Forget any particular personalities or candidates...no reason we can't all be for THESE basic things

[Ken Burch]

Last edited Sun Apr 30, 2017, 07:32 AM - Edit history (2)

(on edit: this OP is about broadstroke philosophy, and is NOT intended as a substitute for policy specifics. Nor would it leave at room for anyone to be thrown under the bus).

We should be pro-worker and anti-corporate(or at least not corporate-deferential)on economics, pro-liberation/anti-oppression on social justice issues, pro-planet on environmental issues, pro-peace(or at least anti-nuclear and much less pro-military intervention)on foreign policy.

We don't need to exclude ANYBODY who's been screwed over by the status quo.

We can fight for those who lost jobs and dignity in the post-1981 economy(and that's folks of ALL races, genders, and identities, btw)AND with equal passion fight for those in danger of losing rights, freedom, and in some cases physical safety due to social oppression.

It never needed to be either/or.

It doesn't need to be either/or now.

It has nothing to do with which side anyone was on in 2015-2016.

And it doesn't have to do with whoever we nominate in three years.

[pnwmom]

1. Not pro-universal health care? Not pro-ERA? Not pro-choice? Not pro civil rights?

I don't think "pro-liberation/anti oppression" covers all of these.

[JI7]

2. yup, the anti choice crowd would easily use those terms

for their own position by saying they are defending the defneseless unborn. and many libertarians are anti choice or don't care about abortion rights .

[Ken Burch]

4. "anti-oppression", though, always means pro-choice, pro-ERA, pro-LGBTQ and pro-civil rights.

n/t.

[Ken Burch]

3. Those would be included if I'd been talking about specific policies

All of us here, whoever we backed in the primaries support everything you listed there.

[Demsrule86]

5. You think this is a primary issue...it is not...

The primary is over. Sen. Sanders made comments recently that were anti-Democratic Party,criticized President Obama and endorsed two anti-choice candidates who voted against choice while holding office (Perriello and Mello). This is not about issue that Democrats agree on or don't agree on.

[Ken Burch]

6. I don't actually agree with what Bernie making those endorsements

My point is we need to be past the idea of tying anything to any personality.

I'm talking about what we as a party, regardless of who any of us backed in the primary, should be about.

What he, as an individual, said doesn't discredit the economic justice movement as a whole.

It doesn't mean Sanders values on those issues shouldn't be welcome in this party.

The overwhelming majority(I'd say 95% or better)of Sanders supporters are in agreement with the social justice agenda(and want to add a fight against poverty and a real effort to address the effects of historic redlining to the conservative, non-egalitarian version of that agenda the party establishment claims to support). There's no division between former HRC and former Sanders people on that, whatever Bernie happened to say.

[Demsrule86]

7. I simply can not do this when the Democratic party is criticized relentlessly.