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jaysunb

(11,856 posts)
Tue May 23, 2017, 01:19 AM May 2017

Clarence Thomas Joins Liberals, Shocks World

On Monday, the Supreme Court issued a landmark decision holding that two congressional districts in North Carolina were racially gerrymandered in violation of the Constitution. The broad ruling will likely have ripple effects on litigation across the country, helping plaintiffs establish that state legislatures unlawfully injected race into redistricting. And, in a welcome change, the decision did not split along familiar ideological lines: Justice Clarence Thomas joined the four liberal justices to create a majority, following his race-blind principles of equal protection to an unusually progressive result.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2017/05/in_cooper_v_harris_the_supreme_court_strikes_a_blow_against_racial_redistricting.html

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Clarence Thomas Joins Liberals, Shocks World (Original Post) jaysunb May 2017 OP
He may have just redeemed himself (very slightly however). BigmanPigman May 2017 #1
Maybe Trump has pushed him over the edge and opened his eyes a bit? nt Quixote1818 May 2017 #2
I think you may be on to something, maybe the orange arthritisR_US May 2017 #5
maybe the Garland / Gorsuch thing got to him Skittles May 2017 #7
Maybe it is a TIA burrowowl May 2017 #15
Maybe he had to actually think for himself, now that Fat Tony is gone... lastlib May 2017 #12
Actually, if you study the history and AJ Thomas' voting record rpannier May 2017 #16
Well, in Whoville they say that the Grinchs small heart grew three sizes that day. CentralMass May 2017 #3
Wow.. That's is shocking.. Cha May 2017 #4
+1 n/t jaysunb May 2017 #30
I never thought I would say this Skittles May 2017 #6
Perhaps he gets to have his own opinions now that Antonin is dead? Volaris May 2017 #8
i actually think this does have a lot to do with it JI7 May 2017 #10
+1 progressoid May 2017 #11
Like a marriage where one spouse dies & it frees the other be their real selves and think their own Madam45for2923 May 2017 #20
I wondered the exact same thing. n/t AwakeAtLast May 2017 #31
i thought this was going to be something involving porn JI7 May 2017 #9
Long Dong Silver! longship May 2017 #21
Wonderful! How may this affect 2018? Hortensis May 2017 #13
I read that it won't actually affect the distribution of seats. Calista241 May 2017 #24
I would NEVER have guess Thomas would side with the liberals, especially on this issue. Hamlette May 2017 #14
Say What???? The world's definitely coming to an end. ATL Ebony May 2017 #17
Don't know why people are surprised rpannier May 2017 #18
This, the ruling is consistent with his principles Amishman May 2017 #26
Isn't Anthony Kennedy suppose to be a swing vote? nkpolitics1212 May 2017 #19
It's consistent with his past votes. wildeyed May 2017 #22
Apparently there are limits to the number of civil rights he will destroy. Orsino May 2017 #23
. Baitball Blogger May 2017 #25
Like all conservatives, he only "gets it" when he's personally affected BlancheSplanchnik May 2017 #27
well put. n TheFrenchRazor May 2017 #33
Crazy thought: It would be hilarious if Thomas voted with the liberals now. GBizzle May 2017 #28
It's consistent with his past opinions on similar issues Shrek May 2017 #29
His Svengali Is Gone colsohlibgal May 2017 #32
stopped clock, pigs fly, Satan straps on ice skates... Thanks Justice Thomas! nt steve2470 May 2017 #34

Skittles

(153,113 posts)
7. maybe the Garland / Gorsuch thing got to him
Tue May 23, 2017, 01:53 AM
May 2017

who knows? Glad to see him acting like a human being for a change.

lastlib

(23,162 posts)
12. Maybe he had to actually think for himself, now that Fat Tony is gone...
Tue May 23, 2017, 02:38 AM
May 2017

...though I would have supposed Clarence would have held a seance to at least try to contact him.

rpannier

(24,328 posts)
16. Actually, if you study the history and AJ Thomas' voting record
Tue May 23, 2017, 03:25 AM
May 2017

this is exactly in line with what he has thought for over 20 years
It's just that, his opinions were viewed as opposed to affirmative action and the rights of the minorities.As the article points out, the left discovered that Easley and Shaw actually worked against progressive movement because it allowed the kind of outrageous gerrymandering that has gone on in places like NC

Cha

(296,858 posts)
4. Wow.. That's is shocking..
Tue May 23, 2017, 01:39 AM
May 2017

certainly could use some good news now. I bet the Fascistrumps are Shocked too!

Mahalo, Jay

JI7

(89,240 posts)
10. i actually think this does have a lot to do with it
Tue May 23, 2017, 02:09 AM
May 2017

we always made fun of him by saying he did whatever scalia told him to but i think that was more truth than joke.

 

Madam45for2923

(7,178 posts)
20. Like a marriage where one spouse dies & it frees the other be their real selves and think their own
Tue May 23, 2017, 07:37 AM
May 2017

thoughts and make up their own minds.

longship

(40,416 posts)
21. Long Dong Silver!
Tue May 23, 2017, 08:39 AM
May 2017

Too bad there's no YouTube clips of the SNL skit.

Google "Long dong Silver Thomas" and you'll find SNL and C-SPAN hearings.


Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
13. Wonderful! How may this affect 2018?
Tue May 23, 2017, 02:42 AM
May 2017

And there's another, much bigger jerrymandering challenge coming.

Next term, the Supreme Court will almost certainly hear Gill v. Whitford, a challenge to partisan redistricting alleging that the practice discriminates on the basis of political association, violating voters’ free-speech and equal-protection rights. The outcome of that case could permanently alter American politics by proscribing either party from using political gerrymanders to seize and maintain a legislative monopoly. Harris was a satisfying appetizer. But Whitford will be the main course.


Btw, I love that this case was brought to SCOTUS by (some currently extremely unhappy!) right-wingers trying to reinforce subversion of democracy.

Calista241

(5,586 posts)
24. I read that it won't actually affect the distribution of seats.
Tue May 23, 2017, 09:27 AM
May 2017

Republican will still have control of 10 of the 13 NC Congressional districts.

Hamlette

(15,408 posts)
14. I would NEVER have guess Thomas would side with the liberals, especially on this issue.
Tue May 23, 2017, 03:24 AM
May 2017

hell froze over? Is he such an ideologue that he can't stand Trump might not be a true conservative? (He sure has governed that way so far). Soul searching? Converted to ESP?

rpannier

(24,328 posts)
18. Don't know why people are surprised
Tue May 23, 2017, 04:53 AM
May 2017

He voted the same way he did 20+ years ago in Shaw v Hunt
It's just back then, the liberal wing supported the gerrymandered districts and the conservatives did not
So it failed
He also voted the same way in Easley (2001). O' Connor flipped in that one, so it passed
He's been consistent on this

Amishman

(5,554 posts)
26. This, the ruling is consistent with his principles
Tue May 23, 2017, 10:17 AM
May 2017

While I strongly disagree with darn near all of his beliefs, I will give Thomas credit in that he follows them regardless of the political outcome.

nkpolitics1212

(8,617 posts)
19. Isn't Anthony Kennedy suppose to be a swing vote?
Tue May 23, 2017, 07:33 AM
May 2017

Ginsburg,Breyer,Kagen,and Sotomayor are the Liberal jurists.
Roberts,Alito,Gorsuch,and Thomas are the Conservative Jurists.

wildeyed

(11,243 posts)
22. It's consistent with his past votes.
Tue May 23, 2017, 08:54 AM
May 2017

12th district was gerrymandered by Democrats to yield a black representative, back in the bad old days when white Southern Dems wouldn't vote for black Dems. Thomas voted against that too, so he's being consistent, at least.

According to Election Law post, the loss of Kennedy is the more unexpected

http://electionlawblog.org/?p=92707

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
27. Like all conservatives, he only "gets it" when he's personally affected
Tue May 23, 2017, 10:27 AM
May 2017

They only relate/identity with people the same as them, the same struggles.

 

GBizzle

(209 posts)
28. Crazy thought: It would be hilarious if Thomas voted with the liberals now.
Tue May 23, 2017, 10:40 AM
May 2017

He doesn't have Scalia to lead him around by the nose any more, and it would be so funny to see the Republicans go nuts after all the bullshit they pulled putting Gorsuch on the court.

Bush Sr., after all, did appoint David Souter. So it's not completely outside the realm of possibility.

Shrek

(3,975 posts)
29. It's consistent with his past opinions on similar issues
Tue May 23, 2017, 10:43 AM
May 2017

It's the other justices who are all over the place.

colsohlibgal

(5,275 posts)
32. His Svengali Is Gone
Tue May 23, 2017, 11:25 PM
May 2017

Without Scalia in his ear he may actually be thinking more clearly. I hope it keeps up.


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