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progressoid

(49,827 posts)
Sun Apr 23, 2017, 07:47 PM Apr 2017

What. In. The. Ever. Loving. F*ck.

There's no honeymoon for Donald Trump in a new ABC News/Washington Post poll, but also no regrets: He approaches his 100th day in office with the lowest approval rating at this point of any president in polls since 1945 –- yet 96 percent of those who supported him in November say they'd do it again today.

....

Vote again?

Among Americans who say they voted in the 2016 election, 46 percent say they voted for Hillary Clinton and 43 percent for Trump, very close to the 2-point margin in the actual popular vote results. However, while Trump would retain almost all of his support if the election were held again today (96 percent), fewer of Clinton's supporters say they’d stick with her (85 percent), producing a 40-43 percent Clinton-Trump result in this hypothetical re-do among self-reported 2016 voters.

That's not because former Clinton supporters would now back Trump; only 2 percent of them say they'd do so, similar to the 1 percent of Trump voters who say they'd switch to Clinton. Instead, they're more apt to say they'd vote for a third-party candidate or wouldn’t vote.

In a cautionary note to her party, Clinton's 6-point drop in a hypothetical mulligan election relates to views of whether the Democratic Party is in touch with peoples' concerns. Although the sample sizes are small, those who say the party is out of touch are less likely to say they'd support Clinton again, compared with those who see it as in touch.

Still, there's no strong evidence that defectors primarily come from groups that favored Bernie Sanders in the primary. There are no broad differences by age, and liberals are 9 points more likely than moderates and conservatives to stick with Clinton. Similarly, nonwhites are 10 points more likely than whites to say they would not support Clinton again, with more than a third of them heading to the Libertarian candidate, Gary Johnson.

...http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/president-trump-100-days-honeymoon-regrets-poll/story?id=46943338



I'm going out and buying some cheap wine. My country is fucked.

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What. In. The. Ever. Loving. F*ck. (Original Post) progressoid Apr 2017 OP
I guess there is no getting through to stupid. smirkymonkey Apr 2017 #1
People just hate to admit they made a mistake or that they have poor judgement. And then there are nikibatts Apr 2017 #19
It just boggles the mind, doesn't' it? smirkymonkey Apr 2017 #22
People who actually voted for donnie haven't seen anything to change their minds unblock Apr 2017 #2
This is so depressing. beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #3
Cheap wine sounds like a good idea. Maybe it would help us to at least temporarily... Different Drummer Apr 2017 #4
Which is why talking to them would be a waste of time dalton99a Apr 2017 #5
We can never forget this. Squinch Apr 2017 #7
I blame how tough many are on our party and candidates. stevenleser Apr 2017 #6
fortunately i have a kegerator. mopinko Apr 2017 #8
SCOTUS is just as important to the right as it is to the left metalbot Apr 2017 #9
Stoooopid is as stooopid votes........ alittlelark Apr 2017 #10
And none of them will ever believe that Trump colluded with the Russians to throw the election Mr. Ected Apr 2017 #11
At the risk of invoking Godwin's law.. Permanut Apr 2017 #12
I respectfully disagree GulfCoast66 Apr 2017 #14
Should have supported my argument, sorry.. Permanut Apr 2017 #15
So holding campaign rallies makes one Hitleresque? mythology Apr 2017 #20
Fucked up eom Arazi Apr 2017 #13
As we sink further down the rabbit hole.. mountain grammy Apr 2017 #16
The msm kept repeating that HRC was not popular which was a RW talking point. BSdetect Apr 2017 #17
I wonder if any Trump voters refuse to admit they voted for him? gratuitous Apr 2017 #18
Additionally, I would suspect that some of the Clinton supporters who said they wouldn't vote mythology Apr 2017 #21
 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
1. I guess there is no getting through to stupid.
Sun Apr 23, 2017, 07:54 PM
Apr 2017

I would have liked to have thought better of at least some of them, but this is just pathetic.

 

nikibatts

(2,198 posts)
19. People just hate to admit they made a mistake or that they have poor judgement. And then there are
Sun Apr 23, 2017, 11:13 PM
Apr 2017

some who take pride in being nasty and who like to see someone in power who is more stupid than they are.

unblock

(51,974 posts)
2. People who actually voted for donnie haven't seen anything to change their minds
Sun Apr 23, 2017, 07:56 PM
Apr 2017

The big difference is a lot of third-party voters and non-voters would have voted for Hillary if they could have another chance.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
6. I blame how tough many are on our party and candidates.
Sun Apr 23, 2017, 08:06 PM
Apr 2017

Compare how the tea party went about things and how the Jackass Radical wing of the Democratic Party went about things. The tea party went about taking over the party, not badmouthing it or trying to destroy it.

Compare also how the French far left is going about things now that their preferred candidate won't be in the runoff. They are supporting a self described centrist vs the far right whack job and Trump compatriot Le Pen. As a result the centrist is going to win and the French won't have the disaster that we have.

metalbot

(1,058 posts)
9. SCOTUS is just as important to the right as it is to the left
Sun Apr 23, 2017, 08:43 PM
Apr 2017

I suspect that had there not been a supreme court vacancy sitting open (and yes, obviously there should have been a vote on Garland), that Trump would not have had the turnout he needed. Conservatives I know who are appalled at Trump basically say "Gorsuch might be worth it".

What I find more surprising than the fact that Trump voters say they would do it again is the drop off of Clinton support. I'm actually pretty shocked by that.

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
11. And none of them will ever believe that Trump colluded with the Russians to throw the election
Sun Apr 23, 2017, 08:46 PM
Apr 2017

So you might as well forget about them coming to their senses when audio tape surfaces and Trump is heard setting up a quid pro quo with his Russian counterparts. They'll suggest the tape is a forgery, they'll deny the relationship was illegal, they'll distract and point fingers at Obama and Rice and Hillary and anyone but their sweet precious treasonous treacherous selves.

That, of course, is no reason to not let justice exact its penalty, if indeed there is justice anymore.

Permanut

(5,439 posts)
15. Should have supported my argument, sorry..
Sun Apr 23, 2017, 09:46 PM
Apr 2017



Adolf Hitler and the Nazis waged a modern whirlwind campaign in 1930 unlike anything ever seen in Germany. Hitler traveled the country delivering dozens of major speeches, attending meetings, shaking hands, signing autographs, posing for pictures, and even kissing babies.

Joseph Goebbels brilliantly organized thousands of meetings, torchlight parades, plastered posters everywhere and printed millions of special edition Nazi newspapers.

Germany was in the grip of the Great Depression with a population suffering from poverty, misery, and uncertainty, amid increasing political instability.

For Hitler, the master speech maker, the long awaited opportunity to let loose his talents on the German people had arrived. He would find in this downtrodden people, an audience very willing to listen. In his speeches, Hitler offered the Germans what they needed most, encouragement. He gave them heaps of vague promises while avoiding the details. He used simple catchphrases, repeated over and over.


A typical campaign scene with Nazi posters on display next to the Center Party, Communists, Socialists and others. Below: Repeated propaganda marches became a cheap and effective form of publicity - sometimes leading to violence between rival political groups. Hörst Wessel, pictured at the front, was killed during such a brawl in 1930 and raised to the status of a martyr by Nazis via the "Hörst Wessel" banner anthem.

His campaign appearances were carefully staged events. Audiences were always kept waiting, deliberately letting the tension increase, only to be broken by solemn processions of Brownshirts with golden banners, blaring military music, and finally the appearance of Hitler amid shouts of "Heil!" The effect in a closed in hall with theatrical style lighting and decorations of swastikas was overwhelming and very catching.

Hitler began each speech in low, hesitating tones, gradually raising the pitch and volume of his voice then exploding in a climax of frenzied indignation. He combined this with carefully rehearsed hand gestures for maximum effect. He skillfully played on the emotions of the audience bringing the level of excitement higher and higher until the people wound up a wide-eyed, screaming, frenzied mass that surrendered to his will and looked upon him with pseudo-religious adoration.

Hitler offered something to everyone: work to the unemployed; prosperity to failed business people; profits to industry; expansion to the Army; social harmony and an end of class distinctions to idealistic young students; and restoration of German glory to those in despair. He promised to bring order amid chaos; a feeling of unity to all and the chance to belong. He would make Germany strong again; end payment of war reparations to the Allies; tear up the treaty of Versailles; stamp out corruption; keep down Marxism; and deal harshly with the Jews.

[link:http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/riseofhitler/elect.htm|
 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
20. So holding campaign rallies makes one Hitleresque?
Sun Apr 23, 2017, 11:18 PM
Apr 2017

These sorts of comparisons are so overly broad that a lot of people could fit it.

For example in 2007 and 2008 we were in the midst of a significant economic downturn and a charismatic guy went around the country drumming up support. Obviously Obama = Hitler.

BSdetect

(8,989 posts)
17. The msm kept repeating that HRC was not popular which was a RW talking point.
Sun Apr 23, 2017, 10:01 PM
Apr 2017

They prattled the GOP line endlessly. Even Laurence O would let it fall out of his mouth.

This may seem like a small point but the trolls kept that crap repeating endlessly.

That and many other stupid ideas.

Well it all helped a maniac become POPTUS (along with other interferences and betrayals).

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
18. I wonder if any Trump voters refuse to admit they voted for him?
Sun Apr 23, 2017, 11:00 PM
Apr 2017

After all, there's no real control or verification for subjects who self-report.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
21. Additionally, I would suspect that some of the Clinton supporters who said they wouldn't vote
Sun Apr 23, 2017, 11:21 PM
Apr 2017

or would vote third party are saying that out of frustration that Clinton lost.

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