your speculations? end of Obama, Trump presidencies

[InformedElitist]

Two-part question with no clear answers (yet) ... but what do you think?

- Even if all the dots were not yet connected, surely Obama knew something about all these ties between the Kremlin and the Trump campaign and family. Why didn't he say more about it - esp. between the time after the election and when the Electoral College met? Maybe he was/is playing some kind of long game whose ending isn't so clear to us yet. Maybe he was doing his usual passive "stay above the fray, we need a peaceful transition of power" shtick. But there was nothing normal about this whole election. And nothing's been close to normal since. This was far worse than Bush v. Gore or any other election in American history that involved some sort of shenanigans. This was a hostile enemy not only interfering with the election, but the "winner" was in collusion with it. I'd have been shouting from the rooftops, but then again, I'm just ranting on a computer whereas Obama was the most cerebral, competent president in my lifetime.

- How do you think the Trump story ends? Every time this vile...thing...does something outrageous/offensive/illegal, he gets away with it, if not rewarded. Short of getting us all killed or indefinitely poverty-stricken, one scenario I'm dreading is his quitting or getting pardoned and going right back to one of his bazillion homes emboldened, empowered and further enriched. Geez, I hope I'm wrong, but karma just never seems to catch up with him.

[Seedersandleechers]

1. I think Trump will take down the GOP

and then I'll praise him as being the greatest American. (Okay, so I can dream - can't I)?

[Soxfan58]

3. Not that far fetched

He may trigger a unintentional progressive revolution in the US. In ways its already started. But "greatest american" no fucking way, maybe in cell block B!

[Bernardo de La Paz]

4. He'll take them down only if we tie them to him irrevocably in the public's mind.

Any time they support him or vote for his legislation, they must be nailed. They need to be put on the spot to defend him as much as possible. Their policies must be called Trump policies.

I'm sure there are other ways too.

[InformedElitist]

5. yes

People have short memories. It dawned on me within the last day or two that Ford only barely lost in '76 just two years after pardoning Nixon. And Republicans now control the entire federal gov't despite the Bush administration effing up the economy and getting us into Iraq not that long ago. Somehow, the Trump administration is worse than Nixon and W Bush combined - and it literally gets worse every day. We can let people forget this - esp. the duped swing voters who either voted for him out of desperation or spite, or didn't show up at all.

[Soxfan58]

2. Unlike Pres. Dumb ass

President Obama knows enough not to leak info on a ongoing investigation.

[InformedElitist]

6. well, yeah...

but couldn't there have been some legal way to at least throw a red flag similar to the Comey letter (I do realize that, too, was forced b/c of the threat of a Giuliani/NY leak)? Whatever the case, the "everything is gonna be OK" shtick just didn't sit well with me even at the time. I realize there are bigger fish to fry...and currently.