Another shout-out to Stein and the BoBs and other far left idiots who brought us here.

[DanTex]

Still think there's no difference between the parties? Still think Trump is a harmless clown? Still think Hillary is the "corrupt" one? That fear of Trump is no reason to cast a vote?

Future FBI director Giuliani/Himmler thanks you for your help.


PS: yes, I'm going to keep posting about the far left every time Trump does something horrible. I'm not going to forget how destructive these people are.

[still_one]

1. I'm sorry Dan, but Greenwald, Stein, and Assange have assured us there was no Russian connection

[DanTex]

3. LOL. It's gonna be interesting what kind of spin the far left comes up with to defend this one.

[still_one]

4. They will be very quiet as though nothing has happened

[Cha]

10. Ah yes.. the Pawns for putin.. they would be

ordered to go into denial mode for all they're worth.

[still_one]

13. after all they did get a free dinner

[dalton99a]

17. +1

[emulatorloo]

60. Thanks for posting n/t

[Gothmog]

76. The poster on JPR have also assured us that the Russians are innocent

[nycbos]

2. Of course there is no difference between the parties.

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Something something Hillary is a neoliberal, warmonger, corporatist, would have started a war with Russia. Something something.





The people you mention are too brainless to tell the difference.

[pablo_marmol]

58. "two brainless"?

Oooops.

[Ninsianna]

66. They seem to have problems reading all the words, and enjoy reacting reflexively.

Poor literacy, poor information gathering and knee jerk reactions are what characterize the extremists, it's probably why they're so easily ratfucked, manipulated, propagandized and why they seem to have been quoting each other so often.

I'm not sure if its deliberate, or if they're just lazy, but the frequency with which they engage in this behavior all over the internet is troubling. Even more so when they flagrantly project their own actions onto anyone and everyone who challenges them. It would be amusing if the consequences were not so appalling.

[arthritisR_US]

97. What you are describing is the reptilian brain, our primitive brain which is

all they appear to be able to access.

[Kahuna7]

85. Not to mention: We need a reason to vote for Democrats...

[Merlot]

5. Nope. They didn't bring us here.

The media. commie. Years of planning on the part of repubs. racism. Those things brought us here.

While I may not agree with or like the steins of our world, they have every right to their viewpoint. Telling them to get in line and vote a certain way - how is that different from repubs or dictator ships around the world.

Theyare entitled to their opinion and vote. We have bigger fish to fry.

ps.I don't blame the left for what is a HUGE story about treason and colusion on the right. What the right wing did is FAR more damaging than anything differing viewpoints on the left did.

[DanTex]

7. Yes, they did. I agree, the right is worse than the far left.

But the far left has now put two Republicans into the White House in 16 years. And this one is Trump. I'd say that's some pretty big fish-frying.

Yeah, the Steins have every right to their worldview, as do the racist alt-rightists. And I have every right to criticize both of them for their support of GOP.

[Bradical79]

29. Lets point out who they really support

Vladimir Putin and his far right dictatorship. That's the common thread here. Stein was involved with Russia herself. Many of the far left BoBers were Russophiles who constantly downplayed anything negative about Russia and embraced obvious Russian propaganda. They listened to Russian sources and fake news more than they listened to Bernie himself. Basically, they aren't some sideshow scape goat or people we have a slight disagreement with.

Jill Stein should be lumped into the same group as Flynn and the rest of the traitors. I don't think she did what she did because of the common "both parties are the same" fallacy. I think it was corruption and malice just like General Flynn. I don't know what she tells herself to sleep at night, but she's an ally of a regime that supports murder of non-heterosexuals, violence against women, and many other crimes that would disgust any real lefty. Maybe she was a legit liberal at some point, but today she's a fraud who sold out to fascists.

[skylucy]

52. +++++Bingo!

[arthritisR_US]

98. I'm with you and echo your praise! nt

[Gothmog]

78. Nader gave us Bush and Stein/the BOB idiots gave us trump

Trump may be far worst than W

[Bradical79]

33. Stein was involved

Not some lefty with a differing viewpoint. Why some are ignoring the evidence is beyond me. She did her job for Putin, just like Trump's people did theirs. Russia helped fund her, she defended and distracted from Russia, was at the same table Flynn had been paid to be at celebrating Russia's propaganda network. She's part of this.

[arthritisR_US]

99. She should also be nvestigated with this Russian tie mess. nt

[bettyellen]

47. They carried water for Trump and it mattered enough in the end to bring us here.

They spread the bullshit that had middle America thinking - even those lefties "hate" Hillary. Their derangement was obvious to only those who did their research. They laundered the fake news coming from Russia to make it palatable to some lefties. It certainly was a factor.

They're trying to get the Russian investigation shit down now. That's not an opinion- that's treason at this point.

[Blue_true]

112. The one thing that I respect about the right is it does not waste General election votes.

Our side specialize in weakening our nominees and actively work to take votes from our nominee. Even if rightwing candidates or voters don't like their party nominee, they fall into line when voting in the General. In a close race like on November 8, 1.5% to 2% of a vote in key states determine who our President will be.

Having written the above, we are better off talking to the non voters that did not vote and now regret their decision than to spend time and energy trying to bring around anyone that would listen to a Jill Stein or Cornel West.

[obamanut2012]

6. Sarandon probably still thinks Trump is A-OK

And, when is Jill going to explain that dinner with Flynn and Putin?

[demosincebirth]

31. I saw her on the Colbert show about a month ago.

She gave a stupid answer on why she voted the way she did.

[Gothmog]

79. Sarandon also supported Nader who gave us Bush

[JCanete]

95. she never thought Trump was A-OK. Plenty of criticism can be levied at her feet without actually

reframing her logic.

[DanTex]

8. Kicking (sank during jury appeal).

[Cha]

11. ...

[LexVegas]

9. Alt left. nt

[boston bean]

12. Brava!

[CanSocDem]

14. Better stay away from Canada...

...specifically British Columbia. They just elected a government of 'left', far left and way far left.

Liberals, social democrats and GREEN's. I guarantee they'll live better than you.


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[Cha]

15. Oh did they LIE to get into office?

[arthritisR_US]

100. No they didn't but many Harper fear mongers are still bellyaching. nt

[DanTex]

16. Sounds great. Unfortunately, in the US the far left elects Republicans, not social democrats.

[CanSocDem]

26. The USA has "a far left"????

To be honest, I sometimes have trouble seeing "liberals" here and when I travel in the US.

What you call "far left", I call an enlightened citizen. Someone who understands the principles of social justice and devotes their efforts to achieving a just and democratic society.

In Canada, we understand the desire of corporations to seize the 'levers of power' and eliminate the public-interest-regulations that stand in the way of profits.

Ever since we took on the medical industry and wrestled control of public health away from the free-market, new generations of regular citizens grow up knowing the difference between a government that serves them and one that doesn't.


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[disillusioned73]

35. Agreed..

the USofA still likes hippy punchy (unfortunately)... maybe someday we'll catch up to Canada when it comes to political enlightenment..

Thanks for your northern perspective..

[Hekate]

119. A. He hijacked the thread. B. There is no "hippy punchy." It's an extremely outdated meme.

Thank you both for your input.

[Bradical79]

37. These "enlightened citizens" aren't Greens here...

Their chosen candidate deliberately allied herself with fascists overseas. They almost entirely involve themselves with trying to disrupt the presidential elections rather than win local and state seats. Things that would give them real influence to enact liberal policy. I could care less about your Canadian Greens being great for Canada, while our Greens are trying their damndist to ruin my life and allying with fascist murderers. If they support our Green Party, then fuck them too.

[CanSocDem]

39. An "enlightened citizen"....

...is simply aware of the world beyond themselves. They are citizens of the world. Intelligent people understand that raising the standards of ALL people, raises their own life. The USA is mostly about personal wealth so I get where you're coming from.

The left in Canada has a big tent. We're all firmly aligned against corporate interests that seek shareholder profits over the public interest. Greens are our conscience and every seat they win is another victory for the people. Social democrats like me are the propagandists and liberals get the vote out. We work together.

I agree that voting "Green" in the USA is a bit of a stretch. So far you only see them as spoilers and that in itself seals their fate. However, something you should remember is that the USA stands alone in its' hatred of social justice.


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[Bradical79]

42. Your final paragraph simply is not true

Our Green party, perhaps unlike yours, is allied with Fascists. I don't know much about Greens outside the U.S., but ours are much more than spoilers. They're malicious frauds.

Also, while it's sad that social justice is such a dirty word here among some, the idea that the U.S. is "alone" in its hatred of social justice is absurd. If that were the case, it would be a much easier fight, and Donald Trump may not have become president! Maybe our Greens would then be an asset rather than a destructive and willing tool.

[DanTex]

43. Sorry, but supporters of the Green Party here are not "enlightened" in any sense.

I will fully admit, Canada is more progressive than the US. As an American progressive, this bothers me, and yes I wish we had stronger public-interest regulations, universal healthcare, a more equitable tax code, and so on. That's why I vote for Democrats.

But the far left here -- by which I mean the Green Party and others who advocate voting third-party or write-in because the Dems aren't sufficiently pure -- does not work towards any of those things. They work for the exact opposite, by intentionally trying to reduce Democratic turnout and thereby put more right wing Republicans into office.

[revmclaren]

63. Enlightened....?

Only if they actually light their a$#es on fire!

Sorry, no more bull accepted on the bobs and third way voters.
ONLY!

[Ninsianna]

71. That might have something to do with the blinders one wears.

People apparently have their own super special definitions of what liberals are. If you don't see enlightened citizens here and in the US, who understand principles of social justice and democracy, I can't help wonder where you've been traveling and if something has preventing you from opening your eyes.

This snotty nosed superiority of Canadians is amusing, it's not exactly reflected as a 100% purity of perfection in those people who cross the border daily to seek medical care, nor do the regular citizens running around there shooting up mosques etc. seem to demonstrate this narcissistic view of Canadians.

I live in a border state and not a single Canadian I've ever met (and that's quite a few) labored under this level of delusion. But they've for the most part had their eyes open, and have vision that's at least corrected to 20/20, though even the ones with cataracts are not this blind.

[CanSocDem]

110. Understanding "social justice".

Basically it means everybody in the society has an equal chance to succeed.

I lived in the USA for 3 or 4 years at different times and then for more than 20 years I drove a transport truck, in and out and throughout the continental United States....since the 60's. A day never went by that I didn't encounter at least a half a dozen Americans who had NO chance of succeeding.

Sometimes it was the colour of their skin or their sexual orientation. Other times it was their gender or simply the economic environment they were borne into.

Everything about American culture screams "Inequality!". From trade and commerce to religion and education. The emphasis is competition, not co-operation. The free-market with its' vast cultural influence actually encourages INEQUALITY.

"Snotty-nosed superiority" or not....I stand by what I post.

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[Ninsianna]

115. I don't know why you think you need to explain simple English.

So you drove a truck around and lived in a country for some years, during which somehow met everyone in the country and evaluated their basic beliefs? Oh, you basically decided for yourself that the people you met had no chance to succeed? This is not sounding terribly well researched a position you're taking here. It's possibly that superiority those blinders that led to these unfounded judgments.

Perhaps you should talk to some Canadians, who also experienced the racist abuse at the hands of White Canadians? The younger brother of a friend of mine would be burned by cigarettes on his way home from school in Edmonton, by white Canadians, who apparently failed to understand the English terms you're so kindly explaining to us Americans. I guess no one told them that their superiority wasn't due to their white skin but due to their sacred Canadianness that amounted to same thing their cousins to the south subject people to.

It's cute that you think American culture is somehow different from Canadian culture, same language, same genetic stock, same delusions of superiority and same blindness to its own faults.

Snotty nosed superiority not based in anything approaching any real understanding of the historical or actual reality of what goes on among these descendants of Europeans who invaded this continent and who follow the same patterns of abuse, denial and delusions of superiority not borne out by fact.

It's the same condescending bull shite that every continent that bore the invasion from the same Europeans recognizes, and it's found in sacred Canada too, just look at your spree shooting racists and the everyday kind that like to burn little kids on their way home from school.

There is no difference between the people you excoriate and the people you falsely elevate.

[JTFrog]

18. So far this is winning for stupidest post of the day.

But have no fear, the day is young.

[m-lekktor]

20. ...

[George II]

40. British Columbia isn't one of the United States of America.

[arthritisR_US]

101. No, it's one of the saner provinces of Canada 😉

[JHB]

19. Don't leave out the "responsible" Republicans who voted for Johnson...

...because they are $%$$*^$ responsible for this too.

[Jamaal510]

53. +1

[revmclaren]

65. Repubs already are a write-off to Democrats.

So no... They don't figure into the equation.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

21. I will *NEVER* "get over" the last election

and the people and groups whom helped facilitate its outcome. It's a free country and people were free to vote for Trump, vote for Stein, vote for Johnson, write in a name, or simply not vote at all, but that doesn't mean that I can't keep being bitter, angry, sad, etc. about the very profound consequences that we- as a country- are now experiencing as a result of elevating somebody like Trump to the Presidency of the United States, as well as further empowering the hateful and destructive forces of the Republican Tea Party.

[aikoaiko]

22. Yes, and a shout out to all those who told them F-off and we didn't need them.

Priceless.

[SixString]

38. +1

[TransitJohn]

70. Thanks for saying that. This correct frame is actively being conspired against here.

Cheers!

[mcar]

23. K&R

[Gothmog]

24. The BOB and Stein supporters gave us trump

The JPR idiots are no doubt happy about trump's latest actions. Many JPR posters, BOBs and Stein supporters worked very hard to elect trump

[leftstreet]

25. There is no 'far left' in the US

[Bleacher Creature]

27. But her emails!!

Everyone who allowed this mess to happen is going to have to live with it the rest of their lives.

[dawg]

28. I don't like referring to those people as "far left".

Many of us Hillary voters are actually to the left of them. We just weren't stupid enough to throw away our votes in one of the most important elections of our lifetimes.

[NCTraveler]

93. This. Big Time. nt.

[retrowire]

108. This nt

[Blue_true]

113. Exactly. nt

[QC]

30. Do you ever criticize Republicans?

I honestly can't recall it.

[DanTex]

32. All the time, yes. Including in this OP.

[NurseJackie]

36. LOL

[Ninsianna]

67. It might help with recall if you read all the words in the post you're responding to.

I mean, the post literally has a criticism of Republicans right there.

This explains the tone of several responses, people don't seem to read what does not fit their bias, instead creating poorly crafted strawman arguments that don't go very far to advance the discussion, but do seem to fulfill the intent to disturb any amity by deliberately sowing discord.

Though that is the intent of some posters on the internet, it's a huge part of how we got here, but it's an obstacle to the fight we're up against now as Americans.

Can we honestly stop this selective reading and rude responses? It's not helping Democrats, progessives, liberals or sane people fighting Trump, it is helping him and the right wingers though. That isn't what we want as Democrats, progressives and liberals, right?

[NurseJackie]

34. Sarandon and her ilk make me nauseous with their DELIGHT at the havoc they supported.

[George II]

41. But they all have their millions, affordable (to them) healthcare, safe housing...

...safe neighborhoods, all the food they can eat (and probably waste). Why should they worry about the consequences of a trump presidency? He won't affect their cushy lifestyles.

[WoonTars]

44. So very helpful...

[NurseJackie]

45. Why does this bother you?

[WoonTars]

51. Because it is not helpful.

Was my post confusing to you? How could i have made my point more clear?

[NurseJackie]

54. Not "confusing" at all. It was lacking specifics, however.

Was my post confusing to you?

No. If it had been "confusing" to me, then I would have asked what you meant. Bit I didn't ask that, did I? I asked why it bothered you.

How could i have made my point more clear?

You could have provided more specifics as to WHY it bothered you. Or, you could have given an honest reply to my direct question.

So, here's your chance to be honest... or to deflect and give an evasive reply... or to just ignore me. Whatever you decide to do will be fine with me.

[lovemydogs]

46. DanTex, quit being a baby and blaming

Some people voted for others. That is their right.
It was not enough to make that big of difference.
I happen to be a progressive Sanders supporter who supported Hillary in the general.

[NurseJackie]

49. I guess he wasn't referencing you then, was he?

I happen to be a progressive Sanders supporter who supported Hillary in the general.

I guess he wasn't referencing you then, was he?

[yardwork]

57. The people who didn't vote for Hillary in the GE DID cause this.

That includes Jill Stein and everybody who voted for her in the GE, as Susan Sarandon bragged she did.

If you voted for Hillary in the GE, then the OP is not about you.

[Cha]

74. ".. a baby.."? For calling out the LIARS who sucked

voters in those critical electoral states.

It was Enough to make a difference.. that's why he's calling out the 3rd party Assholes.

And, he's not talking to you if you voted for the Progressive Hillary in the GE.

[NurseJackie]

90. I don't understand the rush to defend Stein voters and Sarandon-types.

It's very strange and it makes me wonder what's going on with some people... I'd like to know what their true motivation is. The whining "can't-we-all-just-get-along" schtick doesn't seem very sincere or believable to me. There's more to it than meets the eye. I just can't figure out exactly what it is.

[Cha]

92. It makes NO sense to defend 3rd Liars and Ratfuckers..

It's not like they give a shit about the Planet as they sit cushiony on their Million$$$$$ of Bucks while trump Fucks those who don't have any extra dollars.. and the Planet herself.

[arthritisR_US]

102. TY!👏👏👍❤️

[TheFrenchRazor]

48. Message deleted by DU the Administrators

[NurseJackie]

50. They contributed to it. Without their "input" the perfect-storm wouldn't have been so "perfect".

They aren't blameless. No need to defend them by deflecting entirely to the Russians and Comey.

when will some democrats accept the fact that the dem nominee is not entitled to anyone's vote

Nobody is making that argument.

(The rest of your comments are related to the primary, so it's best if I refrain from replying or commenting on that.)

[R B Garr]

64. Nice try, but the fact is that the GOP and the Russians studied the divisions

created within the Democratic party because of you-know-what and you-know-when and they exploited them. That's reality. The divisiveness was their reward.

[Ninsianna]

72. The people he mentioned were the targets of the GOP and the Russians, who fed them

flagrant lies and pure propaganda, while pushing them to not vote, write in invalid candidates and to go third party with the Russian darling, Jill Stein. The online trolls who were screaming BoBers (a phrase created and popularized by Kushner's Observer) simultaneously became Stein supporters. And I mean that literally, they all sported the same profile pics at the same time.

When will people who saw the racist, misogynist failure that was Trump and enabled his success accept the fact that their votes and their failures to vote are what landed us in this nightmare?

If they will not take responsibility for their own actions, their own ignorance and their failure to grasp what was going on here, they will continue to be responsible for their own misery at the hands of the people they ostensibly oppose but whose greatest enablers and supporters they are.

Purity voters are how we got gerrymandered districts to begin with, they need to own up to their personal failures and step up already.

[Cha]

75. They all own a chunk of trump.. comey, the russian

hackers, the 3rd party Liars, the m$m, Voter Suppression.

[pnwmom]

116. You're wrong. The election was such a squeaker that these groups could have made

the difference.

The idiots who voted for Jill Stein alone could have turned the 3 states.

[BainsBane]

55. Here's my shout out to all the fascists and their enablers

[Jamaal510]

59. K&R

[betsuni]

61. K&R

[revmclaren]

62. K & F%$&ing R!

Karma is a constant in all spiritual beliefs and even in many scientific circles. And karma follows you into future lives as well. Damn you quantum physics (NOT!)

Karma is AND will be a glorious!

[tenderfoot]

68. I don't think Stein/BoBs are "far left". They're right wing libertarian trolls

eom

[TransitJohn]

69. Your ire should be directed at the candidate and Party that didn't earn enough votes to win.

Votes aren't owed, they're earned. Plus, your narrative about the left causing Hillary's loss is bullshit, too.

[Ninsianna]

73. The party and the candidate won 3,000,000 more votes

the ire is properly directed against the small minority that lost states due to ignorance, anger, and plain old stupidity.

Had they bothered to do their homework and learn things, they would not have been such easy targets for propaganda and they would have learned that the issues they claimed to find so important were addressed by the candidate who legitimately represented them.

That narrative is backed up by facts, it's bullshit to pretend that the so-called left didn't play a role here.

The narrative that the party and the candidate that earned a historic number of votes is somehow worthy of ire from those who were too busy being ratfucked by the right and the Russians with their lies, is what's pure bull shit.

When one wastes ones vote in states where the loss was by such slim margins, one doesn't get to blame anyone else but oneself, fake purity and profound ignorance and a lot of stupidity and right wing misogyny got us Trump. Ire should and will be directed at those responsible, they thought they wouldn't be singed when they sought to burn it all down, and they're learning differently, but they don't get to blame anyone but their less than pure selves.

[TransitJohn]

83. I know that.

But, they didn't win enough Electors. Another reason that the candidate's and Party's strategy failed. You should cast your blame where it is due.

[Skittles]

104. she was the most qualified candidate ever, and she was held to impossible standards

she ran against the least qualified candidate ever, a man who was held to NO STANDARDS AT ALL

[TransitJohn]

114. She failed to win against Donald Fucking Trump. Qualified does not equal good

in regards to candidates. That is, if the purpose is to, you know, actually fucking win. Plus, her campaign was shit, too.

[guillaumeb]

77. Framing and blaming.

Too reductionistic by far.

[lunamagica]

80. Yes Dan! Keep telling them! I will never never, ever forget

[kcdoug1]

81. And to the dnc

For the aweful campaign they ran. Would have been MUCH better off talking to real working people than holding 2,500.00 a plate private fund raisers

[rgbecker]

82. Let it rest, Dan. Hillary won with more votes, just not in the right states.

Haven't seen any DUers claiming no difference between parties. Take your complaints to some other site.

[DanTex]

84. Message deleted by DU the Administrators

[MountCleaners]

86. Noam Chomsky is pretty far left...

And here is what he said to a REAL "far-left idiot" about voting for Democrats.

Stein's positions aren't that radical. She probably has a stock portfolio like Nader did. It's the Green Party's tactics and attitudes that suck.

Environmentalist positions aren't "far left". "Far left" ought to refer to anti-capitalism and revolutionary sentiment. But enabling Republicans will certainly cause greater environmental devastation.

[DanTex]

89. Message deleted by DU the Administrators

[DefenseLawyer]

87. I have always found that the way to attract voters is to be seen as a party of condescending pricks

"You're all stupid! Vote Democrat!" Now that's the slogan that's going to carry us to victory in the next election.

[DanTex]

88. Message deleted by DU the Administrators

[meadowlander]

96. +1. Emotional blackmail and hyperbole also very helpful and attractive.

Ala "If you don't vote Democrat, every bad thing that ever happens in the world will be your fault."

BTW, I voted for Hilary but bullshit like this from her supporters is a huge part of what turned me off about her campaign.

[Orsino]

91. We were brought here by corporate media and a hundred million ballots...

...that weren't cast or were cast for Trumpism.

The far left is insignificant in the media landscape.

[Blue_Tires]

94. Many of them have seen the error of their ways

and even if they haven't they usually have the good sense and decency to STFU out of shame...

It's the clowns who are still doubling down after all this time who I have the most ire for...

[Skittles]

103. I have absolute contempt for everyone who contributed to this fiasco

and I mean EVERYONE

[R B Garr]

117. +1000, Same here!

[democratisphere]

105. + a billion trillion zillion

[Else You Are Mad]

106. Don't forget

The moderate left that voted for Obama twice and then Trump, they are just as at fault.

[Oneironaut]

107. The Far-Left is truly an embarrassment.

They fit into multiple categories:

- Safe-space social justice whiners (aka The left's authoritarians)

- Putin loving Left-Libertarians (Stein, Assange, Greenwald, etc)

- Anarchist little boys whose mommies didn't show them enough love

- The perpetually outraged who insist that every Democratic candidate who doesn't agree with them 100% is the exact same as the Tea Party. These are the types that wanted Trump to win so that we can "let it burn."

We need to stop letting these dweebs steal the narrative. Part of the problem is that the media loves idiots. The normal left is "boring" to them.

[Littlered9560]

109. Thanks for posting this!

Since I am a low post count noob I'm not allowed to voice strong opinions here. Especially against he who shall remain nameless.

[revmclaren]

111. Kicking again!

[Hekate]

118. Russia