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Sat Jul 7, 2012, 02:00 AM

The American Navy: A Global Force for Good...

Well that is the slogan. But what does it really mean, a global force for good.

Perhaps the commercial is claiming that these aircraft carriers bring goodwill to the ports of the world.

Perhaps they are claiming that the US Navy, funded by the future earnings of American taxpayers, makes sure that it is safe for the massive container ships moving about the oceans laden with all those cheap imports to the US as well as oil to the US and other markets around the world.

In other words, we, the American taxpayers, are subsidizing the undermining of the US economy.

You see if we weren't borrowing so much money just to keep those shipping lanes open, the balance of trade would be much much lower.

That means the dollar would be worth more and could actually improve the chances of things being made here again in the good old US of A

Also, who are we keeping those trade lanes open for anyway.

Well there is that oil But it really is to keep all those trinkets and other doo dads that we need to feel like we are worth something.

A little esoteric for a friday night but pain killers and cough medicine brings about a certain kind of clarity that should not be stifled.

Anyway, think about it the next time you see that commercial for the US Navy. Makes you feel proud, or does it make you feel uncomfortable about subsidizing the free traders of the world who are doing their best to undermine the way of life for millions of Americans.

Of course Mitt and his "hard" line cronies get real excited when they see that commercial because they know that there is another mile driven between those pesky downtrodden masses and the enclaves their wealth has built has erected in the in between.

Or maybe it just makes you feel great that we have more aircraft carriers than the rest of the world combined.

They cost about $4.5 billion to make and at least half that much to keep out at sea. And remember, that doesn't cover the cost of the aircrafts that must tally up in the billions because they are specialty aircrafts.

The question we should all be asking is "Do we really need more aircraft carriers and the support ships that travel with, than all the rest of the world combined?"

China enjoys the safe transit of all those goods to the US for practically nothing as we supply the safety. Now I wouldn't mind if we were getting a little something for the effort, you know....

Don't get me completely wrong, I do find pride when the US is the first responders to natural disasters all over the world, in that sense we are a force for good...

Well it's late, the pain is creeping back so I want to fall asleep before it gets too much to sleep.

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Reply The American Navy: A Global Force for Good... (Original post)
WCGreen Jul 2012 OP
HooptieWagon Jul 2012 #1
WCGreen Jul 2012 #2
HooptieWagon Jul 2012 #3
WCGreen Jul 2012 #19
leveymg Jul 2012 #4
loose wheel Jul 2012 #13
leveymg Jul 2012 #18
1-Old-Man Jul 2012 #5
warrprayer Jul 2012 #6
Bigmack Jul 2012 #7
PavePusher Jul 2012 #10
Bigmack Jul 2012 #11
KatChatter Jul 2012 #15
Bigmack Jul 2012 #22
CaliforniaPeggy Jul 2012 #8
kentuck Jul 2012 #9
PavePusher Jul 2012 #12
kentuck Jul 2012 #23
PavePusher Jul 2012 #24
mick063 Jul 2012 #14
KatChatter Jul 2012 #16
permatex Jul 2012 #20
KatChatter Jul 2012 #17
PETRUS Jul 2012 #21

Response to WCGreen (Original post)

Sat Jul 7, 2012, 02:16 AM

1. The Navy was founded for the purpose

 

of protecting US shipping from other countries navies, and pirates. It still does that, in addition to disaster response.

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #1)

Sat Jul 7, 2012, 02:19 AM

2. Of course it does, but it keeps the shipping lanes so that the world commerce can transport

good to the US.

We make it safe so that all that stuff that is undercutting domestic industries can get here.

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Response to WCGreen (Reply #2)

Sat Jul 7, 2012, 02:22 AM

3. Yes, but the US shipping fleet is so depleted

 

That most all goods shipped in and out of the US are on foreign-flagged vessels. They do look over the US fishing fleet thats in international waters.

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #3)

Sun Jul 8, 2012, 08:10 AM

19. That's the point....

They are keeping the shipping lanes open so that the other economies of the world can safely and cheaply keep flooding the US market with crap.

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Response to WCGreen (Original post)

Sat Jul 7, 2012, 08:35 AM

4. Carriers are a convenient way of projecting US power, but oh so vulnerable to anti-ship missiles,

particularly close to shore in places like the Persian Gulf.

It's a high-risk strategy, and the odds aren't good, when a $250,000 missile can sink a $5 billion ship.

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Response to leveymg (Reply #4)

Sun Jul 8, 2012, 01:09 AM

13. Nobody that could is that dumb.

 

Let's say somebody that has the ability to sink a NUCLEAR POWERED Aircraft carrier or guided missile cruiser that is patrolling off their coast decides to get froggy and jump.

#1. The US will respond. Any reasoning aside, any president that failed to respond would be pushed aside with haste for someone that would respond.

#2. Congratulations to them, they just damaged and sank a nuclear reactor. Off their own coast. Guess they didn't need access to the ocean or any fish for a few years

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Response to loose wheel (Reply #13)

Sun Jul 8, 2012, 08:03 AM

18. Might happen in a use 'em or lose 'em situation where the regime and IRGC were fighting for their

lives. Future ecological consequences wouldn't really seem to matter under such an end-game scenario.

I could see it happen if Israel or the US were to attack their large reactor at Busheur, which itself might have catastrophic results.

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Response to WCGreen (Original post)

Sat Jul 7, 2012, 08:40 AM

5. That is one creepy commercial. It makes me think of pre WW-II Nazi propoganda

Do we live in the good Motherland where all our country does is benevolent? I think not. And why is our Navy allowed to do this feel-good advertising for itself with our tax dollars. Creepy, creepy. Fascism marches on ....

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Response to WCGreen (Original post)

Sat Jul 7, 2012, 08:42 AM

6. G.I. beans

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Response to WCGreen (Original post)

Sat Jul 7, 2012, 09:33 AM

7. It certainly could be...

 

It certainly could be a force for good.

But...

Like everything American, we take something... obsess on it.. and turn it into something else.

Seriously.. 325,000 people... 283 ships...11 aircraft carrier groups... 71 subs (18 of which carry MIRV nuclear missiles) ...

A bit of overkill, no?

It's for intimidation more than for good.

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Response to Bigmack (Reply #7)

Sat Jul 7, 2012, 11:23 AM

10. Maybe they should have 2 guys and a rowboat?

 

Seriously, do you have any idea how over-extended they currently are?

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Response to PavePusher (Reply #10)

Sun Jul 8, 2012, 12:33 AM

11. Smart-assed topic line aside....

 

..no... wait a minute. Let's deal with the smart ass line about 2 guys and a rowboat.

WTF! Is that anything like I intimated? I'm talking by far the most powerful Navy in history, and you fucking think I'm implying that we should cut back to 2 guys and a rowboat?

That's fucked up! It's insulting and it's totally irrational. Can't you argue in terms other than all-or-nothing?

Of course the Navy is over-extended. And you think somehow that the Marines and Army aren't... is that it? Hell... they are all over-extended. That's because the US is over-extended. Multiple deployments, Reserves in combat, troop suicides....

We can't afford an Empire anymore. We can't afford - in terms of money and in terms of personnel - to police the whole world anymore.

How about we just try to police 1/2 the world..? Could we cut back just a little..?

Or do you want to go with the dumbshit "2 guys and the rowboat" line?

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Response to Bigmack (Reply #7)

Sun Jul 8, 2012, 05:16 AM

15. Over kill no not at all

 

1/3 of the fleet is out to sea at all time, another 1/3 in getting ready to go to see and the other 1/3 is just getting back.

When the planet is over 70% water with less then 100 ships out at any one time, the coverage is pretty thin.

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Response to KatChatter (Reply #15)

Sun Jul 8, 2012, 09:12 AM

22. Coverage is thin because we're trying to control the world.....

 

How much "coverage" does Germany have...? Hell, how much "coverage" does China have, with their one carrier...?

How about a little change of paradigm? Cut down our "coverage" and see how that works.

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Response to WCGreen (Original post)

Sat Jul 7, 2012, 10:54 AM

8. Good thoughts...K&R.

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Response to WCGreen (Original post)

Sat Jul 7, 2012, 10:57 AM

9. They certainly are not the Peace Corps...

Hope you feeling better today, WC...

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Response to kentuck (Reply #9)

Sun Jul 8, 2012, 01:09 AM

12. Good. Next time there's an international disaster and you need humanitarian aid....

 

don't call on the military.

Call the Peace Corps and see how much tonnage they can haul to the affected area.

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Response to PavePusher (Reply #12)

Sun Jul 8, 2012, 09:14 AM

23. What do you think I meant by my comment??

about not being the Peace Corps? How did you interpret that?

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Response to kentuck (Reply #23)

Sun Jul 8, 2012, 03:17 PM

24. It appeared to be a accusation/insult towards the Navy.

 

If I grossly misinterpreted your intent, you have my abject apology.

In my defense, there have been a number of virulent and baselessly slanderous anti-military comments on DU recently, and your post could easily be interpreted as accusatory. One of the downfalls of electronic communication is that tone is not always readily apparent, especially in such short messages.

Aagin, sorry if I jumped to an incorrect conclusion.

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Response to WCGreen (Original post)

Sun Jul 8, 2012, 03:57 AM

14. I served in the Navy.

 



Best schooling I have ever had and I've attended quite a few classes in my day.


I was a sonar technician at the height of the cold war. Operations and maintenance on two different sonar suites.

Don't know how much of the 30+ year old stuff is still classified, but I will just say that we were very, very good at what we did.


The proof is in the pudding. I earned my "patriotic" stripes. The Teabaggers have nothing on me when it comes to being a "patriot".

Indeed, I am sickened with how they sport their "patriotic" image to tear this nation apart. It is worse (or akin) to the controversial fellow that falsified his service record to indicate he had achieved fictional commendations. Similarly, Teabaggers are "falsified" patriots. They are no different. They dilute the word and believe they are patriots because FOX News tells them so. In reality, they are our great nation's demise.

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Response to mick063 (Reply #14)

Sun Jul 8, 2012, 05:19 AM

16. How much is still classifed you ask

 

it depends on what you did, seeing that you did O&M I would guess you wear dolphins and if you do everything you did is still classified, you can still neither confirm nor deny.

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Response to mick063 (Reply #14)

Sun Jul 8, 2012, 08:26 AM

20. I too served in the Navy

 

I was trained as a Corpsman and served with the 1stBN 26th Marines at Khe Sanh in 68 and then I took my Navy training to the civillian world and used it to join the Phoenix Fire Dept. when I got discharged.
So, yes, in my opinion, the U.S. Navy is a force for global good.

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Response to WCGreen (Original post)

Sun Jul 8, 2012, 05:24 AM

17. Just for the record, the Navy is Constitutionally Madated

 

in fact it is the ONLY service that is required to have full time funding. Per the Constitution the Army can only be funded for 2 years at a time.

Baggers love to scream 'Follow the Constitution' and if we did our only military force would be the US Navy/USMC, the Army would have to many funding issues to be funded full time and the USAF is not in the Constitution either so it would just go away.

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Response to WCGreen (Original post)

Sun Jul 8, 2012, 09:09 AM

21. The value of the dollar

This isn't to contradict your main point (about the role of the US military in the global economy), but in your post you wrote:

"the dollar would be worth more and could actually improve the chances of things being made here again in the good old US of A."

It's actually the other way around. A stronger dollar makes imports cheaper. And the impact is significant. A 2% move in the value of the dollar is worth about a million manufacturing jobs.

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