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Little-Noted Provision of GOP Health Bill Could Alter Employer PlansLast-minute amendment would allow states to obtain waivers from certain Affordable Care Act requirements
https://www.wsj.com/articles/little-noted-provision-of-gop-health-bill-could-alter-employer-plans-1493890203
How big a deal is this? ITS HUGE.
https://thinkprogress.org/trumpcare-employer-coverage-5f19af287320
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also important:
The emergency justifying this rushed vote is:
Leadership doesn't want members to hear from constituents over recess
https://www.vox.com/2017/5/3/15531702/ahca-republicans-lying
JUST IN: ObamaCare repeal bill contains exemption for members of Congress and their staffs
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/331867-republicans-can-exempt-themselves-from-obamacare-rollbacks-in-new-legislation?rnd=1493866040
and this:
The bill cuts about a trillion dollars in funding for healthcare while cutting taxes for the top 2% by about the same amount.
Link to tweet
and this too:
A Little-Noticed Target in the House Health Bill: Special Education
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/03/us/politics/health-bill-medicaid-special-education-affordable-care-act.html?smid=tw-share
Freethinker65
(10,008 posts)Lucky Luciano
(11,252 posts)bronxiteforever
(9,287 posts)Public welfare. Everyone of the GOP ghouls that vote for this abomination should have a democratic challenger in 2018. Show these creatures for what they really are.
2018 the purge!
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)One of the clearest illustrations ever of how many people must suffer so one person can be wealthy beyond imagination of those suffering to prop them up.
Link to tweet
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Whatever happened to checks and balances? This is criminal and should NEVER be allowed to happen.
Motownman78
(491 posts)against you if you control all 3 branches of government.
spanone
(135,815 posts)of course, is their game. To let employers off the hook for coverage and to destroy overtime pay, take away vacation time, on and on.
They are going to destroy everything that workers and unions have striven and died for.
Wake the F*** up republican workers!
Someone posted this analogy yesterday and while crude, it is spot on...
A billionaire a white man and a black man are sitting at a table. On the table is a box of a dozen doughnuts. The Billionaire grabs eleven doughnuts and then says to the white man..."That n***** wants to steal your doughnut."
This is exactly how they have divided this nation. It cannot stand. WE MUST UNITE AND RIGHT NOW!
Baitball Blogger
(46,697 posts)These people are either inhuman or incredibly incompetent.
justhanginon
(3,289 posts)doing and what the consequences will be for a vast number of their constituents. These disgusting filthy vermin simply don't care while they are in many cases going to be personally responsible for people dying from lack of care. But they must do the bidding of their millionaire and billionare republican conservative donors. That is what their lives are all about. Money, money, money.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Who's the REAL terrorist threat in your lives today America???
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)I can't say more than that or I will get banned and possibly get a visit from the FBI.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)I have no doubt!
Doreen
(11,686 posts)Eyeball_Kid
(7,430 posts)You wanted someone in DC to "shake things up". And you were fine with the notion that it could be YOU that gets shaken up, eh?
Now you voted to let the GOP take control, and now you're getting what you always wanted. See? They're taking control, and they're telling YOU to die quickly and soon because most of you don't really count. You don't make over 200k and you can't afford to dump thousands into the GOP. So you now qualify to be tossed into the trash. But that's where you always wanted to go with Trumpy. Being killed and buried by the GOP/Trumpy's policies gives all of you a sense of self respect.
world wide wally
(21,739 posts)or something, and the beyond stupid GOP voters eat up their bullshit. They play this card over and over and they don't give a shit about anybody's lives if they or their big donors don't stand to make money off of it. It makes them all feel so ."holy".
I don't blame the slimed politicians for playing this con game as much as I blame the voters that reward them for playing.
blueseas
(11,575 posts)Except, now we too have to live with their choice.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)the billionaires.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)BigmanPigman
(51,582 posts)The Repub are insulting the Dems and are condescending and sarcastic. They are name calling, smarmy, and mocking. And they are bold faced lying with such zeal. It's too disgusting to watch. They are going to vote YES if this is a sneak peak into how they will vote.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Republicans have never cared about pre-existing conditions, they only care about giving billionaires a trillion dollar tax cut.
mahatmakanejeeves
(57,376 posts)Little-Noted This this is big. Provision of GOP Health Bill Could Alter Employer Plans - WSJ
Link to tweet
If you get health insurance through your employer, here's one way the GOP's plan could affect you
Link to tweet
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)SDJay
(1,089 posts)If someone, or a gang of evil MFers as it were, stole all of the diabetes medication in the United States, putting millions in danger, the entire country would shut down until they were found and brought to justice.
Yet these scum are doing this at least somewhat out in the open, placing millions of people directly in harm's way.
What's even more sickening is that the same rubes who voted for these traitors - at least some of whom are on the Russian payroll - will vote for them again next year.
It's like something out of some cheap dystopian novel.
dhill926
(16,334 posts)flamingdem
(39,312 posts)It's collective Repuke suicide, that's the only silver lining
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)I cannot believe that these bastards can be so evil and still live with themselves!
Voltaire2
(12,995 posts)They are going to inflict pain and suffering and they are going to gloat and brag about it.
Locrian
(4,522 posts)that it's getting to a point for me that I will not be able to retire in the US. I'll have to live somewhere and hope the local cost of medical is at least affordable. My wife thinks I'm joking.....
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)maryellen99
(3,788 posts)I'm pretty sure we are going to be dropped from his employer insurance plan.
riversedge
(70,182 posts)strong.
maryellen99
(3,788 posts)CrispyQ
(36,445 posts)We need a nationwide What Would Jesus Do campaign to call out these fake Christians & their supporters.
calimary
(81,189 posts)That's the one about "whatever you do to the least of these, you do to Me."
When's the last time you can remember EVER hearing ANY of these sanctimonious hypocrites quoting from THAT Scripture passage?
CrispyQ
(36,445 posts)The American-Christo-Fascists have turned it on it's head & believe that wealth indicates that God is pleased with you. You can almost tell what kind of Christian someone is by which party they identify with.
calimary
(81,189 posts)I was force-fed the idea of "noblesse oblige" when I was a kid. It wasn't referred to as that, though. Too hoidy-toidy. But my mother damn near worshipped the Kennedys. The simplicity of their style, the elegance, the understated everything, the high ideals, the charity, the altruism, the concern about working, serving, and advocating for the greater good, all that stuff. I think she really admired that family because their ungodly riches motivated them to give back, as much as they could. To GIVE BACK. Because God gave you a LOT. If you're greatly blessed that way, you're supposed to GIVE BACK. Much blessed, much obligated.
Anybody notice how how many members of that wealthy generation of Kennedys, "elitist" patricians, old wealth beyond imagining (such that each of the many Kennedy sons and daughters was gifted with a million bucks when they got married), went into PUBLIC SERVICE? How they went into government, served in the Senate, served in the White House, served the disabled, founded the Special Olympics, fought and advocated for those not as blessed as they were? Anybody notice that? They SERVED. They could have just frivoled their money away shopping and posing and being fawned over and living large and just enjoying life, or running their own businesses or building their own empires that financially benefit only themselves, and that's that. Nope. That's not what John and Bobby and Ted and Kathleen and Eunice and Jean and the rest of 'em spent their lives doing. They didn't just sit back, fat 'n' sassy, and do nothing. They led, they inspired, they motivated, and they GAVE - of their time, talents, and resources - when they certainly didn't have to. But their parents Joseph and Rose instilled this in them - that their many blessings made them OBLIGATED to help others less blessed. They were OBLIGATED. And they recognized, acknowledged, and complied with that.
That's what I always liked about Prince Charles. Now THERE'S some noblesse oblige. The signet ring he wears on his pinkie carries his personal motto - "I serve." And those royals with all that money and those palaces and those servants and horses and carriages and world-class jewels - they all sponsor charities galore, and make a few hundred appearances a year, lending their names and their clout and their star power and their glamour and their patronage to bring attention to organizations and causes that benefit the needy. And they don't just do it on some fancy gala night. They do it all the time, all year round. And in their case, on several continents.
Seems to me THAT'S what you should do if you're blessed with great wealth. Or do like Richard Branson and Elon Musk and Tom Steyer are doing with their wealth - using it to help, to improve life on earth, using it to improve life for people - everyday folks and those in need, to move us forward in the wise use of resources and custodianship of our Earth.
THAT'S what you should do if you're blessed with great wealth. Turn it around on others and use it to HELP THEM. And SERVE THEM.
That sure ain't the trumps.
Volaris
(10,269 posts)That old joe made the first of his money illegally during prohibition, was pretty average before that, and never forgot what the difference was. When you trade in illicit goods and services, you get yourself connected to the 'Common Man' pretty much by necessity, and he never forgot who those people were.
Trump has been bankrupt like 3 times, but he aint never been broke a day in his worthless life. And it shows.
calimary
(81,189 posts)And perhaps there was also a little guilt attached? Because old Joe made his money in a rather iffy way - maybe they felt obligated to do penance? That would certainly be a Catholic thing. Faith and good works - the dynamic duo of the Catholic belief tapestry.
kpete
(71,981 posts)Oneironaut
(5,491 posts)What a jokester!
IronLionZion
(45,410 posts)GOP is going to kill their own voters
Doreen
(11,686 posts)Pardon me for my hateful statement but at this time that is how I feel.
MontanaMama
(23,301 posts)I'll say it again: Americans must feel the pain of losing their loved ones, their homes, their financial stability and all they hold dear before they will understand the hell they've unleashed on themselves, their neighbors and this nation. And, quite frankly, they've got it coming. Tragically, those of us who understood the high stakes before the election are going to suffer irreparably right along with them.
Fucking idiots.
YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)The stumbling block for single payer has always been so many get their insurance through work. This bill changes that and may lead to single payer but at what cost? Both hubs and I have pre-existing and as do three out of 4 kids. Pre-existing = anything that the insurance doesn't want to cover.
riversedge
(70,182 posts)keithbvadu2
(36,731 posts)"gut employer plans" - Not for themselves...
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Pass this on --- repeatedly
(Republican Congressman) voted for special benefits/treatment for himself and his family.
https://www.vox.com/2017/4/25/15429982/gop-exemption-ahca-amendment
Republicans exempt their own insurance from their latest health care proposal
Republican legislators want to keep popular Obamacare provisions for themselves and their staff.
BigDemVoter
(4,149 posts)After all, they saddled every one of us with that stupid motherfucker.
Demtexan
(1,588 posts)The red state republicans will suffer a lot.
So be it.
It is not fair we have to suffer to.
Mountain Mule
(1,002 posts)We Dems need to clobber the Republican House big time in the 2018 midterms. I am disabled and I am forced to rely on Medicaid for my healthcare. If I lose my healthcare, I won't be long for this world. Just when I think I can't get any more angry than what I already am, yet another atrocity shows up.