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La Lioness Priyanka

(53,866 posts)
Thu May 11, 2017, 12:33 PM May 2017

I am grateful that people are finally realizing the level of corruption and conspiracy it took

to bring HRC down.

That it wasn't bullshit concepts of economic anxiety, but 'cultural anxiety'

https://www.prri.org/research/white-working-class-attitudes-economy-trade-immigration-election-donald-trump/




That Russian interference that she warned us about from the debates, are real

https://www.indy100.com/article/remember-that-time-when-hillary-clinton-warned-us-about-russia-s-interference-with-the-us-7581416

That James Comey did cost her the election

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-comey-letter-probably-cost-clinton-the-election/


That even if she had campaigned every day in Wisconsin her voters were not allowed to vote

https://www.thenation.com/article/wisconsins-voter-id-law-suppressed-200000-votes-trump-won-by-23000/


It took some extraordinary level of bullshit to bring her down. I really hope Kamala, Kirsten, or Corey have a plan to battle some of this in 2020.



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I am grateful that people are finally realizing the level of corruption and conspiracy it took (Original Post) La Lioness Priyanka May 2017 OP
HRC's negatives were baked in at 50-plus percent BeyondGeography May 2017 #1
they'll still have the voting restrictions problems + Russian interference problems La Lioness Priyanka May 2017 #4
I agree that we should always err on the side of vigilance BeyondGeography May 2017 #6
While I like Joe Biden and Elizabeth Warren NewJeffCT May 2017 #20
It's awesome we have a new catchphrase for for racism + sexism! It sucks we need one. bettyellen May 2017 #2
i just say white male supremacy because it's accurate and angers a lot of people La Lioness Priyanka May 2017 #9
I thought that she would make it. Remember WhiteTara May 2017 #3
i did too. I also worry that because some people are so DELIGHTED to blame her for losing La Lioness Priyanka May 2017 #5
VRA means what? brush May 2017 #12
voting rights act La Lioness Priyanka May 2017 #13
I agree, LLP. brer cat May 2017 #15
Actually, she had no real opponent in the primary karynnj May 2017 #26
Do people really get it? yallerdawg May 2017 #7
slowly. some people. La Lioness Priyanka May 2017 #8
It's also worth noting hurple May 2017 #10
and won the popular vote La Lioness Priyanka May 2017 #11
she's my girl all american girl May 2017 #23
In spite of everything. And still... ehrnst May 2017 #34
Excellent OP, La Lioness.. Cha May 2017 #14
K&R mcar May 2017 #16
Is "cultural anxiety" kind of like "racism"? world wide wally May 2017 #17
almost exactly like La Lioness Priyanka May 2017 #32
Was the Bundy Occupation in Oregon a staged Wag the Dog event, Ferguson, et.al. likewise? L. Coyote May 2017 #18
And maybe we can begin to realize that it wasn't invented for her. Orsino May 2017 #19
k&r Starry Messenger May 2017 #21
Agree 100%, LLP! BlueMTexpat May 2017 #22
Still focusing on the wrong question..... HenryWallace May 2017 #24
Lol. This is a perfect example of 'well, actually ...' La Lioness Priyanka May 2017 #25
k+r Blue_Tires May 2017 #27
I'm still pretty fucking angry over it. ismnotwasm May 2017 #28
me too. La Lioness Priyanka May 2017 #29
Since they are against diversity and feminism IronLionZion May 2017 #30
i would love either one of them, though i may have a softer spot for Kamala La Lioness Priyanka May 2017 #31
What we could have had... (nt) ehrnst May 2017 #33

BeyondGeography

(39,369 posts)
1. HRC's negatives were baked in at 50-plus percent
Thu May 11, 2017, 12:39 PM
May 2017

None of those candidates, by virtue of their relative obscurity, will have that problem. They won't have HRC's strengths, but they won't have the same set of shortcomings either.

 

La Lioness Priyanka

(53,866 posts)
4. they'll still have the voting restrictions problems + Russian interference problems
Thu May 11, 2017, 12:40 PM
May 2017

this was the first post VRA election and I feel like we learnt nothing from it

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
20. While I like Joe Biden and Elizabeth Warren
Thu May 11, 2017, 02:03 PM
May 2017

both are older and have a longer past that can be dragged through the mud. I think somebody that is younger and newer to politics may be able to do well at the national level - fewer skeletons in the closet and less history. Cory Booker, Kamala Harris, Kirsten Gillibrand, Julian Castro and a few others have potential. Is Gavin Newsom ready for the national stage?

WhiteTara

(29,704 posts)
3. I thought that she would make it. Remember
Thu May 11, 2017, 12:39 PM
May 2017

when she ran for Senator, she had not one but 2 opponents and she beat them both. It took incredible collusion to bring her down. With it of course, they brought all women down. But we are not out!

 

La Lioness Priyanka

(53,866 posts)
5. i did too. I also worry that because some people are so DELIGHTED to blame her for losing
Thu May 11, 2017, 12:43 PM
May 2017

that we will never really ever have a real conversation about what a post VRA means for the democrats till someone else loses wisconsin

brer cat

(24,560 posts)
15. I agree, LLP.
Thu May 11, 2017, 01:18 PM
May 2017

All of the blaming of her for being such a terribly flawed candidate running a horrible campaign only benefits those who are still fighting the primaries. The real issues are not going away no matter who runs. We will still have republican obstruction of voters and manipulation of the voting process, probably Russian interference, and dirty smears of our candidates including outright lies. But hey, it feels so good to say "I told you so."

karynnj

(59,502 posts)
26. Actually, she had no real opponent in the primary
Thu May 11, 2017, 03:22 PM
May 2017

and in the general election, she had first Giuliani who destroyed himself by announcing to the media - before telling the media he was divorcing his wife, a prominent media person in NYC, before he told her. This started a series of NY tabloid headlines on a near daily basis - with things like wanting to move his mistress into Gracie Manor, where his wife and children still lived. He opted out of the Senate race, which he would have lost, because he was diagnosed with Prostate cancer. He was then replaced by a rather lackluster politician from Long Island.

Clinton won and won easily in New York, which has elected both Democrats and Republicans. So, proof that she could win election, but certainly not a stunning victory. Even Warren's victory in Massachusetts is equivalent given that she ran against a relatively popular incumbent. In addition, everything was in her favor in the 2008 primary.

I thought she would make it too, but not because I thought that HRC was a great campaigner - I thought she would win on the overall merits. The Obama administration had done a lot of good and she was part of it. Any weakness she had as a campaigner, she would have Bill Clinton and both Obamas with her.

I absolutely do not see this as against all women. It would be easier to see it as anti anyone the Democrats could have run who would be seen as a continuation of the Obama administration.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
7. Do people really get it?
Thu May 11, 2017, 12:50 PM
May 2017
‘I would be your president’: Clinton blames Russia, FBI chief for 2016 election loss

The Russians and Comey did the exact same thing!

They targeted one campaign and one candidate!

Even while the Russians and Comey both had "the goods" on the other campaign and candidate!

They picked our president!

hurple

(1,306 posts)
10. It's also worth noting
Thu May 11, 2017, 01:02 PM
May 2017

Even with all that crap, and more (you forgot all the fake news and troll internet memes) she still barely lost.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
34. In spite of everything. And still...
Fri May 26, 2017, 05:39 PM
May 2017

She is called a "weak" candidate by those who gain "brand recognition" by saying that she should have been unseated by superdelegates....

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
18. Was the Bundy Occupation in Oregon a staged Wag the Dog event, Ferguson, et.al. likewise?
Thu May 11, 2017, 01:34 PM
May 2017

It did not pass the smell test, and it seemed to be managed from both side for Republican and especially Tea Party benefit. Heck, even the trial was throw so they got off.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
19. And maybe we can begin to realize that it wasn't invented for her.
Thu May 11, 2017, 01:41 PM
May 2017

She is just the "lucky" first female presidential candidate that every last bit of available corruption and innuendo had to be leveled against. She exposed it for what it was, bless her.

That same corruption is at work in about every other aspect of public life, and has been for a long time.

IronLionZion

(45,432 posts)
30. Since they are against diversity and feminism
Thu May 11, 2017, 04:07 PM
May 2017

I would hope for Kamala.

I thought Hillary was going to win big. A lot of folks did.

Cultural anxiety is real. And calling people racist and sexist probably doesn't help them to be less racist and sexist. There are a lot of changes in America including the nature of many jobs and education, and where it's located. The rust belt lost people too, not just jobs. Liberals move and adapt. Conservatives tend to own land and dig deep roots and dream of some imaginary past that never existed.

A lot of the problems they are blaming on immigrants, have more to do with corporations changing the nature of their business models in ways that people who can't or don't want to adapt are left out. Automation and new technology are major culprits in the need for less labor in many jobs. I doubt that any immigrants are stealing coal jobs. Or feminists. Maybe the environmentalists are just filled with spite? But people don't want to acknowledge the role of fracking and cheap natural gas.

Just like they won't acknowledge that millions of people who look like me are born in America, legally, as US citizens. Sure, they act as if the enemies of America are infiltrating our government and burrowing into the deep state like dirty brown moles who need to be fired. But really, they don't want competition for jobs that are reserved for US citizens. It's gotten so bad that our military's training started to include diversity components to teach people that someone is not suspicious just because they are brown or have a difficult to pronounce name. Sometimes suspicious people look like Snowden, Manning, Robert Hansen, Aldrich Ames, etc.

Americans are not white. Whites (not mixed, not Hispanic) are about 60% of US citizens now and decreasing. Some people delude themselves into believing this can't be true, because they are afraid. And this also happens on our side with well-intentioned liberals who also think the default American is white. It baffles some people.

And some are baffled by feminism and don't know what to make of it. So they vote against the woman who forgot to stay home with her grandkids and bake cookies and knit.

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