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deminks

(11,014 posts)
Sun May 7, 2017, 08:41 AM May 2017

Malcolm Nance: 'This Goes Even Deeper Than I First Thought'

http://crooksandliars.com/2017/05/malcolm-nance-mike-flynn-goes-even-deeper

What a tangled web we weave! AM Joy panelists discuss the latest news that the Trump transition team tried to deter National Security Adviser Michael Flynn from meeting with the Russian ambassador.

Joy asked her panelists whether the Trump transition team may have thought Michael Flynn was just naive about Russia. "Maybe he didn't know who they were and who [Ambassador] Sergey Kislyak was. Does that ring true to you?" she said.

Malcolm Nance didn't mince words,

"If I was a counter-intelligence team tasked out on watching behaviors of General Flynn and thinking there was some suspicion about him or the people around him and that he may, in fact, be manipulated, the one thing I would watch out for is these behaviors when these sanctions were implemented," he said.

(snip)

"This story is very, very much deeper than I thought it was before. I thought the guy was just an unwitting asset. Now it's starting to lead, to make us wonder, was he actually recruited, actually working for a foreign intelligence agency."

(end snip)

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Malcolm Nance: 'This Goes Even Deeper Than I First Thought' (Original Post) deminks May 2017 OP
republicans snuggling up with the warm, fuzzy evil empire* of russia Achilleaze May 2017 #1
The Emerging Worldwide Alliance of Parties on the Far Right, Led by Vladimir Putin and Donald Trump Achilleaze May 2017 #3
And supported by the billionaire Mercers, Trump's moneybags, who also tblue37 May 2017 #13
Please post this as an OP. Thanks for the link. Hekate May 2017 #17
Keep digging Nance --and Thank you riversedge May 2017 #2
K&R... spanone May 2017 #4
Why NatCrisis response docs? Assume Espionage. Plus, the VIDEO: L. Coyote May 2017 #5
Those NatCrisis docs would be the plans that the tRump team copied at the Sec Info Facility & took Bernardo de La Paz May 2017 #8
+ 1 Achilleaze May 2017 #9
Can someone explain to me... Zoonart May 2017 #11
If it can't be proved to be abysmally stupid carelessness then, yes, it is treason. Bernardo de La Paz May 2017 #12
We can guess who wanted that infomation. Demtexan May 2017 #19
Hey @MalcolmNance 'Who is FancyBear' L. Coyote May 2017 #6
Nance reminds us of bigger threats related to #APT28 like happened w/ Ukrainian Power Plants L. Coyote May 2017 #7
Fancy Bear was one of two hacking groups that hacked in 2016, Russian, other was Cozy Bear Bernardo de La Paz May 2017 #10
Except the reference isn't to a group or persons per se, rather to a malware program. L. Coyote May 2017 #22
I almost never watch video unless it is well recommended (explained why) but ... Bernardo de La Paz May 2017 #23
So, you still need to watch the video. L. Coyote May 2017 #24
Since you have not provided a counter argument, my proposed explanation stands. Bernardo de La Paz May 2017 #25
FB has the stank of anti-democracy freakin fascist rotgut Achilleaze May 2017 #15
That doesnt surprise me. I think there will be people jailed for being spies AgadorSparticus May 2017 #14
Isn't it illegal... 2naSalit May 2017 #16
Yes, you have to ask permission of DefDept before the event & before taking the money. Flynn neither Bernardo de La Paz May 2017 #20
Thanks... 2naSalit May 2017 #21
Huge kick and rec Hekate May 2017 #18
I'm impatient. I hope they have more than just Flynn spooky3 May 2017 #26
Not deeper than I thought. This Administration is up to its eyeballs with the Russian MOB. Trump did WinkyDink May 2017 #27

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
1. republicans snuggling up with the warm, fuzzy evil empire* of russia
Sun May 7, 2017, 08:57 AM
May 2017

so they can perpetrate Acts of War** against the USA. deplorable. traitorous.

An abomination against America.

* per ronald reagan
* per dick cheney

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
3. The Emerging Worldwide Alliance of Parties on the Far Right, Led by Vladimir Putin and Donald Trump
Sun May 7, 2017, 09:01 AM
May 2017


April 27, 2017 - The Asia-Pacific Journal

"Political parties on the far right are today enjoying a surge of support and access to government power that they have not experienced since their heyday in the 1930s.

"This phenomenon is particularly striking in Europe, where massive migration, sluggish economic growth, and terrorism have stirred up zealous nationalism and Islamophobia, but it resonates through large areas of the world including the Asia-Pacific...

"...Other far right parties in Europe, although striving for greater respectability, also provide reminders of 1920s- and 1930s-style fascism..."

Full article at http://apjjf.org/2017/09/Wittner.html
3


tblue37

(65,226 posts)
13. And supported by the billionaire Mercers, Trump's moneybags, who also
Sun May 7, 2017, 10:38 AM
May 2017

fund Breitbart and who inserted Steve Bannon and Kelleyanne Conway into Trump's campaign and into our government's highest levels.

They also funded Brexit and seem to be helping LePen.

Evil people trying to nazify the whole world.

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,955 posts)
8. Those NatCrisis docs would be the plans that the tRump team copied at the Sec Info Facility & took
Sun May 7, 2017, 09:26 AM
May 2017

It was an item in the last two or three days that tRump's minions on the transition team made copies of secret documents at a secure information facility and took them away. The Obama administration got so concerned that they stopped their access and made them come to the White House to view those documents. They included documents about how the US would make emergency responses to crises.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029021909
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-transition-sensitive-information_us_590dd2bce4b0e7021e981d2b

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,955 posts)
12. If it can't be proved to be abysmally stupid carelessness then, yes, it is treason.
Sun May 7, 2017, 10:03 AM
May 2017

Those documents need to be fully accounted for, tracked down, recovered, and all their movements traced along with all who may have come in contact with them. It must be discovered if they were subsequently scanned or digitally deposited on a computer, which would then be open to hacking, including silent hacking.

How did the tRump operative make the copies and how did she/he take them away? USB stick? That would be suposedly searched for and wanded for. Pocket computer camera (with phone app)? Those are expressly forbidden. Photocopies? What's a copy machine doing in the secure facility?

Very strange doings all round.

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,955 posts)
10. Fancy Bear was one of two hacking groups that hacked in 2016, Russian, other was Cozy Bear
Sun May 7, 2017, 09:29 AM
May 2017
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fancy_Bear
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cozy_Bear

Formerly called

APT28
Pawn Storm
Sofacy Group
Sednit
STRONTIUM
Tsar Team
Threat Group-4127
Grizzly Steppe (when combined with Cozy Bear)

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
22. Except the reference isn't to a group or persons per se, rather to a malware program.
Sun May 7, 2017, 12:06 PM
May 2017

That was the point of the video you may not have watched.

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,955 posts)
23. I almost never watch video unless it is well recommended (explained why) but ...
Sun May 7, 2017, 12:14 PM
May 2017

{... explained why it is better than reading written information on the topic, which is usually (but not always) a more powerful, more efficient medium that facilitates skimming and reviewing and mental retention.}

I was not encouraged to watch that video so I did not.

Without watching it, I expect that the phrase "FancyBear malware" is simply an abbreviated expression for "the collection of malware programs and malware tools that the Fancy Bear operation uses and may have shared online".

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
24. So, you still need to watch the video.
Sun May 7, 2017, 12:31 PM
May 2017

The reason the video is posted is BECAUSE it is not only recommended for viewing but integral to the post.

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,955 posts)
25. Since you have not provided a counter argument, my proposed explanation stands.
Sun May 7, 2017, 12:38 PM
May 2017

You haven't even deigned to discuss the point about abbreviated speech. So be it.

Further, of course the video is recommended. You posted it! That's you there, commending it to our attention by pressing the "post" button.

But you have not sold the video by summarizing it and explaining what is unique about it and how it might be more informative than an article or other written material on the topic. I see no reason why I should view it rather than read something I find on the internet. I understood the Original Post quite well without viewing any videos.

AgadorSparticus

(7,963 posts)
14. That doesnt surprise me. I think there will be people jailed for being spies
Sun May 7, 2017, 10:45 AM
May 2017

How can they not be spies when they take money? No American general will associate with Russia, our ENEMY, unless he has sold out.

2naSalit

(86,323 posts)
16. Isn't it illegal...
Sun May 7, 2017, 11:15 AM
May 2017

for a General in our armed forces, retired or not, to take money from a foreign government for the rest of their life?

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,955 posts)
20. Yes, you have to ask permission of DefDept before the event & before taking the money. Flynn neither
Sun May 7, 2017, 11:47 AM
May 2017

Flynn did neither. Never asked. Only dealt with the issue after he was called out on it.

2naSalit

(86,323 posts)
21. Thanks...
Sun May 7, 2017, 11:52 AM
May 2017

that's what I thought but so much has whizzed by lately that my aging brain is sometimes not sure of what it's heard.

spooky3

(34,405 posts)
26. I'm impatient. I hope they have more than just Flynn
Sun May 7, 2017, 12:43 PM
May 2017

In their sights. He's expendable and no longer in office. The entire treasonous cabal needs to be brought down, and the sooner, the better.

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
27. Not deeper than I thought. This Administration is up to its eyeballs with the Russian MOB. Trump did
Mon May 8, 2017, 08:52 AM
May 2017

construction deals with these criminals in NYC, then around the world. They include Putin and other oligarchs, bankers, etc.

But he put himself and his offspring into deep, life-threatening debt (literally. We have seen proof that the Russians don't play).

How could Trump pay up?

By offering the U.S. Our wealth, our security.

And Putin, Inc., knew how to arrange this.

Have Russian agents in place (Flynn, Pence, McConnell, Manafort, Bannon, ....).

Hack computers, including voting machines.

Hand-pick Exxon CEO Tillerson to make sure the half-trillion dollar oil deal finally goes through, after Trump lifts Obama's sanctions against Russia.

Funnel drug/human trafficking money to organizations that would "lobby" Ryan, Mulvaney, etc., to pass Bills enriching the 1%. AKA, treasonous money-laundering for the Russian (and Kazakh, etc.) Mob.

Treason. RICO crimes. Money-laundering. Bribe-taking.

But above all, TREASON.

Were we still a morally courageous nation, men would HANG.

To reiterate: The prize is, in no uncertain terms, the United States. The. United. States.

Millions have died in wars for this prize. We are now living not just in dangerous times; we are living in THE most dangerous time.



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