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Recursion

(56,582 posts)
Tue Apr 25, 2017, 09:35 PM Apr 2017

NC legislature invokes Article V, calls for Constitutional Convention of the States

Sorry, no link; this is from a journo friend of mine in NC who's in the gallery.

The North Carolina state legislature, a majority of whom represent districts that have been declared unconstitutionally gerrymandered and who must face snap elections this year, have called for a Constitutional Convention of the States.

This is the conservative endgame, btw: to end Constitutional government as we know it.

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NC legislature invokes Article V, calls for Constitutional Convention of the States (Original Post) Recursion Apr 2017 OP
not gonna happen still_one Apr 2017 #1
Because . . . elleng Apr 2017 #2
Gotta go with elleng there Recursion Apr 2017 #3
I don't think they will be able to get the required 34 states to go along with it still_one Apr 2017 #5
We have 22, now 23 tavalon Apr 2017 #22
They need 34 states in order for a Constitutional Convention to occur. I don't think they will be still_one Apr 2017 #4
Thanks. That makes sense, elleng Apr 2017 #7
I didn't know the entire background why the ERA failed. That's interesting. I know reagan still_one Apr 2017 #8
You're welcome. Schlafly made her name with it. elleng Apr 2017 #11
Well, the worms are eating her now, tavalon Apr 2017 #23
Please don't give up so easily tavalon Apr 2017 #24
Here's how it's to be done....... suston96 Apr 2017 #6
If this happened, it would be the end of the United States... First Speaker Apr 2017 #9
I agree with you still_one Apr 2017 #10
The country would Balkanize. roamer65 Apr 2017 #13
On a Positive Note With Climate Change-Canada Would be Warming Up Nicely by Then Stallion Apr 2017 #19
Yes, it would. herding cats Apr 2017 #27
I agree. One reason I wake up with anxiety every morning. mnhtnbb Apr 2017 #29
Somebody clue me in Zing Zing Zingbah Apr 2017 #12
A Constitutional Convention Could Re-Write the Constitution Stallion Apr 2017 #15
And what is the emergency? n/t Zing Zing Zingbah Apr 2017 #16
Their agenda LeftInTX Apr 2017 #26
Putin would live to see the US Ilsa Apr 2017 #18
Funny... the Republicans supposedly love the constitution so much Zing Zing Zingbah Apr 2017 #20
But Republicans hate the Constitutions case law. J_William_Ryan Apr 2017 #28
32 Repug Controlled State Legislatures & 33 Repug Governors MedusaX Apr 2017 #14
They need 34 states to call a convention gratuitous Apr 2017 #17
And they're terrifyingly close to that Recursion Apr 2017 #21
It's ongoing in Texas. It will pass because the Gov declares it an "Emergency Item" LeftInTX Apr 2017 #25
Get local everyone. Run for something. Support Dems everywhere MaeScott Apr 2017 #30

still_one

(92,061 posts)
4. They need 34 states in order for a Constitutional Convention to occur. I don't think they will be
Tue Apr 25, 2017, 09:47 PM
Apr 2017

able to pull that off

elleng

(130,727 posts)
7. Thanks. That makes sense,
Tue Apr 25, 2017, 09:53 PM
Apr 2017

likely 'difficult' to pull that off imo but 'The Equal Rights Amendment (ERA) is a proposed amendment to the United States Constitution designed to guarantee equal rights for all citizens regardless of gender; it seeks to end the legal distinctions between men and women in terms of divorce, property, employment, and other matters.[1] The ERA was originally written by Alice Paul and Crystal Eastman. The amendment was introduced in Congress for the first time in 1923 and has prompted conversations about the meaning of equality for women and men. In its early history, middle-class women were largely supportive, while those speaking for the working class were often opposed, arguing that employed women needed special protections regarding working conditions and employment hours. With the rise of the women's movement in the US in the 1960s, the ERA garnered increasing support, and, after being reintroduced by US Representative Martha Griffiths (D-MI), in 1971, it passed both houses of Congress in 1972 and was submitted to the state legislatures for ratification.

Congress had originally set a ratification deadline of March 22, 1979. Through 1977, the amendment received 35 of the necessary 38 state ratifications. With wide, bipartisan support (including that of both major political parties, both houses of Congress, and Presidents Ford and Carter)[2] it seemed headed for ratification until Phyllis Schlafly mobilized conservative women in opposition, arguing that the ERA would disadvantage housewives and cause women to be drafted into the military. [3] Four states rescinded their ratifications before the 1979 deadline. In 1978, a joint resolution of Congress extended the ratification deadline to June 30, 1982, but no further states ratified the amendment before that revised deadline.

In the years since the ERA failed to ratify, a number of organizations, including the Feminist Majority Foundation and the American Association of University Women, have continued to work for its adoption; the Women's March on Washington on January 21, 2017, brought renewed interest in and attention to the ERA, with moves to reintroduce legislation at the national level and ratify the Amendment in several states.'>>>

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal_Rights_Amendment

still_one

(92,061 posts)
8. I didn't know the entire background why the ERA failed. That's interesting. I know reagan
Tue Apr 25, 2017, 10:01 PM
Apr 2017

campaigned against it.

I didn't realize it almost made it. Really sad that it didn't

Thanks

tavalon

(27,985 posts)
24. Please don't give up so easily
Wed Apr 26, 2017, 02:06 AM
Apr 2017

We only started getting states last year and we are doing really well. We can and we will.

suston96

(4,175 posts)
6. Here's how it's to be done.......
Tue Apr 25, 2017, 09:51 PM
Apr 2017
U.S. Constitution

Article V

The Congress, whenever two thirds of both houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose amendments to this Constitution, or, on the application of the legislatures of two thirds of the several states, shall call a convention for proposing amendments, which, in either case, shall be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the legislatures of three fourths of the several states, or by conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other mode of ratification may be proposed by the Congress; provided that no amendment which may be made prior to the year one thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any manner affect the first and fourth clauses in the ninth section of the first article; and that no state, without its consent, shall be deprived of its equal suffrage in the Senate.
.

First Speaker

(4,858 posts)
9. If this happened, it would be the end of the United States...
Tue Apr 25, 2017, 10:06 PM
Apr 2017

...imagine our current political crisis, and square it. Our polity would crack under the strain; it would be 1861 again. It would either end up with one party dictatorship, anarchy, secession and the partition of the country, military dictatorships, or a civil war--not like our first one, but something halfway between Northern Ireland and Syria. Or endless permutations of all five scenarios. It would certainly mean the end of liberal democracy as we've known it, and the final nullification of the work of Lincoln and FDR.

roamer65

(36,744 posts)
13. The country would Balkanize.
Tue Apr 25, 2017, 10:11 PM
Apr 2017

NY and NE would join the Canadian confederation, along with many Great Lakes states.

mnhtnbb

(31,373 posts)
29. I agree. One reason I wake up with anxiety every morning.
Wed Apr 26, 2017, 06:47 AM
Apr 2017

The country hasn't been this divided since the Civil War. What we're seeing is the last gasp of patriarchal white power attempting
to maintain control. Republicans are willing to destroy the country to maintain their control. The weaknesses of our original
government set-up with the Electoral College and the unbalanced distribution of Representatives and Senators not based on equal population
has shown how minority rule can subvert the democratic majority simply based on geographical distribution of the population.

It's very scary to me to see this. I really fear for our future--and the future of the planet--because of the zeal of these Republicans
to dominate.

Stallion

(6,473 posts)
15. A Constitutional Convention Could Re-Write the Constitution
Tue Apr 25, 2017, 10:29 PM
Apr 2017

States Rights
Right to work
stronger 2nd Amendment
elimination of the Commerce Clause, Separation of Church/State
change the Electoral College
National religion/language

short list-you can only imagine

LeftInTX

(25,120 posts)
26. Their agenda
Wed Apr 26, 2017, 02:10 AM
Apr 2017

I think it can be much worse than the list above.
They can literally tear up the constitution and start from scratch.

Ilsa

(61,690 posts)
18. Putin would live to see the US
Tue Apr 25, 2017, 10:43 PM
Apr 2017

in turmoil over this and torn apart.

And the gop has been wanting to rewrite the constitution for decades. It's been their long game.

Zing Zing Zingbah

(6,496 posts)
20. Funny... the Republicans supposedly love the constitution so much
Tue Apr 25, 2017, 10:58 PM
Apr 2017

about much as they supposedly love the bible. Maybe they'll do a bible rewrite at the same time?

J_William_Ryan

(1,748 posts)
28. But Republicans hate the Constitutions case law.
Wed Apr 26, 2017, 06:36 AM
Apr 2017

Case law that acknowledges the privacy rights of women, the equal protection rights of gay Americans, the voting rights of minorities, and necessary, proper regulatory measures that keep the air and water clean and that keep workers safe in the workplace.

MedusaX

(1,129 posts)
14. 32 Repug Controlled State Legislatures & 33 Repug Governors
Tue Apr 25, 2017, 10:20 PM
Apr 2017
http://m.dailykos.com/story/2016/11/14/1598918/-Republicans-now-dominate-state-government-with-32-legislatures-and-33-governors


This is likely the only chance they have ...
There are 39 governorships up for the 2018 election
(36 states /3 territories)
24 repugs & 1 independent &14 Dems currently....

Repugs cannot afford to lose any states ... and need to flip about 4 or 5 of the 14 Dem states in order to Ratify at a Constitutional Convention....

But they only need 1or 2 Dem or Indep. Govs to join them (before 2018 election) in order to Convene a Convention

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
17. They need 34 states to call a convention
Tue Apr 25, 2017, 10:41 PM
Apr 2017

And then they need votes in 38 states to ratify any proposed amendments. This would be a very long game.

LeftInTX

(25,120 posts)
25. It's ongoing in Texas. It will pass because the Gov declares it an "Emergency Item"
Wed Apr 26, 2017, 02:09 AM
Apr 2017

He will hold special sessions until everyone is blue in the face.

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