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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsPelosi says No Impeachment for Trump.
http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2017/05/16/nancy-pelosi-town-hall-donald-trump-impeachment-sot.cnnDespite Trump being under investigation for collusion with the Russians on election hacking.
Despite Trump firing the person who warned him about Flynn being compromised and not firing Flynn for 18 days until the story was broken by the press.
Despite Trump firing the person who was investigating him for collusion with Russia for investigating him for collusion for Russia.
Despite Trump endangering our National Security by giving the Russians Coded Intel of the Highest Classification that would compromise the sources of that information and make it very likely we will never get such intelligence again...
Impeachment is off the table.
Time to let her know what you think about that.
LonePirate
(13,412 posts)For the political strategist angle, she probably believes Dems will fare better if he is President in November 2018 instead of someone else being in the Oval Office.
For the Devil's advocate angle, perhaps she is worried he (A) will receive an outpouring of sympathy if Congress goes to battle against him via impeachment or (B) will retaliate in such a way that massive pain and suffering will be inflicted upon some Americans.
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)Saying impeachment is not an option because Trump is politically damaging to the GOP is playing with fire and may get us in a Nuclear war if we allow him to remain in that position.
Foamfollower
(1,097 posts)She wisely staed you have to have the facts gathered before you go down the road of impeachment.
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)Foamfollower
(1,097 posts)She stated she didn't subscribe to throwing around demands for impeachment at this early stage. She said you first gather the facts and if the facts support a case for impeachment, you proceed.
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)She should be demanding justice, not tabling it for political purpose.
Foamfollower
(1,097 posts)She is a RESPONSIBLE leader who calls for a special prosecutor to investigate the matter.
You know, gather the facts.
What you re demanding is a BLOWHARD IRRESPONSIBLE leader who will go off half-cocked and blow the whole damned thing.
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)What do you think the Repubs are going to do with this sound byte? They are going to use it as an excuse to NOT IMPEACH.
She NEEDS TO TAKE A STAND and VOCALIZE OPPOSITION AND RESISTENCE.
She could have easily said, IF ALL THE SHIT TRUMP SEEMS TO HAVE DONE IS TRUE THEN YES WE SHOULD DEFINITELY IMPEACH.
But she didn't do that. She's being too dismissive.
Foamfollower
(1,097 posts)You know not of what you speak.
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Foamfollower
(1,097 posts)A pundit is free to spout off whatever drivel they choose.
The minority leader of the House has a different set of priorities.
Again, you know not of what you speak.
triron
(21,988 posts)she could have made a stronger statement. Dems are too damn polite.
skylucy
(3,737 posts)skylucy
(3,737 posts)Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)...isn't there yet. He can't be impeached until there are grounds for impeachment with a case to impeach.
Cha
(297,026 posts)Cha
(297,026 posts)The role she's in requires her to judge it right when the big moments, not just the day to day political tittle-tattle, come along.
If she's not going to be " statesmanlike" now, then when ? Don't see the benefit of her playing the role of a student protestor.
pnwmom
(108,973 posts)She is NOT ruling out impeachment once the investigation is completed.
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)and a very effective minority leader.
mcar
(42,287 posts)And a good Democrat. I don't get the haters either.
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)...in 2018.
Of course she'll win any primary and be re-elected.
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)I noticed this from your LA Times article:
He "criticized Pelosi for raising money from corporations and special interests."
If he's interested in running in the primary or ANY election, he'd better bone up on FEC regulations - Pelosi did NOT raise money from corporations, that is illegal.
Simply stated, she didn't!
mcar
(42,287 posts)Why aren't people like him fighting Republicans?
DrDan
(20,411 posts)instead of charging off with feel-good rhetoric.
yardwork
(61,585 posts)elleng
(130,822 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)madaboutharry
(40,199 posts)We don't know enough yet to make that determination. She probably wants him around until 2018 so the democrats can win back the house by running against the chaos caused by this ignoramus.
uponit7771
(90,323 posts)... want to tie Red Don around the necks of KGOP congress folk for elections.
I'm thinking we can't wait till then
We'll see, Nixon was in the low 20s before the KGOP decided to take action with dems
Warpy
(111,222 posts)and the fucking asshole Republicans are going to have to clean up their own filthy mess for once.
I agree with her this time. I didn't agree with her when Stupid was in office. I think the threat should have been there when the Democrats had control. The threat might have kept him more in line.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Warpy
(111,222 posts)They shut us out of government, they're going to have to clean this up, we can't be expected to do it for them.
I'd think the spectacle of all those overstuffed Republicans trying to shovel away the elephant shit would amuse you.
Hekate
(90,616 posts)..is that SHE CAN COUNT VOTES. What that means is she will not bring something to the fore that HAS NO CHANCE.
Nancy Pelosi is an extremely good Democratic liberal politician, but she cannot manufacture votes out of thin air. She is the minority leader of a minority party, and the majority party is not budging yet.
So PLEASE, call and write and protest Republican politicians, and let every Democrat know you will have their back when they do the right thing.
The votes for impeachment simply are not there. --- Yet.
moonscape
(4,673 posts)I trust her on this. For her to raise the heat and cry for impeachment gets us nowhere, stiffens backs. T is doing a really good job of hanging himself. Futile pressure from Pelosi gets us nowhere.
betsuni
(25,437 posts)She said wait until you have a solid case with factual evidence, it's still early in his term.
still_one
(92,108 posts)doing the same thing with Nancy Pelosi.
Gee, I wonder if it is because they favor that jerk Stephen Jaffe who is going to try and run against Pelosi in 2018. Jaffe is the ignoramus who brought up the bullshit lawsuit that (No Party Preference) voters weren't given proper voting instructions. That was thrown out of court in a New York minute, and Jaffe will go down even quicker.
betsuni
(25,437 posts)Especially when non-Democrats say things but when we discuss them we're accused of distorting things even when exactly quoting them. It's a mind game.
still_one
(92,108 posts)Foamfollower
(1,097 posts)First you get the facts. The facts have to be there to impeach.
We don't have the evidence for a case of impeachment yet.
mucifer
(23,521 posts)Foamfollower
(1,097 posts)WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Foamfollower
(1,097 posts)What she said barely resembles anything the OP said she said.
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)From Democratic members of the House.
Foamfollower
(1,097 posts)She doesn't subscribe to calls for impeachment at this early stage. First you gather the facts. The facts must support a case for impeachment before you call for impeachment.
Did you even listen to the video you linked?
mvd
(65,169 posts)I think she was a bit hesitant in her answer. Like she wasn't sure how to put it. She took impeachment off the table before (and I strongly disagreed), and while she did not do that here, I feel we are developing the facts quickly. I don't always agree with how she communicates things.
emulatorloo
(44,096 posts)SaschaHM
(2,897 posts)This OP is going nowhere.
George II
(67,782 posts)...made a lot of sense, she continued after saying "she doesn't subscribe to "it" " that there has to be a case, people have to review the facts.
Cuomo didn't ask her if he should NEVER be impeached, he was speculating about it happening NOW or SOON, to which she said she doesn't subscribe to THAT!
Watch the video again, to the end.
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)Foamfollower
(1,097 posts)The OP is making stuff up about what she said.
Ninsianna
(1,349 posts)inspire much anger, lies and name calling among the Right wing and their allies who infiltrate Democratic and liberal blogs. What is your purpose in typing out such a blatant lie on a thread that is deeply dishonest on its face?
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)She understand the politics of the possible. Impeaching Trump is a popular thing here on DU, but is total BS in the real world. He is the president and his party controls both houses of congress. Name one thing that would be gained by the minority leader of the house, who has no power, declaring that she is going to impeach the president. When all rational people know that it is not going to happen unless the republicans do it.
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)Can do whatever he wants and he will get away with it. Someone needs to take a stand and say ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.
Cha
(297,026 posts)BainsBane
(53,026 posts)Then she'd be a progressive hero.
Foamfollower
(1,097 posts)emulatorloo
(44,096 posts)melman
(7,681 posts)BainsBane
(53,026 posts)Sadly, I've learned that is the very last concern, but that doesn't stop me from pointing out blatant hypocrisy when I see it.
And here you are, continually outraged that someone doesn't share your uncritical adoration of a member of the political elite. Why you have such trouble accepting that is your problem entirely.
SticksnStones
(2,108 posts)BainsBane
(53,026 posts)The House minority leader, yet you don't object to that on the grounds of unity. Instead,my pointing out a recent incident--one of many--in which the same people savaging Pelosi defended comments attacking Democrats for standing up to the GOP as taking political advantage. But that you think I'm referring to someone held as superior to Pelosi and the rest of humanity, that is divisive. No it isn't. It's pointing out the blatant hypocrisy and lack of principle.
I will never, ever go along with the notion that one man takes precedence over the Democratic Party and over citizens. I believe in principles and equality, not submission to great men. I will never acquiesce to the pre-modern, anti-egalitarian ethos that holds one above the many. If you want to build unity, it needs to be around something that matters. As long as people continue to insist that one or two powerful men come before the citizenry, before issues and policy, there is nothing worth unifying around.
SticksnStones
(2,108 posts)But you've lost me on this.
Yes, the OP is clearly an unjustified attack on Pelosi. Around here, Pelosi is often derided as part of the political elite. And also around here, there is a growing chasm between two camps that shall not be named.
I think a lot goes on behind the scenes that we are not witness to...the making of the sausage, if you will. Pelosi has been exceptional at keeping her caucus together. I find tremendous value in that. I'm in that camp.
I'm also in the camp that has noticed that since it is against TOS to relitigate the primary, some folks have found clever ways of continuing the battle through hit pieces. Like this one.
Beyond that, while I respect the passion with which you express your politics and your ethics...I don't understand your beef with my post.
Peace.
Me.
(35,454 posts)Strong women are always suspect
Cha
(297,026 posts)going to be covered up.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Cha
(297,026 posts)Chasstev365
(5,191 posts)Can't you just this one time criticize her? Blind alegence is bad, Cha!
Cha
(297,026 posts)Nancy Pelosi is doing right NOW what a strong Leader does.. getting all her ducks in a row.
And anyone who says she's "weak" has an agenda.
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Cha
(297,026 posts)Democratic Leader of the House and former Democratic Leader of the Senate, GaYellowDawg.
Chasstev365
(5,191 posts)Cha
(297,026 posts)still_one
(92,108 posts)said today:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1776824
Perhaps you need to understand what blind bias is about
Cha
(297,026 posts)still_one
(92,108 posts)Cha
(297,026 posts)Cha
(297,026 posts)he "empowered" this, too.. according to you.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2519174
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Dem2
(8,168 posts)She has little power over the process, I think she was being a little coy after that a-hole Doucheowitz suggested that "she better not make it political"
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)Dem2
(8,168 posts)I liked what Rep. Green said this afternoon. I'd like to see more "ordinary" Democrats making the argument for impeachment.
Back benchers can make a name here and push the "I" word into the narrative.
The leadership doesn't have that sort of freedom in the rhetoric they choose.
Dem2
(8,168 posts)I'd prefer a well spoken unknown over, well, Google "most hated Democrats". Sure, she should signal her support, but leading on this is not the best use of her clout IMO - at least until the Republicans get on board and the ball is clearly rolling that direction.
Foamfollower
(1,097 posts)You know, making sure the facts are gathered.
If a case for impeachment is to be built, it requires a non-partisan third party investigator.
BainsBane
(53,026 posts)JTFrog
(14,274 posts)Your weak attempts to trash Hillary are transparent as hell, so if we have to get this shit done without you, so be it!
Ninsianna
(1,349 posts)Cha
(297,026 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)They need to run on impeachment!
brush
(53,758 posts)She said there wasn't enough evidence yet.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)oasis
(49,365 posts)leader she has become over the years. Pelosi knows what's doable and when to do it.
Jarqui
(10,122 posts)That's at least part of the reason why Trump fired Comey - to slow down the process.
For a case of impeachment to succeed, you need 2/3rds of the Senate. With so many GOP senators, that's a heck of a slam dunk case that is required. I haven't seen that yet.
It is going to take some time.
I think it is premature to call for impeachment - because with what we have right now, there's zero chance it will pass. But there's nothing wrong with musing about it in the media.
Duppers
(28,117 posts)still_one
(92,108 posts)the FBI had reopened the email investigation after Comey sent the letter to the republicans in Congress. That was a lie,, and this is a deliberate misrepresentation of what she said.
She said performance, and reckless behavior by itself are not grounds for impeachment. However, if it can be shown he broke the law, those ARE GROUNDS FOR IMPEACHMENT.
However, even if there were grounds for impeachment, it may shock some who decided not to vote for Hillary by voting third party, that Congress is controlled by the republicans, so unless they decide to impeach it isn't going to happen.
but please, keep propagating the distortions and bullshit
JustAnotherGen
(31,798 posts)brer cat
(24,544 posts)Sparkly
(24,149 posts)yardwork
(61,585 posts)pnwmom
(108,973 posts)and there might already be a strong case for impeachment. As it is, she says we need more facts.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)She knows her shit, and as circumstances develop she will do the right thing.
pnwmom
(108,973 posts)She isn't against impeachment in theory. She is simply saying that in her view it's premature to talk about impeachment; that we need to have the facts first.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)"What are the facts"
As we get more if those, shit may very well change- and fast.
George II
(67,782 posts)obamanut2012
(26,049 posts)DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)work out last time?
I may think Bernie is off his rocker sometimes, but statements like this make people want to clean house rather than be the plote losign team that jobs to the GOP.
Madam45for2923
(7,178 posts)Madam45for2923
(7,178 posts)Forgetting a key word in that title?
LOL! I love how people give themselves away.
riversedge
(70,174 posts)table. I agree.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)I suggest you all watch the video. Truly dishonest representation of the video.
AllaN01Bear
(18,101 posts)ugh. cowardss . all
bullwinkle428
(20,629 posts)She doesn't have that power right now, so I can totally understand her not wanting to go all "Thelma and Louise", speeding off the cliff into the abyss.
Miles Archer
(18,837 posts)What are the rules that he may have violated? She asked, rhetorically. If you dont have that case, youre just participating in more hearsay. And thats not the basis of a and we owe the American people just some stability in all of this.
This is the time where heres supposed to be having his honeymoon what a marriage! she joked, to some laughter from the audience.
So we watch and see, what hes going to do, what is his vision, how is he going to implement the rest, she concluded. And its been sloppy.
https://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/05/15/nancy-pelosi-we-cant-impeach-trump-just-because-we-dislike-his-hair/
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)I can certainly understand the narrative necessarily ignoring her call to first find and investigate objective and relevant facts prior to making any decisions.
Madam45for2923
(7,178 posts)She did not say that
Bleacher Creature
(11,256 posts)And considering the fact that the OP hasn't been corrected after multiple people have pointed out that it's not accurate, the only logical conclusion is it's intentionally deceptive.
DURHAM D
(32,607 posts)Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)Maybe if we take the House and Senate with enough votes in the Senate but otherwise...the GOP should impeach him.
Madam45for2923
(7,178 posts)Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)tammywammy
(26,582 posts)Disgusting. That is NOT what she said.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)obamanut2012
(26,049 posts)Madam45for2923
(7,178 posts)JTFrog
(14,274 posts)Let's just call it what it truly is. Fucking lying bullshit. Just like the lies spread about her by the right wingers got gleefully repeated and reposted by far lefters. And we already know just how aware of that you are.
sheshe2
(83,708 posts)H2O Man
(73,524 posts)I don't think she said that. While she did not advocate impeachment now, it's likely because she knows where the Senate and FBI/Treasury investigations are going. If she advocated impeachment right now, she'd risk becoming "the story." Better to let Trump be the national focus.
JHan
(10,173 posts)brooklynite
(94,452 posts)If you tried to impeach Trump TODAY, he would NOT be impeached, and if he was, he would NOT be convicted by the Senate. Therefore, in the eyes of non-activists voters, he'd be acquitted of whatever charges you threw at him. Is that what you want?
JHan
(10,173 posts)KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)Madam45for2923
(7,178 posts)Response to Madam45for2923 (Reply #110)
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bdamomma
(63,810 posts)POS a pass on everything. He is no Bush, he's worse.
He is taking the country down.
Cha
(297,026 posts)Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)I don't even want to the word "impeachment" said by anyone until all the research is done, the foundation of the case set, the articles absolutely fucking 100% foolproof airtight, and the votes to make this happen are confirmed... There's only going to be one shot at this...
Thanks for your statement.
Cha
(297,026 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)Republicans are in control of Congress.
still_one
(92,108 posts)the republicans to bring to the floor of the House, because the Democrats do not have the majority.
However, if the special counsel uncovers enough incriminating evidence of impeachable crimes, I do not believe the republicans are going to provide cover for him.
Of course that actually wasn't the purpose of the OP. The purpose of the OP was to mischaracterize what Nancy Pelosi said, in order to start a flame bait against Pelosi.
Pelosi never said that impeachment is off the table. What she said is that impeachment cannot be done until the investigations demonstrates there were impeachable offenses. Bernie Sanders, and others have said essentially the same thing.
nycbos
(6,034 posts)If we remove Trump we get Pence.
He is worse in many mays.
If Pence is removed we get Paul Ryan as president.
She is thinking 10 steps ahead.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)we can effectively turn him into a lameduck in 2018, then vote him out in 2020 as well as destroy republicans more and get the country back on track.
Trial_By_Fire
(624 posts)Only when a president lies about getting a blow-job?
We need some Dems with a backbone...
emulatorloo
(44,096 posts)There's video of what Pelosi actually said linked throughout the thread.
The OP is false. Watch the video, see for yourself.
Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)Remember at the end of the day Republicans want what Democrats don't.
AgadorSparticus
(7,963 posts)The rationale is NOT because they love Trump...it is because they want to make sure it doesn't take away from the trump russia collusion. And I don't want it to either. It looks the GOP is guilty in the collusion. Lets focus and give it some time to cast the net far and wide.