Labour needs a new leader

[DemocratSinceBirth]

They are becoming the Conservative party's pinata.

[OnDoutside]

1. All going well, Corbyn will be gone in a few weeks, or

rather, badly.

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

3. I wouldn't bet on that

His base doesn't expect to win, they just want to make a smug point.

Corbyn only goes if he loses his own seat or in a coffin and Corbyn has held his seat since 1983.

[Ken Burch]

2. The election campaign is already under way

It's not possible to change leaders DURING an election campaign, and no one he could be replaced with could do better.

No one from the ranks of the anti-Corbyn wing of the party would disagree with the Tories on any major issue.

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

4. Uhh... Brexit?

[Ken Burch]

6. It's too late to stop Brexit now.

And Corbyn campaigned for Remain as much as anybody did.

It's not his fault Leave passed-it's the fault of the overall Remain campaign, who did a terrible job.

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

7. I would bet almost anything Corbyn personally supported Brexit

But that is beside the point.

What Brexit means is still to be negotiated, A Labour or Liberal government would probably plot a less suicidal path than what the Conservatives are.

[Ken Burch]

8. Which is why all the attacks on Corbyn HAVE to stop, at least until the election is over.

It's impossible for the Liberal Democrats to end up winning a majority(they are stuck at 12% in the polls and still hated by most non-Tories for their participation in the coalition with David Cameron from 2010-2015), and the LibDems have said they will not join a coalition with Labour, which means a vote for the LibDems is a vote to keep the Tories in .

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

11. It doesn't really matter either way

Corbyn abdicated his role as opposition leader long before this election was called.

[geek tragedy]

5. There have been several attempts to replace him.

Labour rank and file voters--by a decisive margin--prefer him over his intraparty critics.

Maybe that means Labour stops being a major party. But they've chosen their leader and they're sticking with him.

[Ken Burch]

9. If they really wanted Corbyn to go, they should have made this commitment to him

and to the vast majority of the Labour rank-and-file who agree with Corbyn on the issus:

"We agree that a candidate sharing Jeremy's values WILL be on the leadership ballot to replace him".

Instead, they offered nothing but a meaningless and inevitably humiliating position for him as "party president", in which he would have no say over policy or candidate selection and would have been powerless to prevent all of his supporters from being suspended or expelled from the party.

There was never going to be a massive surge of support to Labour from erasing Jeremy and all people and views associated with him from the party, which is what the PLP demanded.

Nobody other than the PLP itself wanted Blairism back.

[BannonsLiver]

10. If Labour loses a bunch of seats in the snap election

The pressure will mount on him to step aside, from all sides, and at that point I'm not sure what the argument for him to stay would be. The belief that the party faithful will stick by him no matter what sounds fine now but in practice, after getting crushed, that's a whole other kettle of fish.

I lean toward the side that it may not be as ugly as it seems now, but Labour will definitely lose some seats. That is a given.