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berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
Tue May 16, 2017, 12:14 AM May 2017

Pelosi says No Impeachment for Trump.

http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2017/05/16/nancy-pelosi-town-hall-donald-trump-impeachment-sot.cnn

Despite Trump being under investigation for collusion with the Russians on election hacking.
Despite Trump firing the person who warned him about Flynn being compromised and not firing Flynn for 18 days until the story was broken by the press.
Despite Trump firing the person who was investigating him for collusion with Russia for investigating him for collusion for Russia.
Despite Trump endangering our National Security by giving the Russians Coded Intel of the Highest Classification that would compromise the sources of that information and make it very likely we will never get such intelligence again...

Impeachment is off the table.

Time to let her know what you think about that.
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Pelosi says No Impeachment for Trump. (Original Post) berni_mccoy May 2017 OP
Perhaps she's part political strategist and part Devil's advocate? LonePirate May 2017 #1
+1 uponit7771 May 2017 #6
This shouldn't be about politics. It should be about doing what is right. berni_mccoy May 2017 #9
But she never said "impeachment is not an option" Foamfollower May 2017 #13
She said she doesn't subscribe to it. berni_mccoy May 2017 #16
Now you are getting closer to the reality of what she said. Foamfollower May 2017 #20
SHE should be a LEADER calling for it, not demurring on it. berni_mccoy May 2017 #23
BULLSHIT! Foamfollower May 2017 #26
Now you are contradicting yourself. Since you are concerned with the politics of it berni_mccoy May 2017 #30
Again, BULLSHIT Foamfollower May 2017 #34
Post removed Post removed May 2017 #36
You are now comparing fish to bicycles Foamfollower May 2017 #41
Perhaps not in these words, but I agree triron May 2017 #46
++++++++++++++ Thank you foam follower! skylucy May 2017 #31
Amen! +100 skylucy May 2017 #152
bullshit...she has no way of doing it... so what would be the point? Demsrule86 May 2017 #91
She didn't "demur" on it or table it for political purpose. She clearly said that the evidence... George II May 2017 #104
FYI.. this is what LEADER Nancy Pelosi is Doing... Cha May 2017 #126
Mahalo Cha Me. May 2017 #128
A ole pilikia, Me. Cha May 2017 #132
Why ? Yorkist May 2017 #159
She said not right now -- because we don't yet have the facts. What is unreasonable about that? pnwmom May 2017 #65
The Pelosi haters always looking for an excuse...don't know why...she is the most effective speaker Demsrule86 May 2017 #93
One of the best Speakers this nation has ever seen mcar May 2017 #95
Right up there with the legendary Tip O'Neil. Demsrule86 May 2017 #118
I think it may have something to do with the unsubstantiated rumors that she'll be primaried... George II May 2017 #114
She is being primaried by a Bernie supporter. Demsrule86 May 2017 #117
Thanks. That explains some of the anti-Pelosi angst. George II May 2017 #120
That person is doomed to lose mcar May 2017 #121
exactly - not unlike being the adult in the room - let's keep our wits about us DrDan May 2017 #69
Do you understand that the Democrats aren't in power? yardwork May 2017 #58
WHEN was this? Before/After/During/ Audio on??? elleng May 2017 #2
I didn't hear her say that. George II May 2017 #74
She's playing the good cop. madaboutharry May 2017 #3
Hmmm, off the top of my head I'm thinking she should've kept that to herself but then a LOT of dems uponit7771 May 2017 #4
She knows he's not her problem Warpy May 2017 #5
"not her problem"? Trump's EVERYONE'S problem, menace, worst nightmare! WinkyDink May 2017 #14
Not this time Warpy May 2017 #49
Time to let the REPUBLICANS know what you think about that. What people fail to understand about NP Hekate May 2017 #7
Well-said. She is an extremely adroit politician, esp with her members, and moonscape May 2017 #21
She didn't say no impeachment, never said it's off the table in this video. betsuni May 2017 #8
What you said is exactly correct. This is the same distortions they threw at Hillary, and they are still_one May 2017 #59
Yes. I don't think distortions like this belong here. We've had enough. betsuni May 2017 #60
.................... still_one May 2017 #61
If you listen to her, her stance is legitimate. Foamfollower May 2017 #10
But, that means that impeachment is on the table. mucifer May 2017 #90
Exactly. Foamfollower May 2017 #92
Is this a bad joke? A quote from 2003? Deja-vu ain't funny. WinkyDink May 2017 #11
Go to the link and listen to the video Foamfollower May 2017 #15
She clearly said she doesn't subscribe to it when asked about calls of Impeachment berni_mccoy May 2017 #19
Now you are backpedaling on your OP, but you still havent got it right. Foamfollower May 2017 #22
I heard it and that is true mvd May 2017 #29
Your OP has been demonstrated to be false. Consider self-deleting. emulatorloo May 2017 #33
And miss the chance to smear Pelosi? SaschaHM May 2017 #37
And then she went on to explain what she meant by that. What she said.... George II May 2017 #71
Nancy "Lets sweep this under rug" Pelosi. CentralMass May 2017 #12
You obviously didn't go to the link and watch the video. Foamfollower May 2017 #17
This seems like a literal right wing attack on Nancy Pelosi, she really does Ninsianna May 2017 #116
Not at all. I eas referring to her taking impeachment off the table for G..W. Bush. CentralMass May 2017 #138
This is a fact based site and minority leader Pelosi understands the facts GulfCoast66 May 2017 #18
If the LEADERS of the party don't make a STAND when it's needed, then Trump berni_mccoy May 2017 #24
Yeah! Im Not There at This Point: Sanders Isnt Ready to Jump on the Trump Impeachment Wagon Yet Cha May 2017 #143
If only if she had insisted Democrats not politicize the Russia issue BainsBane May 2017 #25
+1 Foamfollower May 2017 #38
fascinating, isn't it? emulatorloo May 2017 #39
+1 betsuni May 2017 #47
Message deleted by DU the Administrators melman May 2017 #51
I know it's ridiculous of me to expect people to adhere to principle BainsBane May 2017 #55
Snap! Cha May 2017 #142
+1. We are a party divided against itself... SticksnStones May 2017 #82
This entire thread is a distorted attack on Pelosi BainsBane May 2017 #97
Look, I respect your writing... SticksnStones May 2017 #112
That Seems To Be A Habit Here Me. May 2017 #129
No matter how much you try.. the Hypocrisy is NOT Cha May 2017 #130
+1 uponit7771 May 2017 #63
+1 nt. NCTraveler May 2017 #80
+1000! mcar May 2017 #96
lol.. right! omg. Nancy is a STRONG LEADER.. Cha May 2017 #125
She empowered Trump/GOP crimes when she took impeachment off the table for Bush! Chasstev365 May 2017 #134
"Blind alegence is bad", Chass.. you're not one to talk Cha May 2017 #135
Post removed Post removed May 2017 #136
Well you're Wrong and that's a really nasty insult at our Cha May 2017 #137
Wow, Cha doesn't like my post: WHAT A SHOCK! Chasstev365 May 2017 #150
BS said it wasn't a priority to impeach bush.. Cha May 2017 #156
Except that isn't what she said. In fact she said the same essential thing that Sanders still_one May 2017 #139
Thank you for that, stillone.. Cha May 2017 #140
............................................. still_one May 2017 #145
... Cha May 2017 #147
Only Nancy Pelosi is doing something about it.. Cha May 2017 #144
sanders said it wasn't "a priority" to impeach bush... so Cha May 2017 #149
This message was self-deleted by its author Initech May 2017 #27
doesn't matter all that much what she says Dem2 May 2017 #28
She's showing weakness by not vocalizing RESISTENCE. berni_mccoy May 2017 #32
I disagree Dem2 May 2017 #40
Bingo! Foamfollower May 2017 #43
And if you need to convince a few Republicans to get on board Dem2 May 2017 #44
She, Schumer, Hoyer, and Durbin's efforts are best spent forcing the issue of a special prosecutor Foamfollower May 2017 #45
Like this? BainsBane May 2017 #50
Onward Together! JTFrog May 2017 #101
You're upset that she specifically stated that we need a solid case? Weak analysis. Ninsianna May 2017 #113
Nancy Pelosi is Showing STRONG RESISTANCE Cha May 2017 #131
Bullshit! hrmjustin May 2017 #35
Is your OP head purposely deceptive, or did you forget to add the word "now" on the end? brush May 2017 #42
Kind of an important little word in this context. Hortensis May 2017 #54
Speaker Pelosi spoke with the wisdom of the responsible party oasis May 2017 #48
We do not have all the facts yet Jarqui May 2017 #52
JFC! Duppers May 2017 #53
THAT ISN'T WHAT SHE SAID. This is the same typical bullshit that the media pulled when they said still_one May 2017 #56
Thank you n/t JustAnotherGen May 2017 #62
Some people would much rather attack Democrats. brer cat May 2017 #75
Thanks. Sparkly May 2017 #109
The Democrats don't have the votes to impeach. As you know. yardwork May 2017 #57
Right. If they were in charge the investigation would be much farther along, pnwmom May 2017 #67
i have tremendous faith in Nancy Pelosi. Warren DeMontague May 2017 #64
You are smarter than so many people here who didn't bother to listen to the video. pnwmom May 2017 #66
Exactly. Warren DeMontague May 2017 #68
That's not what she said. George II May 2017 #70
Except she didn't say that at all -- epic fail obamanut2012 May 2017 #72
How did "impeachment is off the table?" DonCoquixote May 2017 #73
Except she did not say that. Agenda in the title of this OP Madam45for2923 May 2017 #76
Agenda much? Madam45for2923 May 2017 #77
She basically said-What are facts? We need the facts. She did not say Impeachment was off the riversedge May 2017 #78
Dishonest headline in the subject line of the op. NCTraveler May 2017 #79
this man is going to ruin and has aready begun the self distruct sequence AllaN01Bear May 2017 #81
Meh - she had the power in 2007 when they regained control of Congress. bullwinkle428 May 2017 #83
She most certainly DID NOT SAY "Impeachment is off the table." Miles Archer May 2017 #84
I can certainly understand the narrative ignoring her call to find objective facts LanternWaste May 2017 #85
Correct your title or this is fake news Madam45for2923 May 2017 #86
She said no such thing. Bleacher Creature May 2017 #87
Wrong again. nt DURHAM D May 2017 #88
Why would she put impeachment of the table...she has no way of doing it.. Demsrule86 May 2017 #89
Watch video please. OP having a way with words. Madam45for2923 May 2017 #94
Thanks Madam...I get so sick of the Nancy bashing. Demsrule86 May 2017 #119
You should delete this POS OP. tammywammy May 2017 #98
This and most of his posts for the last 2 years. nt JTFrog May 2017 #99
this obamanut2012 May 2017 #148
Asking people to harass her over a fake take on her words. Madam45for2923 May 2017 #100
We don't buy into alternative facts here. But nice fucking try. JTFrog May 2017 #102
NO. She did not say... sheshe2 May 2017 #103
Respectfully disagree. H2O Man May 2017 #105
exactly JHan May 2017 #107
I just watched the video, you are wrong. JHan May 2017 #106
Let's not think about this rationally, let's just react impulsively and angrily...like Donald Trump brooklynite May 2017 #122
I have no issue with Pelosi's position tho? JHan May 2017 #124
Pathetic - nt KingCharlemagne May 2017 #108
OP is twisting her words. Hope that is what you meant! Madam45for2923 May 2017 #110
Post removed Post removed May 2017 #111
so they are going to give this bdamomma May 2017 #115
The OP is WRONG.. he's been called out continuously on this trhead.. Cha May 2017 #133
That's fine... Keep the cards close to your vest Blue_Tires May 2017 #123
+ 1000 mhw May 2017 #127
BS:Im Not There at This Point: Sanders Isnt Ready to Jump on the Trump Impeachment Wagon Yet Cha May 2017 #141
He is not going to be impeached oberliner May 2017 #146
The bottom line is that in order for impeachment to happen, as you said, it will require still_one May 2017 #153
Good nycbos May 2017 #151
She is wise. Trump damages republicans so much that Blue_true May 2017 #154
Then, when exactly is impeachment ON the table? Trial_By_Fire May 2017 #155
Read the whole thread. Pelosi didn't say that. OP is misrepresenting her. emulatorloo May 2017 #157
Don't tell me reverse psychology won't work on these idiots Tiggeroshii May 2017 #158
Interesting that the pitchforks didn't come out when Schumer suggested THE SAME AgadorSparticus May 2017 #160

LonePirate

(13,412 posts)
1. Perhaps she's part political strategist and part Devil's advocate?
Tue May 16, 2017, 12:19 AM
May 2017

For the political strategist angle, she probably believes Dems will fare better if he is President in November 2018 instead of someone else being in the Oval Office.

For the Devil's advocate angle, perhaps she is worried he (A) will receive an outpouring of sympathy if Congress goes to battle against him via impeachment or (B) will retaliate in such a way that massive pain and suffering will be inflicted upon some Americans.

 

berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
9. This shouldn't be about politics. It should be about doing what is right.
Tue May 16, 2017, 12:24 AM
May 2017

Saying impeachment is not an option because Trump is politically damaging to the GOP is playing with fire and may get us in a Nuclear war if we allow him to remain in that position.

 

Foamfollower

(1,097 posts)
13. But she never said "impeachment is not an option"
Tue May 16, 2017, 12:26 AM
May 2017

She wisely staed you have to have the facts gathered before you go down the road of impeachment.

 

Foamfollower

(1,097 posts)
20. Now you are getting closer to the reality of what she said.
Tue May 16, 2017, 12:29 AM
May 2017

She stated she didn't subscribe to throwing around demands for impeachment at this early stage. She said you first gather the facts and if the facts support a case for impeachment, you proceed.

 

berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
23. SHE should be a LEADER calling for it, not demurring on it.
Tue May 16, 2017, 12:32 AM
May 2017

She should be demanding justice, not tabling it for political purpose.

 

Foamfollower

(1,097 posts)
26. BULLSHIT!
Tue May 16, 2017, 12:34 AM
May 2017

She is a RESPONSIBLE leader who calls for a special prosecutor to investigate the matter.

You know, gather the facts.

What you re demanding is a BLOWHARD IRRESPONSIBLE leader who will go off half-cocked and blow the whole damned thing.

 

berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
30. Now you are contradicting yourself. Since you are concerned with the politics of it
Tue May 16, 2017, 12:38 AM
May 2017

What do you think the Repubs are going to do with this sound byte? They are going to use it as an excuse to NOT IMPEACH.

She NEEDS TO TAKE A STAND and VOCALIZE OPPOSITION AND RESISTENCE.

She could have easily said, IF ALL THE SHIT TRUMP SEEMS TO HAVE DONE IS TRUE THEN YES WE SHOULD DEFINITELY IMPEACH.

But she didn't do that. She's being too dismissive.

Response to Foamfollower (Reply #34)

 

Foamfollower

(1,097 posts)
41. You are now comparing fish to bicycles
Tue May 16, 2017, 12:44 AM
May 2017

A pundit is free to spout off whatever drivel they choose.

The minority leader of the House has a different set of priorities.

Again, you know not of what you speak.

triron

(21,988 posts)
46. Perhaps not in these words, but I agree
Tue May 16, 2017, 12:57 AM
May 2017

she could have made a stronger statement. Dems are too damn polite.

George II

(67,782 posts)
104. She didn't "demur" on it or table it for political purpose. She clearly said that the evidence...
Tue May 16, 2017, 10:40 AM
May 2017

...isn't there yet. He can't be impeached until there are grounds for impeachment with a case to impeach.

Yorkist

(59 posts)
159. Why ?
Fri May 19, 2017, 11:03 PM
May 2017

The role she's in requires her to judge it right when the big moments, not just the day to day political tittle-tattle, come along.

If she's not going to be " statesmanlike" now, then when ? Don't see the benefit of her playing the role of a student protestor.

pnwmom

(108,973 posts)
65. She said not right now -- because we don't yet have the facts. What is unreasonable about that?
Tue May 16, 2017, 05:55 AM
May 2017

She is NOT ruling out impeachment once the investigation is completed.

Demsrule86

(68,539 posts)
93. The Pelosi haters always looking for an excuse...don't know why...she is the most effective speaker
Tue May 16, 2017, 09:29 AM
May 2017

and a very effective minority leader.

mcar

(42,287 posts)
95. One of the best Speakers this nation has ever seen
Tue May 16, 2017, 09:41 AM
May 2017

And a good Democrat. I don't get the haters either.

George II

(67,782 posts)
114. I think it may have something to do with the unsubstantiated rumors that she'll be primaried...
Tue May 16, 2017, 01:11 PM
May 2017

...in 2018.

Of course she'll win any primary and be re-elected.

George II

(67,782 posts)
120. Thanks. That explains some of the anti-Pelosi angst.
Tue May 16, 2017, 04:53 PM
May 2017

I noticed this from your LA Times article:

He "criticized Pelosi for raising money from corporations and special interests."

If he's interested in running in the primary or ANY election, he'd better bone up on FEC regulations - Pelosi did NOT raise money from corporations, that is illegal.

Simply stated, she didn't!

DrDan

(20,411 posts)
69. exactly - not unlike being the adult in the room - let's keep our wits about us
Tue May 16, 2017, 06:42 AM
May 2017

instead of charging off with feel-good rhetoric.

madaboutharry

(40,199 posts)
3. She's playing the good cop.
Tue May 16, 2017, 12:20 AM
May 2017

We don't know enough yet to make that determination. She probably wants him around until 2018 so the democrats can win back the house by running against the chaos caused by this ignoramus.

uponit7771

(90,323 posts)
4. Hmmm, off the top of my head I'm thinking she should've kept that to herself but then a LOT of dems
Tue May 16, 2017, 12:21 AM
May 2017

... want to tie Red Don around the necks of KGOP congress folk for elections.

I'm thinking we can't wait till then

We'll see, Nixon was in the low 20s before the KGOP decided to take action with dems

Warpy

(111,222 posts)
5. She knows he's not her problem
Tue May 16, 2017, 12:21 AM
May 2017

and the fucking asshole Republicans are going to have to clean up their own filthy mess for once.

I agree with her this time. I didn't agree with her when Stupid was in office. I think the threat should have been there when the Democrats had control. The threat might have kept him more in line.

Warpy

(111,222 posts)
49. Not this time
Tue May 16, 2017, 02:08 AM
May 2017

They shut us out of government, they're going to have to clean this up, we can't be expected to do it for them.

I'd think the spectacle of all those overstuffed Republicans trying to shovel away the elephant shit would amuse you.

Hekate

(90,616 posts)
7. Time to let the REPUBLICANS know what you think about that. What people fail to understand about NP
Tue May 16, 2017, 12:22 AM
May 2017

..is that SHE CAN COUNT VOTES. What that means is she will not bring something to the fore that HAS NO CHANCE.

Nancy Pelosi is an extremely good Democratic liberal politician, but she cannot manufacture votes out of thin air. She is the minority leader of a minority party, and the majority party is not budging yet.

So PLEASE, call and write and protest Republican politicians, and let every Democrat know you will have their back when they do the right thing.

The votes for impeachment simply are not there. --- Yet.

moonscape

(4,673 posts)
21. Well-said. She is an extremely adroit politician, esp with her members, and
Tue May 16, 2017, 12:30 AM
May 2017

I trust her on this. For her to raise the heat and cry for impeachment gets us nowhere, stiffens backs. T is doing a really good job of hanging himself. Futile pressure from Pelosi gets us nowhere.

betsuni

(25,437 posts)
8. She didn't say no impeachment, never said it's off the table in this video.
Tue May 16, 2017, 12:24 AM
May 2017

She said wait until you have a solid case with factual evidence, it's still early in his term.

still_one

(92,108 posts)
59. What you said is exactly correct. This is the same distortions they threw at Hillary, and they are
Tue May 16, 2017, 03:39 AM
May 2017

doing the same thing with Nancy Pelosi.

Gee, I wonder if it is because they favor that jerk Stephen Jaffe who is going to try and run against Pelosi in 2018. Jaffe is the ignoramus who brought up the bullshit lawsuit that (No Party Preference) voters weren't given proper voting instructions. That was thrown out of court in a New York minute, and Jaffe will go down even quicker.

betsuni

(25,437 posts)
60. Yes. I don't think distortions like this belong here. We've had enough.
Tue May 16, 2017, 03:52 AM
May 2017

Especially when non-Democrats say things but when we discuss them we're accused of distorting things even when exactly quoting them. It's a mind game.

 

Foamfollower

(1,097 posts)
10. If you listen to her, her stance is legitimate.
Tue May 16, 2017, 12:24 AM
May 2017

First you get the facts. The facts have to be there to impeach.

We don't have the evidence for a case of impeachment yet.

 

Foamfollower

(1,097 posts)
15. Go to the link and listen to the video
Tue May 16, 2017, 12:27 AM
May 2017

What she said barely resembles anything the OP said she said.

 

berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
19. She clearly said she doesn't subscribe to it when asked about calls of Impeachment
Tue May 16, 2017, 12:29 AM
May 2017

From Democratic members of the House.

 

Foamfollower

(1,097 posts)
22. Now you are backpedaling on your OP, but you still havent got it right.
Tue May 16, 2017, 12:31 AM
May 2017

She doesn't subscribe to calls for impeachment at this early stage. First you gather the facts. The facts must support a case for impeachment before you call for impeachment.

Did you even listen to the video you linked?

mvd

(65,169 posts)
29. I heard it and that is true
Tue May 16, 2017, 12:36 AM
May 2017

I think she was a bit hesitant in her answer. Like she wasn't sure how to put it. She took impeachment off the table before (and I strongly disagreed), and while she did not do that here, I feel we are developing the facts quickly. I don't always agree with how she communicates things.

George II

(67,782 posts)
71. And then she went on to explain what she meant by that. What she said....
Tue May 16, 2017, 07:12 AM
May 2017

...made a lot of sense, she continued after saying "she doesn't subscribe to "it" " that there has to be a case, people have to review the facts.

Cuomo didn't ask her if he should NEVER be impeached, he was speculating about it happening NOW or SOON, to which she said she doesn't subscribe to THAT!

Watch the video again, to the end.

 

Foamfollower

(1,097 posts)
17. You obviously didn't go to the link and watch the video.
Tue May 16, 2017, 12:28 AM
May 2017

The OP is making stuff up about what she said.

Ninsianna

(1,349 posts)
116. This seems like a literal right wing attack on Nancy Pelosi, she really does
Tue May 16, 2017, 02:19 PM
May 2017

inspire much anger, lies and name calling among the Right wing and their allies who infiltrate Democratic and liberal blogs. What is your purpose in typing out such a blatant lie on a thread that is deeply dishonest on its face?

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
18. This is a fact based site and minority leader Pelosi understands the facts
Tue May 16, 2017, 12:28 AM
May 2017

She understand the politics of the possible. Impeaching Trump is a popular thing here on DU, but is total BS in the real world. He is the president and his party controls both houses of congress. Name one thing that would be gained by the minority leader of the house, who has no power, declaring that she is going to impeach the president. When all rational people know that it is not going to happen unless the republicans do it.



 

berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
24. If the LEADERS of the party don't make a STAND when it's needed, then Trump
Tue May 16, 2017, 12:33 AM
May 2017

Can do whatever he wants and he will get away with it. Someone needs to take a stand and say ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.

BainsBane

(53,026 posts)
25. If only if she had insisted Democrats not politicize the Russia issue
Tue May 16, 2017, 12:33 AM
May 2017

Then she'd be a progressive hero.

BainsBane

(53,026 posts)
55. I know it's ridiculous of me to expect people to adhere to principle
Tue May 16, 2017, 03:05 AM
May 2017

Sadly, I've learned that is the very last concern, but that doesn't stop me from pointing out blatant hypocrisy when I see it.

And here you are, continually outraged that someone doesn't share your uncritical adoration of a member of the political elite. Why you have such trouble accepting that is your problem entirely.

BainsBane

(53,026 posts)
97. This entire thread is a distorted attack on Pelosi
Tue May 16, 2017, 10:08 AM
May 2017

The House minority leader, yet you don't object to that on the grounds of unity. Instead,my pointing out a recent incident--one of many--in which the same people savaging Pelosi defended comments attacking Democrats for standing up to the GOP as taking political advantage. But that you think I'm referring to someone held as superior to Pelosi and the rest of humanity, that is divisive. No it isn't. It's pointing out the blatant hypocrisy and lack of principle.

I will never, ever go along with the notion that one man takes precedence over the Democratic Party and over citizens. I believe in principles and equality, not submission to great men. I will never acquiesce to the pre-modern, anti-egalitarian ethos that holds one above the many. If you want to build unity, it needs to be around something that matters. As long as people continue to insist that one or two powerful men come before the citizenry, before issues and policy, there is nothing worth unifying around.


SticksnStones

(2,108 posts)
112. Look, I respect your writing...
Tue May 16, 2017, 11:14 AM
May 2017

But you've lost me on this.

Yes, the OP is clearly an unjustified attack on Pelosi. Around here, Pelosi is often derided as part of the political elite. And also around here, there is a growing chasm between two camps that shall not be named.

I think a lot goes on behind the scenes that we are not witness to...the making of the sausage, if you will. Pelosi has been exceptional at keeping her caucus together. I find tremendous value in that. I'm in that camp.

I'm also in the camp that has noticed that since it is against TOS to relitigate the primary, some folks have found clever ways of continuing the battle through hit pieces. Like this one.

Beyond that, while I respect the passion with which you express your politics and your ethics...I don't understand your beef with my post.

Peace.

Chasstev365

(5,191 posts)
134. She empowered Trump/GOP crimes when she took impeachment off the table for Bush!
Tue May 16, 2017, 10:54 PM
May 2017

Can't you just this one time criticize her? Blind alegence is bad, Cha!

Cha

(297,026 posts)
135. "Blind alegence is bad", Chass.. you're not one to talk
Tue May 16, 2017, 11:24 PM
May 2017

Nancy Pelosi is doing right NOW what a strong Leader does.. getting all her ducks in a row.

And anyone who says she's "weak" has an agenda.



Response to Cha (Reply #135)

Cha

(297,026 posts)
137. Well you're Wrong and that's a really nasty insult at our
Tue May 16, 2017, 11:57 PM
May 2017

Democratic Leader of the House and former Democratic Leader of the Senate, GaYellowDawg.

still_one

(92,108 posts)
139. Except that isn't what she said. In fact she said the same essential thing that Sanders
Wed May 17, 2017, 01:36 AM
May 2017

said today:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1776824

Perhaps you need to understand what blind bias is about

Response to berni_mccoy (Original post)

Dem2

(8,168 posts)
28. doesn't matter all that much what she says
Tue May 16, 2017, 12:36 AM
May 2017

She has little power over the process, I think she was being a little coy after that a-hole Doucheowitz suggested that "she better not make it political"

Dem2

(8,168 posts)
40. I disagree
Tue May 16, 2017, 12:44 AM
May 2017

I liked what Rep. Green said this afternoon. I'd like to see more "ordinary" Democrats making the argument for impeachment.

 

Foamfollower

(1,097 posts)
43. Bingo!
Tue May 16, 2017, 12:46 AM
May 2017

Back benchers can make a name here and push the "I" word into the narrative.

The leadership doesn't have that sort of freedom in the rhetoric they choose.

Dem2

(8,168 posts)
44. And if you need to convince a few Republicans to get on board
Tue May 16, 2017, 12:52 AM
May 2017

I'd prefer a well spoken unknown over, well, Google "most hated Democrats". Sure, she should signal her support, but leading on this is not the best use of her clout IMO - at least until the Republicans get on board and the ball is clearly rolling that direction.

 

Foamfollower

(1,097 posts)
45. She, Schumer, Hoyer, and Durbin's efforts are best spent forcing the issue of a special prosecutor
Tue May 16, 2017, 12:57 AM
May 2017

You know, making sure the facts are gathered.

If a case for impeachment is to be built, it requires a non-partisan third party investigator.

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
101. Onward Together!
Tue May 16, 2017, 10:18 AM
May 2017

Your weak attempts to trash Hillary are transparent as hell, so if we have to get this shit done without you, so be it!

brush

(53,758 posts)
42. Is your OP head purposely deceptive, or did you forget to add the word "now" on the end?
Tue May 16, 2017, 12:45 AM
May 2017

She said there wasn't enough evidence yet.

oasis

(49,365 posts)
48. Speaker Pelosi spoke with the wisdom of the responsible party
Tue May 16, 2017, 02:02 AM
May 2017

leader she has become over the years. Pelosi knows what's doable and when to do it.

Jarqui

(10,122 posts)
52. We do not have all the facts yet
Tue May 16, 2017, 02:44 AM
May 2017

That's at least part of the reason why Trump fired Comey - to slow down the process.

For a case of impeachment to succeed, you need 2/3rds of the Senate. With so many GOP senators, that's a heck of a slam dunk case that is required. I haven't seen that yet.

It is going to take some time.

I think it is premature to call for impeachment - because with what we have right now, there's zero chance it will pass. But there's nothing wrong with musing about it in the media.

still_one

(92,108 posts)
56. THAT ISN'T WHAT SHE SAID. This is the same typical bullshit that the media pulled when they said
Tue May 16, 2017, 03:33 AM
May 2017

the FBI had reopened the email investigation after Comey sent the letter to the republicans in Congress. That was a lie,, and this is a deliberate misrepresentation of what she said.

She said performance, and reckless behavior by itself are not grounds for impeachment. However, if it can be shown he broke the law, those ARE GROUNDS FOR IMPEACHMENT.

However, even if there were grounds for impeachment, it may shock some who decided not to vote for Hillary by voting third party, that Congress is controlled by the republicans, so unless they decide to impeach it isn't going to happen.

but please, keep propagating the distortions and bullshit

brer cat

(24,544 posts)
75. Some people would much rather attack Democrats.
Tue May 16, 2017, 09:02 AM
May 2017
but please, keep propagating the distortions and bullshit
It sure makes it hard to see sometimes where the the line is between far left and far right.

pnwmom

(108,973 posts)
67. Right. If they were in charge the investigation would be much farther along,
Tue May 16, 2017, 05:59 AM
May 2017

and there might already be a strong case for impeachment. As it is, she says we need more facts.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
64. i have tremendous faith in Nancy Pelosi.
Tue May 16, 2017, 05:18 AM
May 2017

She knows her shit, and as circumstances develop she will do the right thing.

pnwmom

(108,973 posts)
66. You are smarter than so many people here who didn't bother to listen to the video.
Tue May 16, 2017, 05:57 AM
May 2017

She isn't against impeachment in theory. She is simply saying that in her view it's premature to talk about impeachment; that we need to have the facts first.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
73. How did "impeachment is off the table?"
Tue May 16, 2017, 08:04 AM
May 2017

work out last time?

I may think Bernie is off his rocker sometimes, but statements like this make people want to clean house rather than be the plote losign team that jobs to the GOP.

riversedge

(70,174 posts)
78. She basically said-What are facts? We need the facts. She did not say Impeachment was off the
Tue May 16, 2017, 09:08 AM
May 2017

table. I agree.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
79. Dishonest headline in the subject line of the op.
Tue May 16, 2017, 09:08 AM
May 2017

I suggest you all watch the video. Truly dishonest representation of the video.

bullwinkle428

(20,629 posts)
83. Meh - she had the power in 2007 when they regained control of Congress.
Tue May 16, 2017, 09:20 AM
May 2017

She doesn't have that power right now, so I can totally understand her not wanting to go all "Thelma and Louise", speeding off the cliff into the abyss.

Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
84. She most certainly DID NOT SAY "Impeachment is off the table."
Tue May 16, 2017, 09:20 AM
May 2017
“You’re talking about impeachment,” she said, “you’re talking about ‘what are the facts.’ Not, ‘I don’t like him,’ and ‘I don’t like his hair,’ what are the facts? ‘I don’t like what he said about this’ – what are the facts that you would make a case on?”

“What are the rules that he may have violated?” She asked, rhetorically. “If you don’t have that case, you’re just participating in more hearsay. And that’s not the basis of a – and we owe the American people just some stability in all of this.”

“This is the time where here’s supposed to be having his honeymoon – what a marriage!” she joked, to some laughter from the audience.

“So we watch and see, what he’s going to do, what is his vision, how is he going to implement the rest,” she concluded. “And it’s been sloppy.”

https://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/05/15/nancy-pelosi-we-cant-impeach-trump-just-because-we-dislike-his-hair/
 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
85. I can certainly understand the narrative ignoring her call to find objective facts
Tue May 16, 2017, 09:24 AM
May 2017

I can certainly understand the narrative necessarily ignoring her call to first find and investigate objective and relevant facts prior to making any decisions.

Bleacher Creature

(11,256 posts)
87. She said no such thing.
Tue May 16, 2017, 09:26 AM
May 2017

And considering the fact that the OP hasn't been corrected after multiple people have pointed out that it's not accurate, the only logical conclusion is it's intentionally deceptive.

Demsrule86

(68,539 posts)
89. Why would she put impeachment of the table...she has no way of doing it..
Tue May 16, 2017, 09:27 AM
May 2017

Maybe if we take the House and Senate with enough votes in the Senate but otherwise...the GOP should impeach him.

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
102. We don't buy into alternative facts here. But nice fucking try.
Tue May 16, 2017, 10:19 AM
May 2017

Let's just call it what it truly is. Fucking lying bullshit. Just like the lies spread about her by the right wingers got gleefully repeated and reposted by far lefters. And we already know just how aware of that you are.



H2O Man

(73,524 posts)
105. Respectfully disagree.
Tue May 16, 2017, 10:43 AM
May 2017

I don't think she said that. While she did not advocate impeachment now, it's likely because she knows where the Senate and FBI/Treasury investigations are going. If she advocated impeachment right now, she'd risk becoming "the story." Better to let Trump be the national focus.

brooklynite

(94,452 posts)
122. Let's not think about this rationally, let's just react impulsively and angrily...like Donald Trump
Tue May 16, 2017, 05:33 PM
May 2017

If you tried to impeach Trump TODAY, he would NOT be impeached, and if he was, he would NOT be convicted by the Senate. Therefore, in the eyes of non-activists voters, he'd be acquitted of whatever charges you threw at him. Is that what you want?

Response to Madam45for2923 (Reply #110)

bdamomma

(63,810 posts)
115. so they are going to give this
Tue May 16, 2017, 01:33 PM
May 2017

POS a pass on everything. He is no Bush, he's worse.

He is taking the country down.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
123. That's fine... Keep the cards close to your vest
Tue May 16, 2017, 05:38 PM
May 2017

I don't even want to the word "impeachment" said by anyone until all the research is done, the foundation of the case set, the articles absolutely fucking 100% foolproof airtight, and the votes to make this happen are confirmed... There's only going to be one shot at this...

still_one

(92,108 posts)
153. The bottom line is that in order for impeachment to happen, as you said, it will require
Fri May 19, 2017, 09:32 PM
May 2017

the republicans to bring to the floor of the House, because the Democrats do not have the majority.

However, if the special counsel uncovers enough incriminating evidence of impeachable crimes, I do not believe the republicans are going to provide cover for him.

Of course that actually wasn't the purpose of the OP. The purpose of the OP was to mischaracterize what Nancy Pelosi said, in order to start a flame bait against Pelosi.

Pelosi never said that impeachment is off the table. What she said is that impeachment cannot be done until the investigations demonstrates there were impeachable offenses. Bernie Sanders, and others have said essentially the same thing.

nycbos

(6,034 posts)
151. Good
Fri May 19, 2017, 09:14 PM
May 2017

If we remove Trump we get Pence.

He is worse in many mays.


If Pence is removed we get Paul Ryan as president.

She is thinking 10 steps ahead.


Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
154. She is wise. Trump damages republicans so much that
Fri May 19, 2017, 09:35 PM
May 2017

we can effectively turn him into a lameduck in 2018, then vote him out in 2020 as well as destroy republicans more and get the country back on track.

 

Trial_By_Fire

(624 posts)
155. Then, when exactly is impeachment ON the table?
Fri May 19, 2017, 09:38 PM
May 2017

Only when a president lies about getting a blow-job?

We need some Dems with a backbone...

emulatorloo

(44,096 posts)
157. Read the whole thread. Pelosi didn't say that. OP is misrepresenting her.
Fri May 19, 2017, 10:50 PM
May 2017

There's video of what Pelosi actually said linked throughout the thread.

The OP is false. Watch the video, see for yourself.

 

Tiggeroshii

(11,088 posts)
158. Don't tell me reverse psychology won't work on these idiots
Fri May 19, 2017, 10:53 PM
May 2017

Remember at the end of the day Republicans want what Democrats don't.

AgadorSparticus

(7,963 posts)
160. Interesting that the pitchforks didn't come out when Schumer suggested THE SAME
Fri May 19, 2017, 11:21 PM
May 2017

The rationale is NOT because they love Trump...it is because they want to make sure it doesn't take away from the trump russia collusion. And I don't want it to either. It looks the GOP is guilty in the collusion. Lets focus and give it some time to cast the net far and wide.

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