Will Mitch McConnell cheat/change the rules to pass the ACHA in the Senate?

[TeamPooka]

Like he did to get a new SCOTUS justice placed on the court?
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[Lochloosa]

1. I don't think even Mitch is that stupid

But I could be wrong.

[OnDoutside]

16. He.doesn't.care.

[JDC]

22. This is the most accurate, on point thing I've read today.

In this context

[still_one]

29. Even if he doesn't care, he doesn't have the votes from other republicans to

disable the filibuster for legislation in the Senate, and as diabolical and evil as these assholes are, he isn't going to stick his neck out on this pathetic excuse for healthcare.

McCain, Graham, Collins, Ben Sasse, Murkowsi, Flake, and there are others including Rubio believe it or not, who will not remove the legislative filibuster, especially for the asshole who occupies the WH, but also because they realize the consequences.

[OnDoutside]

33. I'd love to think you are right, but these are completely amoral b'stards. McCain,

Graham and Sasse, I could see be bought off, at the very least.

[ATL Ebony]

40. Stupid or not, he'll change make any changes to advance his party.

[NightWatcher]

2. Will the assholes be assholes again?

When someone shows you who they are believe them the first time.

[IADEMO2004]

17. Best reply

[Initech]

3. Oh you know they're planning it already.

[mvd]

4. He'd try. But holding out hope there won't be the votes

After all, this is even more dangerous than the Supreme Court rule change.

[still_one]

30. They won't have the votes mvd to remove the legislative filibutster. There are

enough Senate republicans who will not give that potential power to trump, and they also recognize that at sometime they will be the minority party, an payback really sucks

[cynatnite]

5. They'll pull all the stops out. Chances are 50/50 on this.

I'm up for a mobilization. Maybe a trip to DC is in order.

[Jno_Gilmor_]

6. If he does...hello single payer in 2020...

[NewDealProgressive]

7. No, they'll just use reconciliation.

It's a giant tax cut for the rich so they're allowed to use reconciliation to pass it.

I'm pretty sure that's how we passed it in the first place.

This is just such a tragedy.

[mvd]

8. There some items that may not pass that test

The pre-existing conditions changes, for example. Hopefully Schumer is savvy enough to find a lot more.

[WePurrsevere]

10. Schumer doesn't think it will pass in the Senate...

Hopefully he's right...

GOP leadership also faces a narrow path if the legislation reaches the Senate. Under the rules of "reconciliation," they can only lose two GOP senators and still pass the bill, because no Democrats are expected to support it.

But Schumer warned the House legislation only has a "small" chance of survival in the Senate and could run into a procedural buzzsaw because of the Byrd rule, which governs legislation passed under the special budget rules Republicans are using to pass the healthcare legislation. To pass muster, legislation must be primarily focused on addressing the deficit, which is why only provisions that have a budgetary impact can be included.

"The amendment to allow states to drop pre-existing condition requirements, for instance, very possibly violates the Byrd rule. If the moderate group in the House gets an additional amendment to the deal with the very same issue, that may violate the Byrd rule as well," Schumer said.

http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/331730-schumer-house-obamacare-repeal-bill-cant-pass-senate

[mvd]

11. Thanks for this!

[WePurrsevere]

14. You're very welcome! nt

[WillowTree]

20. That's my guess.

[karynnj]

25. We passed the MAIN Obamacare bill with 60 votes

It has been a Republican distortion that it under reconciliation. It passed the Senate and because Scott Brown was elected, the House passed it AS IS so it went straight to Obama. Near the same time, a bill with some changes and a college loan change passed under reconciliation.

This Is Wordy AND complicated, But It Is IMPORTANT to never not correct people on that because as you stated that might be what they want to do.

[NewDealProgressive]

27. Thanks.

I'll be sure to remind everyone.

[karynnj]

28. Thanks. Nt

[smirkymonkey]

9. McConnell is 75 years old.

One of my greatest hopes is that I live long enough to read his obituary. The odds are good.

[BannonsLiver]

15. Read it? Hell, I hope to live long enough to piss all over his grave.

[smirkymonkey]

18. LOL!

Love your screen name btw!

[OnDoutside]

19. Don't think that doesn't actually happen !

One our "greatest" crooked politicians here in Ireland was a guy called Charles J Haughey who was responsible for leading the most corrupt party, had it done to his grave....

[BannonsLiver]

21. I love the Irish

Visited in 2015. Beautiful country and people, except for the plonker i had to set straight on Obama (he brought it up).

When Maggie died they danced in the streets in London. Clips are on YouTube as well. Fascinating to watch. I sort of wish we were more like that, honestly. They don't mince words.

[OnDoutside]

23. Most (like myself) are very much pro the Democratic Party, you were unlucky.

[BannonsLiver]

24. Yes, the people were fantastic

And this guy wasn't that difficult to set straight. I think he knew he was outgunned about 10 seconds after he brought up PBO.

[Guilded Lilly]

12. He is a bastard and a Republican. Of course he will.

[BlueJac]

13. Tools are used daily!

[Proud Liberal Dem]

26. He will be under TREMENDOUS pressure by Trump and his minions to pass this

OTOH I'm not entirely sure how many Republicans actually want to stick their neck out for such a POS bill, especially once the CBO score comes in and we find out exactly how much worse the House Republicans have made it since the last CBO score, which was pretty awful. If the Republicans decide that they really want this to get through, however, they will lie, cheat, and steal to get it through and there may not be much Democrats can do about it. The best scenario is that Democrats are able to filibuster it to death (no way that Republicans will find Democrats to give them 60 votes on this) and then McConnell can just throw up his hands and blame Democrats and let the matter rest. I'm actually hoping for this scenario because we can't count on Republicans refusing to vote against it out of an attack of conscience/concern for the poor and sick.

[wildeyed]

35. McConnell and the majority of Senate GOP don't give a shit about Trump.

They got their Supreme Court pick. That was the main goal. They know that Trump is a helpless political neophyte and wildly unpopular with most voters. I doubt they would cross the street to pee on him if he was on fire, unless there was something in it for them.

What does he have that they really want at this point? Burr and a few others seem beholden. I dunno. There might be something, but can't think of what.

[bbrady42]

31. Yes he will.

I don't think he'll end the filibuster over it, that's been too good to Republicans over the years to let go. But will he fudge the rules to allow them to use reconciliation when it's not applicable? You bet he will.

[BSdetect]

32. Of course, he will. Obstruct, disrupt, delay, deny, destroy. In any order.

[wildeyed]

34. No. It diminishes the Senate even more.

They ARE embarrassed about that, but they thought it was worth it to get the SC pick. If they trash the legislative filibuster, they are just the House with longer terms. It pricks their egos.

The other thing, it benefits the Dems in the longterm. GOP knows that Dems will regain control soon and will likely do away with the leg filibuster anyway so they can pass a shit-ton of liberal social policy. Can you imagine how awesome O-care would have been if we didn't have to get 60%? And citizens like socialistic entitlement policy once they actually have it. So the GOP is doing us a favor if they get rid of the filibuster completely. If Dems do it, it looks like tit-for-tat, we did it but they did it too. If GOP does it, they own it all. That is a good thing, from a purely political POV.

McConnell is a shit, but he is not stupid and he controls his caucus, at least so far. The Turtle is too formidable a political foe to deal his party such a self-inflicted wound. Another note, my shitty Senator, Thom Tillis has already come out against it. He is a wily back-bencher. He doesn't talk that much, but he is also not stupid. If he says no, pretty sure that means there is strong sentiment against.

[no_hypocrisy]

36. False question

To pass the ACHA, the Senate only needs a simple majority vote of 51. Filibuster votes of 60 are not relevant in this situation.

Now if Mitch wants to change the Constitution to make republicans a permanent majority, or alternatively if they have a minority vote, they win anyway, let him knock himself out.

[TeamPooka]

37. There is some doubt that this bill as passed by HOR qualifies for reconciliation.

[moonscape]

38. The only thing I've learned since this nightmare began, is

that my powers of prediction could not be detected with the Hubble telescope.

[TeamPooka]

39. hahaha Same here.