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(1,853 posts)
Tue May 16, 2017, 12:50 AM May 2017

Pelosi Is Correct No Impeachment of Trump

Whatever Pelosi’s faults and failings, she’s exhibiting political wisdom in this regard.

The Senate would never convict Trump, and he would go into the 2020 General Election ‘exonerated,’ having put the ‘Russia Thing’ behind him.

Indeed, if Trump were forced out of office Pence would be president – and Pence is worse than Trump; Pence would also have a better chance of winning the presidency in 2020, and we’d be facing a likely 12 years of incompetent Republican rule, something America would clearly not survive.

No, Trump needs to be removed from office by the American people, the same voters who put him in office, where those voters acknowledge that they were wrong in 2016 and have corrected their mistake by electing a Democrat president in 2020.

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Tobin S.

(10,420 posts)
2. I don't think it's that she doesn't want to, she just can't right now.
Tue May 16, 2017, 12:56 AM
May 2017

But I'm of the opinion that he should be removed as soon as possible. Trump is a real danger for the American people and our allies.


Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
4. Trump will leave and Pence will most likely go with him.
Tue May 16, 2017, 01:00 AM
May 2017

Once the money trail is laid out,boom,it will be all over.


(25,544 posts)
5. Is Pelosi Playing 3 Dimensional Chess Here?.....
Tue May 16, 2017, 01:03 AM
May 2017

If she puts the bug in the ears of the Repugs that it's better to not impeach Trump because he would be exonerated and have put the 'Russian Thing' behind him; and Pence would be worse than Trump and he would have a better chance of winning in 2020 - is she hoping that if the Repugs were to believe this - that they would initiate impeachment proceedings.

Is she daring them to do that by using reverse psychology?



(1,097 posts)
6. Look t it this way.
Tue May 16, 2017, 01:06 AM
May 2017

Keep building the pressure, finally get a special prosecutor, win the House back in 2018, Pelosi retakes the Speaker's gavel, Pence gets impeached first, followed by Trump, BOOM, Pelosi becomes the first woman president.


(92,374 posts)
7. All excellent points. Also, as I keep trying to point out...
Tue May 16, 2017, 01:08 AM
May 2017

Nancy P can count votes, and the votes are not there..... Yet.


(93,630 posts)
10. That isn't what Pelosi said. The full context is not being conveyed. She said when it can be shown
Tue May 16, 2017, 01:14 AM
May 2017

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that he has broken the law, that is when we address impeachment.

This is the process going on right now


(93,630 posts)
8. That is NOT what she said. This is a deliberate distortion of what she said.
Tue May 16, 2017, 01:11 AM
May 2017

She said performance, and reckless behavior by itself are not grounds for impeachment. However, if it can be shown he broke the law, those ARE GROUNDS FOR IMPEACHMENT.

As for the statement regarding the OP's "political wisdom, BULL. This isn't political game. You don't turn your head away if someone is endangering the security of the country.


(12,436 posts)
9. do people understand though
Tue May 16, 2017, 01:12 AM
May 2017

All those people who voted for trump will be voting for him in 2020.

There's also Russian meddling to contend with, if Trump is still president come 2020, he
will get another four years.



(491 posts)
13. Doubt that
Tue May 16, 2017, 01:19 AM
May 2017

28 people I know who voted for Trump are no longer supporting him and have been quiet on FB for weeks. They did not even contend when I posted about the news today and stated"I never want to hear about her emails again." The Trump voters who supported Obama will come around, as long as he is there screwing up.

This country needs to learn the lesson that you need to elect a professional to high level elected office. This anti-establishment BS needs to be done away with.

Oh, btw, my friends are from Wisconsin.


(901 posts)
14. A lot of tRump support was soft and has now evaporated. They didn't vote for crazy; they
Tue May 16, 2017, 02:33 AM
May 2017

voted for the return of their manufacturing jobs. They found out he's insane and incompetent and a clown. They've also discovered he and his fellow Republicans are destroying the EPA, aiming to shove tRump/Ryancare down our throats, and tRump has thick Russian ties and has now attempted to obstruct justice, etc., etc., etc. No way would these people vote for President Dumbass again.



(3,163 posts)
11. It's not just "semantics"
Tue May 16, 2017, 01:14 AM
May 2017
"...we’d be facing a likely 12 years of incompetent Republican rule."

"Republican rule?" Dude, this is not Syria or some tinpot dictatorship. The president does not "rule."

"...by electing a Democrat president in 2020."

It is the Democratic Party. George W. Bush was fond of insulting us by calling it the "Democrat Congress," but that was an indication of his stupidity and ignorance. Please, it's, "...by electing a Democratic president in 2020," or "...by electing a Democrat as president in 2020."

Princess Turandot

(4,799 posts)
12. Actually, she did not say that...
Tue May 16, 2017, 01:19 AM
May 2017

She was asked about the calls of some of the Dem House members to start impeachment proceedings NOW. Her response was that she did not 'subscribe to that', with 'that' being those members' posture, because she believed that the process should not be started until the facts were assembled.

Of course, starting impeachment proceedings in the House is in the Republicans' hands right now, not Nancy Pelosi's.


(16,913 posts)
15. Regardless of what she said it's a tall order at this stage
Tue May 16, 2017, 02:40 AM
May 2017

I'm very bullish about 2018, especially the house, but we could retake the senate and still not get anywhere near the 66-67 votes in the senate that would be needed to convict and remove him from office. This is why Bill Clinton was not removed from office after being impeached by the house.

Any impeachment would need GOP senate votes, the party of party before country. It's difficult to see that happening at the moment. In the future? To be determined.


(8,322 posts)
16. Trump will be not impeached unless
Tue May 16, 2017, 07:09 AM
May 2017

Democrats first take back the House of Representatives. A Republican majority in the Senate might still vote in favor of impeaching the president, but nothing happens until a simple majority of the House votes to bring forth articles. I think it's safe to say that Paul Ryan will never allow that vote to happen. So 2019, more specifically November of 2018, is our next opportunity to change that.

In the meantime, there's a 25th Amendment remedy for the GOP that cuts Congress out (Article 4, specifically), and you will see that it's been the topic of discussion for at least the past 90 days (including on Rachel Maddow's show). Whether they employ that sooner than 18 months from now -- or not -- probably depends on the level of public outcry.

Contact your Republican Congress critters.

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