Sealed Indictments? Found This In Salon

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Salon reported on Saturday morning (last Paragraph of article):

"There were reports this week that subpoenas have been issued by grand juries sitting in Northern Virginia and the Eastern District of New York. There were also reports that sealed indictments are being held by a Federal Judge in Northern Virginia. Evidence of the underlying crimes is out there, and it’s not that far away. There is a noose around Trump’s neck and it is tightening and he knows it and he’s panicking and he’s trying to do the thing that has worked for him all of his life: he’s trying to lie his way out of it. But this time, Donald Trump is a dead man lying."

Read More: http://www.salon.com/2017/05/13/dead-man-lying/


They don't mention who the alleged indictments target, but the article, as evidenced above, is brutal toward Trump.

[chillfactor]

1. we can only hope....

[WheelWalker]

2. Stand by for firing photon torpedos.....

[elleng]

3. Dead man lying 'Unyielding dishonesty and belligerence

have landed Trump one investigation away from impeachment.'
LUCIAN K. TRUSCOTT IV

'Guilty men lie, and lie repeatedly. Their early lies beget later lies; their little lies beget bigger lies; their implausible lies beget extraordinary lies; they tell more and more outrageous lies as their day of reckoning closes in. It was true of Nixon and now it’s true of Trump. The lies multiply, they become ever more far-fetched, and finally the day arrives when lying doesn’t work anymore. We’re there with Trump. He lies practically every time he takes a breath, but his lies aren’t working anymore. He’s choking from lack of oxygen. He’s a dead man lying.

There are amazing similarities in the way the two scandals unfolded. Watergate began with the break-in and wiretapping of the Democratic National Committee headquarters in an attempt to gather intelligence on the McGovern campaign for president. Russiagate began with the hacking of the Democratic National Committee server in an attempt to gather intelligence on the Clinton campaign for president. The object of the break-ins, both physical and cyber, was to disrupt the Democratic Party and gain advantage for the Republican candidate in the election campaign. Both scandals began to unravel fairly quickly. The second time the Nixon plumbers broke into the Watergate they were discovered and the administration’s crimes began to be uncovered. The Russian hacking of the DNC was discovered when Wikileaks published Clinton’s emails and the Trump campaign began using the product of this crime to their advantage.

Then came the step-by-step uncovering of the facts behind the break-ins. In the Watergate case, it involved people on the Nixon re-election committee planning and executing the break-in and cover-up. In the Trump-Russia case, it involves Trump’s people using the ill-gotten information hacked by Russians against his opponent, Hillary Clinton. . .

On Jan. 27, the day after Yates first warned the White House about Flynn, Trump summoned FBI Director James Comey to the White House for dinner and tried to get him to shut down the investigation of Trump’s Russia connections by asking him to pledge “loyalty” to the president. Three weeks later to the day, Comey went before the House Intelligence Committee and announced that Trump, his campaign and transition team had been under criminal and counterintelligence investigation for more than nine months. Trump began complaining in tweets and interviews that the “Russia thing” was a “hoax” and “fake news.” When his transparent attempt to quash the investigation with public bullying didn’t work, Trump began complaining to aides about Comey and asking what could be done about him. This week, the man under investigation once again fired the man investigating him. Trump generated an entirely false story and used it to justify firing Comey. Tump lied about why he fired Comey, and almost immediately admitted firing him because he wanted the Russiagate investigation shut down, and Comey wouldn’t do it.'>>>

(Watching All the President's Men now, for 2d time tonight. PERFECT!)

[Feathery Scout]

4. A guest on CNN mentioned grand juries meeting...so I will believe that...

And indictments on Flynn seem to be a given.

That's really all I feel confident about.

I can certainly see Manafort going down.

Haven't seen anything concrete on Page or Stone. Just lots of smoke.

And Trump....you need a bulletproof case for him. Just don't see it yet.

[Honeycombe8]

5. Agree. I'm reading a lot of wishful thinking and wanting to believe things that are too good

to be true. We all know what they say about things that seem too good to be true.

[bathroommonkey76]

6. Trump's paranoia

should be an indication of where this case is heading. The man has gone off his rocker the past 3 months- and it is gradually getting worse.

[FBaggins]

7. Except that the original sources claim that the indictments come from FISA

The story appears to start with Louise Mensch and Claude Taylor (not the best of sources) and then flow through the "Palmer Report" (one of the worst)...

... None of which appear to know that FISA doesn't do indictments.

[Jarqui]

8. Where does it say FISA in the original report?

https://patribotics.blog/2017/05/14/exclusive-sealed-indictment-granted-against-donald-trump/

By Louise Mensch and Claude Taylor

Separate sources with links to the intelligence and justice communities have stated that a sealed indictment has been granted against Donald Trump.

While it is understood that the Supremacy Clause of the Constitution means that, until Mr. Trump is impeached, he cannot be prosecuted, sources say that the indictment is intended by the FBI and prosecutors in the Justice Department to form the basis of Mr. Trump’s impeachment. The indictment is, perhaps uniquely, not intended or expected to be used for prosecution, sources say, because of the constitutional position of the President.

I saw this:

Link to tweet

And I saw an attorney weigh in to say the FISA warrant can trigger a grand jury that results in an indictment.

I'm not saying what they've reported is true. But I wouldn't condemn as false yet either. These two have been ahead of the media a number of times on this story.

[FBaggins]

9. No need to find it... Your post makes the same point.

FiSA courts don't do grand juries either.

FISA is entirely limited to using warrants for the collection of intelligence when U.S. citizens are involved. Any evidence of a crime would have to be turned over to DOJ and a prosecutor would decide whether to impanel a grand jury.

[Jarqui]

10. Can FISA warrants result in this?

Link to tweet

I think they can.

Trump asked for resignation of Dana Boente and Rod Rosenstein as of March 10, 2017 but
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/10/us/politics/us-attorney-justice-department-trump.html

“The president called Dana Boente and Rod Rosenstein tonight to inform them that he has declined to accept their resignation, and they will remain in their current positions,” said Peter Carr, a Justice Department spokesman.

Which lines up with:

Link to tweet

and

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

Claude Taylor called the Eastern District of Virginia location ages ago.

I do not swear by every word Claude & Louise report but they have some sources telling them things that turn out to be true before anyone else. They've done it a number of times. So I can't totally ignore them.

[FBaggins]

12. Can? Sure. But that doesn't add any credibility to the claim.

You can't "call" a court that would normally be involved. That's like saying that you know a football player is being suspended because someone claimed that the commissioners office is involved. That doesn't add credibility... Particularly when their specific claims indicate extreme ignorance of the system that a credible source would not have.

[Jarqui]

13. Like they and I pointed out, the story did not make that claim

One of them made a misstatement in a tweet and explained it.
So let's get ties our panties in a tighter knot!

These people (Louise in this case) broke the FISA warrant that was corroborated much later.
https://heatst.com/world/exclusive-fbi-granted-fisa-warrant-covering-trump-camps-ties-to-russia/

These people (Claude in this case) broke the jurisdiction that was corroborated much later.

These people broke that there was were going to be something significant happen related to this case and said it would happen on the very day it did. - the raids earlier this week.

They have not been perfect and have had to backpeddle on some things. But they have been out in front and dead on some other things that could have only come about with excellent sources. So I find it hard to dismiss them outright - even if they use the wrong legal jargon in a tweet that they promptly explain and correct.

[FBaggins]

14. It most certainly was part of "the story"

Their "reporting" (sic) explicitly told people that they would add material through their tweets.

One of them made a misstatement in a tweet and explained it.

Nope. One made a clearly false statement... then got called on it and changed it to a different false statement... then got called on that and tried to sweep it under the rug.

These people (Louise in this case) broke the FISA warrant that was corroborated much later.

Not really. Almost all of that story turned out to be false as well.

These people broke that there was were going to be something significant happen related to this case

Seriously? Have you ever read a horoscope? They turn out to be right too... IF you're a sucker.

[Jarqui]

15. You said:

"Not really. Almost all of that story turned out to be false as well. "

Really simple request then. Prove it.

Bet you can't.

[FBaggins]

16. Prove it to the satisfaction of someone who can see all this nonsense...

...yet still thinks they're real journalists?

Not likely... but that's not on me.

The easiest way to prove it is to point out that their initial FISA warrant claim was all about this secret "Russian server" that was communicating two Russian banks... and was for "any US person". Yet there hasn't been any reason to believe any of that was true.

[TNLib]

11. Trump Fired Comey for a Reason

I believe this is the Reason