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Wed May 10, 2017, 04:31 PM

 

You can't make this stuff up


Notice the sub-headline of this NYT front page:



And then today:



Right down to Henry Fucking Kissinger:



You just can't make this shit up.

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Reply You can't make this stuff up (Original post)
jberryhill May 2017 OP
Jarqui May 2017 #1
rufus dog May 2017 #7
Jarqui May 2017 #8
rufus dog May 2017 #9
PoindexterOglethorpe May 2017 #13
jberryhill May 2017 #21
rufus dog May 2017 #23
jberryhill May 2017 #24
tavalon May 2017 #25
The Velveteen Ocelot May 2017 #27
Laf.La.Dem. May 2017 #2
malaise May 2017 #3
jberryhill May 2017 #4
pnwmom May 2017 #14
mzteaze May 2017 #6
pnwmom May 2017 #15
RKP5637 May 2017 #5
hibbing May 2017 #10
kentuck May 2017 #11
Nevernose May 2017 #12
madokie May 2017 #16
berni_mccoy May 2017 #17
Fritz Walter May 2017 #18
TrollBuster9090 May 2017 #19
jberryhill May 2017 #22
BigmanPigman May 2017 #20
MFM008 May 2017 #26

Response to jberryhill (Original post)

Wed May 10, 2017, 04:33 PM

1. History is repeating itself to a degree

except this is much more sinister than a bad burglary to gain political advantage.

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Response to Jarqui (Reply #1)

Wed May 10, 2017, 04:56 PM

7. The burglary was to get the tape Nixon thought Johnson had

 

With Nixon collaborating with the North Vietnamese. Larry O'Brien had an office in the Watergate bldg. Nixon wanted the tape. So it was about a Repuke candidate working directly with an enemy to get elected. Same/Same.

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Response to rufus dog (Reply #7)

Wed May 10, 2017, 05:01 PM

8. The North Vietnamese might have been able to blackmail

Nixon to gain some favors. But the favors they might have gained would have been fairly limited. It was just North Vietnam after all.

Russia being able to blackmail the President of the US can call in massive favors. That's considerably different.

The other key difference was the GOP did not control congress in 1974.

So the similarities have real limitations.

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Response to Jarqui (Reply #8)

Wed May 10, 2017, 05:24 PM

9. agreed

 

This is much worse, but still show the lengths repubs wil go to win.

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Response to rufus dog (Reply #7)

Wed May 10, 2017, 06:21 PM

13. Really?

Somehow I've never heard that before. I always heard they were planning to steal documents and bug the phones of the DNC. And even a quick check online says nothing about a tape. In fact, it's not entirely clear that Nixon actually knew about the break-in until after, although he then did his best to cover everything up.

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Response to rufus dog (Reply #7)

Wed May 10, 2017, 08:48 PM

21. I'd also like substantiation of that claim

 


Where has that claim been made, in relation to getting a "tape", and why would bugging the DNC help at all in that endeavor?

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #21)

Wed May 10, 2017, 11:44 PM

23. The theory is Larry O'Brien had info on Nixon passed on from Johnson

 

Proof - NONE

Was Nixon a paranoid Prick?

Why would Nixon, with a clear path to victory in '72, authorize a break in?


http://articles.latimes.com/1990-09-29/news/mn-1122_1_watergate-scandal

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Response to rufus dog (Reply #23)

Wed May 10, 2017, 11:51 PM

24. Your link states no such theory

 


The mere fact that an official of the DNC had worked for Johnson is no great surprise.

"Why would Nixon, with a clear path to victory in '72, authorize a break in?"

There is nothing which I have ever come across which substantiates that claim either.

The problem with the break-in is that it exposed operatives and methods which the WH had been using for a variety of things. That's why the investigation needed to be de-railed, and Nixon was certainly complicit in the attempted coverup.

It would have been bone stupid, for the reason you point out, for Nixon to have authorized the actual Watergate break in, but there is nobody involved with it - even the convicted conspirators who had nothing to lose when they wrote their books - who has ever suggested he did.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #24)

Thu May 11, 2017, 12:35 AM

25. It was the cover up that did him in

Wait, that sounds familiar!

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Response to rufus dog (Reply #7)

Thu May 11, 2017, 12:50 AM

27. It was specifically to bug the phones and photograph documents in the DNC office,

and Larry O'Brien was the chairman of the DNC. It was O'Brien's office that was broken into; Nixon wanted to know what information O'Brien had on him. The "Plumbers" group was established to plug leaks, including possible information about the North Vietnam collaboration (there does not seem to be an actual tape of this). But the burglars were there to bug the phones.

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Response to jberryhill (Original post)

Wed May 10, 2017, 04:34 PM

2. Message to the American people!

Fuck you!

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Response to jberryhill (Original post)

Wed May 10, 2017, 04:35 PM

3. Except that Kissinger was considered a friend

by Hillary

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Response to malaise (Reply #3)

Wed May 10, 2017, 04:49 PM

4. So was Trump

 


But there is no reason to assume that a Secretary of State would not have cordial relations with a former Secretary of State, nor is there any reason to assume that a Senator from New York would not have cordial relations with a prominent resident of New York.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #4)

Wed May 10, 2017, 06:33 PM

14. Exactly. nt

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Response to malaise (Reply #3)

Wed May 10, 2017, 04:51 PM

6. But...

He also has serious ties to Russia. It is not a coincidence that he was there.

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Response to malaise (Reply #3)

Wed May 10, 2017, 06:33 PM

15. They had a cordial relationship, as two diplomatic people dealing with each other.

They are not chums.

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Response to jberryhill (Original post)

Wed May 10, 2017, 04:49 PM

5. Yep, Dj Vu! n/t

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Response to jberryhill (Original post)

Wed May 10, 2017, 06:07 PM

10. War criminal n/t

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Response to jberryhill (Original post)

Wed May 10, 2017, 06:09 PM

11. Some type of vortex or time warp?

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Response to jberryhill (Original post)

Wed May 10, 2017, 06:11 PM

12. If you DID make it up

Nobody would buy your book. The fiction would be too unbelievable.

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Response to jberryhill (Original post)

Wed May 10, 2017, 06:36 PM

16. He and old hank both need to be in lock up

crimes against humanity for both of them too

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Response to jberryhill (Original post)

Wed May 10, 2017, 06:40 PM

17. One BIG Difference: Democrats Controlled Congress while Nixon was President.

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Response to jberryhill (Original post)

Wed May 10, 2017, 07:02 PM

18. In Nixon's final days (daze?) he allegedly roamed the WH halls

...posing questions to the portraits of his predecessors.

I hope the current WH staff have taken appropriate precautions to protect the portraits of past Presidents -- and especially First Ladies -- from the inevitable rage-induced actions of the current -- and soon to be evicted -- illegal occupant of that national landmark.

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Response to jberryhill (Original post)

Wed May 10, 2017, 07:06 PM

19. Oh well, you can't blame little Donny for wanting to re-live his youth.

Deja vu all over again.

DOES THIS MEAN WE CAN DO ANOTHER WOODSTOCK?

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Response to TrollBuster9090 (Reply #19)

Wed May 10, 2017, 08:52 PM

22. It's too late for woodstock...

 



...but maybe we can talk Yoko Ono into breaking up One Direction.

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Response to jberryhill (Original post)

Wed May 10, 2017, 07:13 PM

20. Back then the dems were in congress and that means everything. It is NOT the same for that reason.

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Response to jberryhill (Original post)

Thu May 11, 2017, 12:42 AM

26. Dumbest bastard perhaps

In history.

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