Get a F@#KING Job Grandma!!!

[maxrandb]

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that appears to be the "hard choices" the ReTrumplicans are proposing with their budget...and make no mistake. This is NOT Donnie "Short Fingers" budget...it's the ReTrumplicans. Don't let them run away from it.

Heard some talking head on NPR this morning talking about the "tough choices" states are going to have to make. Cut benefits to the poor, reduce eligibility for the disabled, etc. The only "tough choice" that was missing was TAXING THE FUCKING SHIT OUT OF PEOPLE LIKE DONALD TRUMP.

Fuck - kicking poor people takes ZERO political courage. Raising taxes on the 1%? Well, that would take some fucking political courage.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/22/trump-budget-cut-social-programs-238696

"Mulvaney rejected accusations that Trump’s budget unfairly targets the poor, arguing instead that it amounts to a broad rethink of the country’s welfare system.

“We need folks to work. We need people to go to work. If you’re on food stamps, and you're able-bodied, we need you to go to work. If you’re on disability insurance and you're not supposed to be, we need you to work,” he added. “There’s a dignity to work, and there’s a necessity to work.”"

[Phoenix61]

1. What a completely clueless ass

Apparently he doesn't realize you can work and still qualify for food stamps. Wal-Mart is a perfect example. And why do they pay such low wages? So the Wal-Mart family and stockholders can rake in that money. I've got a novel concept, how about they stop defeating laws to raise the minimum wage so when people go to work they can afford to buy the things they need to live. And here's another neat idea, how about they stop trying to completely break the unions so workers are able to negotiate with management for fair wages. Nah, they'll never do that. Wouldn't want the peons getting uppity.

[Initech]

4. Yeah really how many billiions does one need?

I would think after the first 3 or 4 billion, you're good. But no single person needs $117 billion. What do you buy with that kind of money? You don't need 18 houses, or 26 Bentleys that you'll never live in or drive. You don't need a yacht the size of a small city.

Or do you let it sit and collect interest? They just don't need this kind of money. They're bleeding us dry and it's all just to add more to the pile. Some day we're going to rise up against them and take back what's rightfully ours.

[world wide wally]

5. The only thing on Earth there is no limit to is greed

[Initech]

7. When there's no one left to buy anything...

The billionaires will go broke too. They just want enough money floating in that it keeps them rich and the rest of us fighting over it, while they laugh all the way to the bank. Kind of like the guy who works just hard enough so they won't get fired.

[brush]

54. Exactly. Without-a-clue CEOs off-shoring jobs and bringing in robots...

means no workers to pay all right, but also no consumers to buy product.

Greed clouds their brains I guess.

[Initech]

56. The only thing I will say Trump is right on is buy American.

It's a good idea in thoery but it does nothing to help create new jobs or better working conditions. As long as right to work laws exist, the only beneficiaries will be The upper 1% and they'll keep tricking us into voting for shit like this. The republicans can talk shit about jobs all they want but it's like gambling - the house always wins. And the billionaires - the Kochs, Mercers, etc, are the house. Until our wages are increased, the right wing billionaires are the ones who will keep winning.

[brush]

57. Yep, and they're making college just about out of reach but for the rich...

because educated people ask too many questions about where the money goes from increased productivity because it sure doesn't get shared with the workers who produce it.

[Initech]

59. Yup - it's gambling and the house always wins.

And the billionaires have rigged the house.

[maxrandb]

17. I get so sick of folks

That were born on 3RD Base, or were given a "small gift" of $50M in seed money from their father, lecturing us about "the dignity and necessity" of work.

[Blue_Tires]

60. Even Mulvaney knows this

he's just following orders like the loyal little toady he is...

[bresue]

71. and his statement "have compassion on taxpayers!"

is the stupidest excuse or rationale to cut taxes that I have ever heard....

[HughBeaumont]

2. Where are they going to work?

The GOP are all about downsizing, offshore outsourcing and automating good-to-average paying jobs out of existence.

Even white collar work, which you apparently need perpetual degrees and a total sacrifice of family and social life for, is on the table.

[CrispyQ]

41. None of this even occurs to them.

Almost all of our government has been taken over by these inhumane, privileged, (mostly) white men.

[HughBeaumont]

45. None of this ever occurs to their voters.

Nominate mostly rich white male third-basers to run everything . . . and you'll get a country that almost exclusively CATERS to rich white male third-basers.

Hopefully middle America will figure it out some decade . . .

[bullwinkle428]

3. Reaganomics on steroids.

[TBA]

6. My Sister Scams Social Security

Claims disability based on depression yet she is always out and about, even participating in a local theater group. She is in no way depressed to the point required to get disability.

She has been doing this for years. It chaps me to no end.

Then I know others that really depend on that paltry 760.00 (ish) per month. Mentally able people who would love to work but no one will even consider hiring them because of physical limitations and illnesses. The ones I know volunteer instead.

I could back a strong effort to reduce fraud.

[gratuitous]

8. Cool story, bro

Where is your medical degree from, and you know it's unethical for you to treat close family members, right?

[TBA]

15. I'm not a BRO

And my sister is a Social Security Cheater. They exist. She is one.

[gratuitous]

18. Touchy!

So, where is your medical degree from, and you know it's still unethical for you to treat family members, right?

On a serious note, and giving you the benefit of the doubt you don't deserve, do you have any idea whatsoever how thorough the screening is to qualify for Social Security Disability? Just because you don't think your sister is deserving of the princely sum of $760 a month to keep her body and soul together doesn't mean she isn't qualified for it. During the time I worked in disability law, claimants had to go through the tortures of the damned to secure a medical opinion that would withstand the beady-eyed scrutiny of a vocational expert, the willingness of an administrative law judge to substitute his own opinion for that of a medical professional, and the steely indifference of a federal judge who couldn't be bothered to follow the law and the facts.

Unless you're a trained medical professional who has conducted a thorough examination of the claimant, I'm confident in saying that you don't know what you're talking about.

[2naSalit]

46. +1

[nini]

48. So you don't think there is fraud involved in some of these disability claims?

LOL
I'm disabled and work though I qualify for SSDI but that is because I have a much needed degree in the work world and can work sitting down. I know a couple people who are proud they have beat the system and get the disability - which is very unfair to those folks who really need it IMHO. It is an unfortunate fact - not all doctors are saints with this stuff.


Where is your medical degree from that you can diagnose an unknown via the internet?

[gratuitous]

67. I didn't say that at all

Obviously your field of expertise doesn't include reading for comprehension. Or is that your disability that you heroically overcome?

[nini]

68. Nah..My legs got torn up in a head-on collision

My brain is just fine and is telling me you're just loving to piss people off.

bye

[gratuitous]

69. No, I think your brain really is broken

I never said anything about there being no fraud in the SSDI system, and you can't point to anywhere that I said that. I did say that it's extraordinarily hard to get benefits awarded in many cases because of all the administrative hoops one must jump through.

But by all means, let's spend millions or billions every year on the off chance that we can save a few thousand by weeding out the scammers who got through the system. It's the same "logic" that applies to drug testing "welfare" recipients. After spending hundreds of thousands of tax dollars, Republicans are so very proud of themselves when they catch three or four drug addicts (never mind the possibility of a false positive result). It's like using a cannon to get a fly in the house.

[nini]

70. Where did I say millions need to be spent on seeking out fraud?

I did not nor do i believe it is necessary.

And I'm the one with the reading comprehension problem?

[CountAllVotes]

10. How lucky she is to have a brother like you

You sound like my brother.

I suffer from multiple sclerosis and no, I cannot work any more.

Try telling him that!

He's the one yanking the system claiming to be a disabled vet due to flat feet or some such shit.

Good luck dude, you need it!

[maxrandb]

11. Because, OBVIOUSLY, the only people that commit fraud

are the poor, the working poor, and the middle class. Never ANY fraud from the 1%

There is always going to be some folks that will try to game the system, but those numbers are such a small percentage compared to the folks that are helped by our social programs that it barely merits a mention.

I think you've identified how the Wingnuts thought process works.

"If I am in need, it's because I'm a 'salt of the earth', hard-scrabble 'Murikan'". "If someone else is in need, they're a 'shiftless, lazy, good-for-nothing' taker".

Thanks for the clarification.

Can't wait until the fucking redneck rubes find out that they are going to be on the hook for Grandma's $12,000 a month Nursing Home care once she's thrown off of Medicaid.

[CountAllVotes]

14. The going rate is $270/day

I should know, my BIL is in this situation having suffered a severe stroke recently.

They'll take all he has by the time he is gone.

[Zoonart]

28. So sorry for your BIL

My dad had a massive stroke and spent two and a half years in skilled nursing at a home in NJ @ $13,000 per month.
and, yes, they will take it all before Medicaid kicks in... oh wait... no Medicaid? IMHO that is when the shit will hit the fan.

[CountAllVotes]

39. I see no chance he will recover

He is abt. 85 years old and spent his life working with his hands. He has no use of his right side or hand as it now stands.

I keep telling him to stay positive and that I know he can improve! He is so very sad! He is all a person could ask for in a BIL and this happened last year.

Thank you for your kind comments and yes, this will likely finish him off and also a few rather very rich people I know too. At $270/day, that is abt. $90K a month or $100,000.00 a year. It gets very real when something like this happens and yes, reality can sure suck!

[Zoonart]

43. So very very sad for everyone involved.

My thoughts and prayers go with you and yours. I understand completely how emotionally and financially devastating this can be.
Make every moment count.

[CountAllVotes]

51. It is very sad

He is more or less the family patriarch. He is always there for everyone in his family of what was once one of ten. There are four left, one being my husband.

One by one I've watched them go. One was in a Catholic nursing home (which suited her just fine being she is of that faith), the rest of them died in a hospital or at home.

So far it is two out of the six that have had to go the 24-hr. care need route. One lost their home and the other is this BIL I mention who certainly deserves more given the very difficult life he has lived.

If it happens around here, we will be sunk. I fear for the worst given my own DX which is not at all good and as for my husband, he is doing fairly well for his age but he does have some serious problems.

I have a difficult time trying to stay positive for my BIL but I think it is about all I can do. He would not speak about it for months after it happened. I kept sending him Get Well wishes in the mail and finally he called. So very sad for such a very kind man.

[Zoonart]

53. ((((((((((((((((((((((((Hugs)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

[dembotoz]

23. disabiltiy is harder to get than you think

years ago i worked for a cap agency and some the reject stories was heart wrenching....

funny story about rude awakenings.....
my wife had leukemia and i as i usual am....was in denial about her chances for survival while that fact that she was toast was painfully obvious to any and everybody....Anyway....first time claims were(are?) routinely denied...So when Dear Barbara sailed thru and got disability the first time thru i had to admit that damnit..my wife was really sick....

[CountAllVotes]

24. True

There is a person that goes to the local MS support group and said person is getting ready for the final review by a judge (this has been going on for years). Said person has declined tremendously since I've know him/her and can barely walk and can no longer see. Denied 3X for some reason. I fear by the time he/she finally gets what they are due, they will indeed be close to death.

So no, they don't hand out SSDI to just anyone, that is for sure! Shame on this fool and I am very sorry to read about "Dear Barbara".

[riversedge]

29. congress should money into reducing fraud, not making all suffer for the deeds of some.

[CountAllVotes]

30. SSDI or SSI?

Your sister must have worked for 10 (ten) years to qualify for SSDI (40 work quarters are required).

The amount you receive is based on how much you have paid into social security disability insurance which is taken out of everyone's pay check, including yours (check your pay stub).

If she only gets a little over $700 a month, I think she must be on SSI as that is a fixed amount depending upon the state you live in.

SSDI or SSI? https://www.ssa.gov/ssi/

Do you know? Is she on Medicare? If she is not on Medicare she is likely not receiving SSDI, she is receiving SSI (Supplemental Security Insurance which is paid by the state) which is not based on work history necessarily and in many cases none depending on the circumstances.

[obamanut2012]

31. lolz

no

[dchill]

34. "I could back a strong effort to reduce fraud."

Please don't. Democrats support empathy, and erring on the side of caution. Maybe you should check out Libertarianism.

[uponit7771]

38. So you think she's a reliable worker because she goes to theatre? REALLY?!?!?!!?!!?!?!?!!

[nini]

49. I agree with the fraud angle.

I know a guy with 'back' problems who is on a sweet disability package from Sony pictures. He's on his roof fixing stuff, plastered his house etc.. amazes me he can do all that with a bad back

[anneboleyn]

61. If his "sweet package" is from Sony, it has zero to do with SSDI. He has disability insurance as

part of the job he once held with Sony. That is private disability insurance or long term disability, and it pays about 30% (up to 40%) of what the person's salary was while working. Losing 2/3 of one's income plus medical expenses is not something most people want to do for the hell of it. Both federal (SSDI) and private plans demand CONSTANT updates on one's medical condition, and they demand CONSTANT reports from doctors indicating that the patient is still unable to work (most of the disability programs do yearly check-ins after awhile but much more frequent check-ins initially). The initial application processes are exceptionally tough, and if you don't have a disability that can be seen via imaging, it can be nearly impossible to get disability.

To get SSDI a doctor who is qualified must determine that you are disabled PERMANENTLY AND INCAPABLE OF ANY WORK. Very few doctors are willing to write fake/extremely exaggerated reports as the first application is frequently denied, and many people have to go to court to get SSDI. Most doctors aren't willing to support a patient that they don't consider permanently disabled.

I get that you think based on your neighbor (I guess you are implying that you know all about his condition as well since you sarcastically implied that he must not have a real back problem?) that disability is handed out like candy, and that there are layabouts everywhere who would rather find a doctor willing to write reports and updates on their "condition" and receive approx $900 a month from the federal gov than work a job that pays many times that amount. Oh, I forgot. He has a "sweet deal" from Sony, which according to you cheated his way into -- be careful with those assumptions/accusations.

I will never understand the extremely nasty streak in this country that is very visible when the disabled and/or sick are being discussed. I've seen the "x isn't reeaally sick" objection when a person has no idea what another is experiencing nor have they spoken at length with qualified physicians about x. There are many soldiers with debilitating PTSD who cannot work normal jobs. Yet there are types who would claim that they are not really sick -- "he looks fine to me! He sits around on his porch!"

[nini]

63. It was a general comment about abuse only

And yes I know about his condition - don't question me unless you know about him personally yourself.

I myself am disabled - I live with it everyday. I have been out of work etc.. because of it. I live it. No lecture needed.

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[maveric]

9. What fucking jobs!

I've been looking for four years now. I'm 61 in SoCal and all the jobs are minimum wage, no benefits and in the service sector. I'm a fucking engineer.

[maxrandb]

12. You're going to have to be a Walmart greeter

it's the only way they can get to the 3.4% GDP growth they are fantasizing about.

Take heart though, they can grind your bones to make their bread, and use your guts to grease the skids of their tanks once they've used you up.

These are some sick fucks, and there are millions that support them

[maveric]

13. They simply don't need us anymore.

The future is bleak.

[workinclasszero]

16. Trump/Republican Deathcare is on the way folks!

[Runningdawg]

19. Who the fuck do they think

are going to hire people who have no car to get to work, no money for public transport, needs to visit the Dr frequently during work days, needs to visit the rest room frequently during work or wears diapers, can't stand or sit for prolonged periods of time....I could go on and on. But you get the point.

[SaschaHM]

20. I know a ton of hardworking individuals

who work full time and are on welfare because their employer is under no obligation to pay them a living wage. So unless Mulvaney wants to address the rising cost of child care, housing, and the minimum wage, he needs to shut his damn mouth.

Heck, my parents aren't on welfare, one is retired (and a vet) and the other works full time and a higher than average utility bill is enough to set them back financially some months.

[WinkyDink]

27. He needs to shut his mouth, all right---permanently. IYKWIM.

[dalton99a]

21. "Get yer lazy ass out of that wheelchair and nursing home!"

[maxrandb]

22. Or, as a famous writer once said

"Move it Grandma...I've got money on your ass!!"

[WinkyDink]

25. And where, pray tell, Mr. Mulvaney? How did you twist your mind into this?

[kimbutgar]

26. Grandma and grandpa voted for chump

They will suffer the results of their votes by voting for the conman. And when they fall they won't be able to get up because all those services will be cut.

[dalton99a]

33. They will blame Obama.

Their logic fades with age

[workinclasszero]

35. Sadly you are right

You know how con men prey on elder folks.

Trump is just the latest con and some of his voters will pay with their lives for supporting him when his Deathcare passes and he signs it into law.

[CountAllVotes]

36. So true

These people are so in love with money that they can't see the reality of it (ref. my above post re: my BIL that has had a severe stroke and pays $270/day for 24-hour care). It will likely deplete all of his finances if he lives for any length of time. He is a retired contractor and no, he does not have long-term care which is what a person would need if they do not qualify for Medicaid (in his case he does not qualify because he has more than $2K in the bank).

[nini]

62. Not really

My mom is 92 and would NEVER vote republican - EVER.

A lot of her buddies are the same way. They remember the Depression etc.. and know how those repubs are when it comes to the working folks and needy.

Now that doesn't mean others didn't vote like that because they're stupid and brainwashed.

[Beaverhausen]

32. I became a "Grandma" at 51 years old. Stop using that term like Grandmas aren't still productive

Sorry, had to say it. I'm so sick of this term being used derogatorily.

[CountAllVotes]

42. It applies to every single person in the USA!

Right you are. I am no grandma either and have been disabled for years (since my early 40s!).

Maybe the OP could change the title to, "Watch OUT! The Con will take all YOU have!" ... or something similar (?).

[treestar]

37. Nice assumption - that one who needs help

could just as easily find a job right away. This is how right wingers think of it. Until it happens to them.

[Stargazer99]

44. Then damn it bring back the jobs from overseas so someone can find a job!

There is nothing like kicking a person when they are down

[jesskirablue42]

47. All this talk about "the dignity of work"

and all the other flowery superlatives he uses to describe work..

If he says "work is freedom" next, I wouldn't be surprised..and we all know where that motto was used historically..if you ask me, his is of the very same mindset.

[mountain grammy]

50. Here's a website about Mick Mulvaney

and what a piece of shit he is..

http://mickmulvaney.com/

and the Democrat running in the special election for fucker Mulvaney's seat.

http://archieparnell.com/

[Warpy]

52. So where are all the jobs that pay living wages?

Oh, right...

[stopbush]

55. Where's the plan to fight AGEISM in the job market?

Over 55? Forget it. We're not interested.

They want seniors to be forced to do jobs like picking up the dog shit left by the rich person's pets, and they'll be using their hands, BTW. That'll teach em to get old/poor.

[maxrandb]

64. If they're Retrumplican voters

They can have FAUX News convince them that they can pick up the dog turds by the "clean end"

[NickB79]

58. Cool, Mulvaney, I love to work! What time should I drop the kids off at your daycare?

Should I drop them off at your house, or will your mom be watching them for me? You are going to help me find a place for my kids to stay while I'm at work, right?

And you're going to cover the difference when my minimum-wage job can't keep the lights on, food on the table, and gas in the furnace, right? Cause about the only jobs hiring now pay below a living wage. Or are you going to promote unions again to get that fixed?

[maxrandb]

66. Promote Unions??

Hell, they've convinced the rubes who vote for them that the reason they have crappy wages and shitty labor rights is because of Unions.

Don't know who they will blame once they've destroyed all bargaining power.

This country has a shit-ton of problems, but one problem we don't have is that the American worker has too much power

[Kittycow]

65. It seems that there's more fraud by the providers

than the recipients of some of these programs.

[LWolf]

72. And if great-grandma already has a job?

My mom, almost 80, and a great-grandmother, does.

She has to supplement her limited retirement; she's fiercely independent. She works 20 hours a week with 4 clients: cognitively disabled adults, young and older. She drives them places. She shadows them at "jobs" offered in the local community so that they can do something "productive;" mostly stocking shelves or cleaning up. She supervises them while they work. She teaches them social skills and communication skills. She serves, and is paid minimum wage to do so, to supplement her SS.

She refuses to take monetary help from us. She WILL let us help her with some physical work. When we show up to help with physical chores, we bring bags of groceries, because she still struggles to make ends meet. When her car or house needs major repairs, she takes on more working hours; then she gets exhausted and sick.