald Trump is whoring for the banks or whoring for corporations or whoring for anybody, for that matter.

I used to see that word used against a certain Democrat. But if anyone is whoring, it's DT.

It's kind of funny that the word has mostly dropped out of the progressive vocabulary, since so many people used to insist it was gender neutral. Maybe people finally figured out it wasn't gender-neutral, and decided to drop it from their vocabulary, and replace it with words like "shill." Maybe.

If you feel like getting mad at me, could you pause for a moment and think about why? Could it be that I'm pointing to a painful truth?

[Squinch]

1. Huh. You know, you're right! I NEVER see that anymore!

[frazzled]

2. You don't even hear the term "corporatist" applied

to him. It's an invective that seems to be reserved only for Democrats or the Democratic Party.

[Squinch]

3. And you're right too! Oligarch! No one says oligarch either!

[pnwmom]

5. Well, we do hear it about Russians.

When people like Clint Watts and the FBI are testifying.

[Squinch]

6. But never about Democrats any more...

[disillusioned73]

28. This may bother some folks..

but it is the truth.. Bernie still uses that term, constantly - but some people here only hear what they want to hear...

Not sure where these implications are headed... but maybe there are a lot more right-leaning trolls around here than previously thought??

[Squinch]

33. There are certainly a lot of trolls around here. Many decamped to JPR, but many remain.

[disillusioned73]

35. Doesn't that defeat the term "trolls"??..

why would "trollers" decamp.. isn't that a contradiction?? I think people with leftist views aren't the enemy - that would be the right that wants to keep the rift afloat.. but thatz just me

[Squinch]

37. I don't see people with leftist views as the enemy either. I see trolls as the enemy. But thatS me.

[pnwmom]

4. Interesting.

[HughBeaumont]

31. Well, to be fair, calling a Republican a "corporatist" is like calling a serial killer a murderer.

It's just how they're wired . . . even more so since Nixon.

[tonedevil]

59. Exactly /nt

[Leith]

7. People Objected to It Because It Usually Refers to Women

I've been using the word to describe anyone, regardless of sex or orientation, if it fits.

I censored myself the other day from telling a joke in the thread with the hitter, the quitter, and the shitter posing in front of HRC's White House portrait. A shame, too, because it was one of the best puns I've ever heard.

I just added the joke to my profile. If you want to see it, great. If you don't, it wasn't forced on you in a thread. Everybody's happy.

[question everything]

8. Is it because we finally realize that we have to unite, instead of fragmentize

(see the all the comments, above, about other words not much in use now) that putting label on other Democrats just hurt us, in the end?

[pnwmom]

10. No, isn't. How could saying TRUMP is whoring for corporations, the banks, etc.fragmentize Democrats?

Aren't we unified in believing that?

Unless, of course, it isn't such a gender-neutral term.

[whathehell]

38. I believe you answered your own question...

It's an ugly word that's NOT gender neutral, however much some might wish that to be the case..

Shill works fine, really.

[ihaveaquestion]

13. I hope so. nt

[MineralMan]

9. Not hearing "Third Way" much anymore, either.

All the people who used all those words seem to have left the building, somehow.

[stonecutter357]

20. "Third Way" most definitely come from russian trolls !

[disillusioned73]

30. I remember a lot of folks..

being purged for any criticism of "the party".. Maybe that is why??

[QC]

32. Or from, you know, Third Way themselves,

as in this new "study" attacking community colleges, one of the few means by which blue-collar people can get an education.

http://www.thirdway.org/memo/a-risky-bet-billions-in-tax-dollars-fund-lowest-performing-institutions

Can't have too many of the peasants getting uppity, now can we?

[R B Garr]

11. You are on to something here!

Now that you mention it, it has dropped off!

[whathehell]

39. I don't miss it, myself..

It's an ugly word and really not "gender neutral".

[mcar]

12. How strange!

[sheshe2]

22. Gotta say...

Someone found a substitute the other day...they called us harlots, referring to Dems. Though harlot is unequivocally gender specific.

[mcar]

24. Oh for god's sake!

Harlots? Really?

I truly feel that we are devolving.

[sheshe2]

25. Yup....

That is not one step backwards it is a leap!

[Shandris]

14. I'd consider it a foregone conclusion...

...just as it's a foregone conclusion that when discussing Hitler, one realizes he is evil and a number of the reasons why. It doesn't need to be spelled out over and over -- everyone present is aware of it. It's not a point of contention. There's no one on the site who doesn't agree with it.

The same can not be true of other accusations (whatever they may be).

I suppose we could flood the front page with rants about every historical figure that has ever existed and why they are evil constantly, but that would likely only split the party into MORE infighting instead of less since most of you can't seem to discuss a coherent definition of almost anything without someone breaking into fainting spells.

As for shills, they're on all sides and if you aren't aware of it, you're literally too dumb for this hobby (generic 'you', not directed at OP or any member). Yes, shills 'whore' for other things, and yes I'd wager most people went to 'shill' because it's a less offensive word (or so they could talk without someone suffering apoplexy because of the use of the word). I can't imagine why anyone would be upset at you for this post, but I'm sure someone somewhere is because it's literally impossible to say so much as 'Hi DU!' without SOMEONE getting pissy.

EDF seems to be working overtime today.

[heaven05]

15. +1 very painful truth

somewhat hypocritical I think....and I'm at fault too. Haven't said a words....just slapped the hands that type...

[cwydro]

16. K and r.

Nail on head.

[JI7]

17. many have left this site and busy defending trump

[whathehell]

41. Who the hell has "left this site" and is now "defending Trump'?

[athena]

18. Good observation.

I think some of us always knew why the word was being used, and that it wasn't really gender-neutral.

[proud patriot]

19. I will use it a couple today

as we all should .. Conman meme check , cheater check .. now time for WHORE . nobody whores himself like the chump

[stonecutter357]

21. K&R!

[Cary]

23. K & R

Apparently it's worth a lot people to sow discord and discontent about Democrats.

[Qutzupalotl]

26. Nobody here remembers Media Whores Online?

That was definitely not gender-specific. Favorite targets included Peter Jennings, Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reilly, Ted Koppel and Aaron Brown. Some targets were female but many if not most were male.

MWO's premise was that talking heads were unduly influenced by big moneyed interests, hence the name. Granted, it is an awful descriptor and a loaded term. MWO was extremely angry at the sad state of the media at the time and how they helped cheerlead the GWoT and Iraq invasion.

[whathehell]

43. It's an ugly, loaded word..

and I'm not nostalgia for "the good old days".....The word "shill"seems to work fine for most.

[disillusioned73]

27. I agree..

his whole administration is a corporate whore filled cesspool..

[treestar]

29. K&R

[grossproffit]

34. Oligarch appears to be gone as well. Great catch!

[NurseJackie]

36. It's definitely noteworthy, revealing, and troubling... and maddening.

It's indeed strange, but there's nothing mysterious about it.

I know exactly what causes the phenomenon you describe. EXACTLY!

[Blue_Tires]

40. Be careful... I got my post hidden the last time I mentioned this...

[Kentonio]

42. I don't understand

People stopped using it because they accepted it's gender offensive, but you want people to start using it to refer to Trump?

[whathehell]

44. Confusing, isn't it?

I get you.

[pnwmom]

45. People stopped using it because we were in a general election and they were required to SUPPORT

the nominee.

I saw it frequently used here throughout the primaries.

IF it HAD been a gender neutral term, then some would have applied it to Trump, but no one has.

[Kentonio]

48. So you want people to start using a gender offensive word?

[LanternWaste]

55. I saw no inference to use it regardless of context... merely an objective compare and contrast.

I saw no inference to use it regardless of context... merely an objective compare and contrast.

Though I do realize the difficulty in knowing the difference between 'infer' and 'imply' when doing so becomes convenient to a particular narrative or bias.

[Kentonio]

58. What I'm trying to get to the bottom of

Is whether this is nothing more than a bizarre attack on some people in the past who said some bad stuff, or whether there was a more useful point to it. Because if its the former, then that's quite odd. It's basically saying 'some people used a bad word and then stopped, and now they don't use that word and that means they must secretly support Trump or male patrimony!'.

[pnwmom]

56. I want people to understand that much of the criticism against strong women,

even on a Democratic board, is gender based.

And that is an example. People only stopped using it because the rules here required people to support the nominee in a general election. And it hasn't reappeared because DT is a man.

[Kentonio]

60. You could be right that it hasn't been used because he's a man

But it kind of undermines your op when you link it to people here using it and then stopping using it. I think you're definitely spot on about a lot of criticism being gender based though.

[LexVegas]

46. People stopped using it to avoid getting banned. It was never "accepted" by many as offensive. nt

[Kentonio]

47. How do you know? Did you ask them?

[LexVegas]

49. Yep.

[Kentonio]

51. Sure you did..

[pnwmom]

52. No, it wasn't banned till the general election, when posters were required to support the Dem.

It was in frequent use here during the primaries.

[LexVegas]

53. I know. There was never an agreement that it was offensive from many Sanders supporters.

Just a fear of getting banned.

[Demsrule86]

50. and we still see it against the Democratic Party. nt

[BainsBane]

54. Perceptive observation

That fits with recent discussions of the low priority on women's equal rights.

[JCanete]

57. Because there's no question here about that? Because we all know what the GOP stands for? When it is

said, do you see it erupting into a 200 post flame war? Uh, no...because it is a foregone conclusion that the GOP are the lackeys of the rich, at least here at DU.

But I would say for that reason, its not likely to garner as much attention when a post says that and that it is probably said a lot more than you think.

[Jamaal510]

61. K&R