Some newer DUers are calling for the death penalty for Jared Kushner

[applegrove]

or Trump. Can we be a bit more civil? This does nothing but terrorize a public bewildered by the Trumps and looking to democrats for answers.

[we can do it]

1. Sure. Let's include Pence, Ryan and McConnell.

[LOL Lib]

13. Agreed

Civility OP? After all the fecal matter hoisted on us over the last 18 months at the hands of the alt right nazis, GOP, and Drumpf family, the thought of Dump hanging from a noose for treason is actually quite civil and humane imho.

Sorry that offends you.

[we can do it]

15. Huh?

[heaven05]

17. wouldn't bother me

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

49. Not in the least.

[Stellar]

70. Agreed!

Trump and his followers are really scary. His alt-right constituents are coming out of the ground to terrify the rest of us in the country, and Trump act as though he doesn't notice.

[trueblue2007]

25. Do what they did for treason in the "olden days" ??

[Alwaysna]

50. Round them all up

including Jeff Sessions , Kellyanne Conway and Stephen Miller.

[dhol82]

2. I would prefer a multi year sentence

Preferably in a hard time prison.

[triron]

3. yes

They need to suffer.

[dhol82]

6. Yes. Something they have no knowledge of.

[dchill]

55. In abject humiliation.

[brewens]

28. General population. Make Jared cozy up to some white supremacist gang leader for protection.

He'll get three squares a day and all the sex he can handle!

[mythology]

30. Rape isn't a joking matter

[brewens]

31. Who said it would be rape? n/t

[Fantastic Anarchist]

57. I don't think Jared would be amenable to having sex ...

... with white supremacists, or any male, for that matter.

[brewens]

69. Who could say, given the level of perversion in the family. The Pervert in Chief and his

golden showers for one thing. Bannon called him a "cuck". Could very well be that she has him broke in well with her strap on's. He might just be into it.

[Agschmid]

86. Your sub thread is disgusting.

[cwydro]

92. Ugh.

Go somewhere else with that filth.

[liberal N proud]

4. Treason is punishable by death

Not an advocate, but it is allowable.

[trueblue2007]

26. what did they use in France ??

[Dustlawyer]

103. It is the ultimate sentence which is what is wrong with it.

Living in Texas I see the politicians politicize this issue to the point where they won't commute a case that raised many serious questions as to the guilt of a father accused of murdering his kids. Making someones death a political point means justice has been corrupted. After so many freed by the innocence project we should recognize that no system of justice is infallible.

Besides, life in prison without parole has a nice ring to it for these bastards.

[liberal N proud]

107. I do not advocate the death penalty

It is too good for these bastards anyway, I agree they should rot in jail and not a posh jail either, one just like they are sending drug users.

[Dustlawyer]

108. In that case, let him stay in a private Texas prison!

[JimGinPA]

5. I'd Rather See Him Receive A Long Prison Sentence...

And all his co-conspirators too!

[tblue37]

45. But no little dogs. nt

[MrScorpio]

7. I would be happy with federal prison sentences

Let's leave the DP to Father Time.

[Mrs. Overall]

8. I prefer "lock 'em up and toss the key."

Not a fan of the death penalty.

[MedusaX]

9. I prefer a massive RICO Asset Seizure plus prison time, followed by nice long asset free lives.

[Me.]

10. That's Where I Stand

[Shrike47]

60. Me, too. If we oppose the death penalty on moral grounds, gotta be consistent.

[samnsara]

11. its a bit harsh. I vote for a lifetime of poverty and disgrace....and an ankle bracelet.

...maybe Ivanka can design one

[putitinD]

27. they will all fake their own deaths and seek refuge in Russia with Putin's help!

[Lunabell]

12. I am not anti death penalty.

Isn't treason punishable by death?

[lapfog_1]

14. The worst thing we could do to the lot of them

would be to take away all their wealth... make them live on $20K a year with SNAP and Medicare...

But that isn't likely... so 20 to life in Club Fed.

[onecaliberal]

20. That.

[heaven05]

16. I don't care

I have NO feelings of civility toward jared, ivanka, miller, bannon or their leader the boy who would be potus or more realistically, who plays at being potus with his goddamn little hand on the button.

[sheshe2]

44. You reap what you sow.

He, his admin and the gopeees have declared war on America. They want us dead. They will take away every safety net away, SS, Medicare, Medicaid, Pensions and GI benefits. They will take away the air we breathe and the water we drink. I want them to die along with us ...slowly and painfully as they wish us to die. I do not usually talk this way..I am at a loss at the hatred and utter disrespect that this admin...this so called President shows its peoples.

[heaven05]

83. yep

since April of 1861, the "gopeees" have been at war with america with small respites along the way. The boy who plays at being potus and the repuliKKKan party have entered into a 2nd Civil War on all who oppose them. I won't go silently...and if attacked by the poisonous trump, ryan, mcconnell breed I hope to take as many with me as I can.

And what boggles my mind is you are so correct, they destroy our elements needed to sustain life, they go also. They are not going to Mars or any other goddamn planet. They are stuck here with us all. It seems it's suicide by hate that is driving them to destroy us all..I sense a great evil in this country has been given the green light to destroy life as we know it now.

Pray for the children and the animals.

[LeftInTX]

18. I'll be surprised if all of this stuff goes anywhere

I would be thrilled if Jared, Bannon, Flynn, and the whole cabal got even a year in prison. Flynn may do some time, but he may not. Jared will probably get probation. Manafort and Stone, I have no idea. Bannon should have legal issues, but I don't see where he is currently being snared in a net.

[katmondoo]

21. I would like to see all of them in poverty

They need to learn to live not knowing where their next meal will be

[moonscape]

66. Same. My greatest fantasy is

them needing Meals on Wheels but ... oops!

[mercuryblues]

81. Unless Flynn flipped for a deal

he will do a lot more than some time. He took money from another country and then vetoed a military action against Isis because that country was against the plan. That is the textbook definition of treason. This is on top of his Russia connection.

[democratisphere]

19. The State should never be allowed to execute it's citizens.

[applegrove]

23. I concur.

[sheshe2]

29. Well...

That is exactly what they are doing to American citizens...executing us by taking away our health care, SS, Medicare, Medicaid. All safety nets. They are taking away our environment, Our clean air we breathe and water we drink. They are destroying our National Parks and polluting the water we swim in. They have given America a death sentence. I hope they get the same.

You get what you give.

[democratisphere]

32. The drumpf's won't be ruling US much longer.

[sheshe2]

35. How much damage will we have to suffer before they are gone?

How many will die before they are gone? They are becoming feral animals right now just like their supporters...that are lashing out and killing innocent people.

[Mountain Mule]

59. I've got to agree

Although as a member with a lousy two hundred some posts, I guess I may be biased - just kidding!

But it's quite true - their policies would result in the ultimate untimely deaths of millions of Americans - I am one of them. I am on SSDI and my check is so small that I am forced to rely on SNAP (food stamps) and a housing voucher. The Traitor wants to do away with or seriously cut all three programs. Each morning I get up with my heart in my mouth and wonder if this is the day that I and every other American like me will be turned into mincemeat at the whim of a petite (petty, too) tyrant. And let's not forget the entire planet since the Traitor claims science is "fake news" and refuses to honor any climate protocol.

As someone else mentioned, treason is punishable by death. I'm not a fan of the death penalty at all, but this is a rare case where I would shed no tears if the whole malevolent gang was sentenced to the firing squad.

[sheshe2]

62. Hey Mountain Mule...

We were all new here once. You are good with me.

I know. They are out to cut it all. Hang in there, we all are trying to fight this. We need to stand up and shout out. They want to take so much away...say NO.

[JustAnotherGen]

93. This is why I'm a liberal

Folks like you in America - who just need help as One Of Us. This is why I protest, fight, and harass Leonard Lance. You.

[Mountain Mule]

96. Thank you for that!

I protest and fight not just for myself, but for all the other Americans who share in my same plight - the elderly, the children, those with disabilities. What is the point of anything if not but to help one another?

[Historic NY]

22. You mean like the Rosenbergs.....

[WinkyDink]

24. This must be a minority view. I WOULD

volunteer to torture Mulvaney, though.

[Chemisse]

33. Apparently the death penalty is fine, as long as you really hate the criminal.

Torture is good too. If you're really mad at that person, then anything goes.

[applegrove]

34. I wonder if it is trolls posting the death penalty stuff. Very un DU.

[GoCubsGo]

97. That was my first thought when I first saw your OP.

I wouldn't put it past them...

[applegrove]

98. That is why I did the OP. As a warning.

[MiddleClass]

116. It does point something out

When I saw the title, I said,

investigate, report, explain why the actions you took.

Let the law, take care of it. Our system is designed to let 10 guilty get away with it, rather than condemning an innocent man.

I'll be mad as all hell, but accepting it. Even if Donald Trump is one of the 10, or I doubt one of one in the above scenario

Didn't have enough hysteria with the Salem witch trials?

[jrthin]

36. I don't see the problem. Traitors can

and do get the death penalty.

[Takket]

37. i very much want to see him lose everything and spend the rest of his life in prison

[Bettie]

38. Death penalty? No

Send them to prison, but not a country-club rich guy prison, the prisons they delight in seeing others go to.

Let them learn first hand how it feels to be powerless.

Actually, I'd even be happy to see them lose everything and have to live as a poor person, have an actual job, bills that you actually have to pay, trying to figure out how to buy food and gas at the end of the pay period. That would be worse than death for these parasites.

[MFM008]

39. Oh my

First no one's being executed.
No one's going to jail.
Maggot fully plans to pardon all
his treasonous
Minions.
All of them.
Then either
Pence or Hatch will pardon him
or he will pardon himself.
That's the plan.
It has been to see how far they can go and
What they could get out of it.
Pardons all around.

[hunter]

40. WWPD?

What would Putin do?

[Ilsa]

41. Robert Hanssen spied for the russians for decades.

He's locked up in super-max for the rest of his life, not awaiting execution.

[applegrove]

42. Exactly.

[Bradical79]

120. The Rosenbergs were executed

So it's not without precedent. No way a Republican president and his family are executed though. Any prison sentance would leave me pleasantly surprised.

[TomSlick]

43. I agree with applegrove

I am opposed to the death penalty. One of the reasons I oppose the death penalty is exactly because it is imposed for the same reason DUers are calling for the death penalty for Trump and his crowd - emotion and hate. Nothing being described or alleged would arise to treason because we are not at war. Treason is defined by 18 U.S.C 2381 as aiding the enemy in a time of war. We are not at war with Russia, so necessarily there is no treason.

If the facts are as alleged, Trump and his cohorts are guilty of violations of the Espionage Act and RICO. They should be charged, fairly tried, and punished consistent with law if convicted.

I appreciate that we are all afraid and angry. After the Trumpsters, America is going to need responsible adults. Let's start now.

[sheshe2]

46. I am not new...or a troll.

This admin has declared a death sentence on America. They are taking away heath care with glee...Americans will die. They are taking away all safety nets. SS, Medicare and Medicare and wetting themselves with glee at how fast 23 million Americans will die. They are in fact orgasmic at the thought and are counting all the 30 pieces of silver that will line their pockets.

I wish them to suffer the same fate.

They are Judas.

[applegrove]

47. It hurts you more than me. I'm not American. I do not want to see us

shoot off our foot. Let the investigation play out.

[sheshe2]

58. Well hopefully

the collateral damage will not be to great before it happens. Yes, it is going to hurt me a lot....so much easier for you to say as a non American. The hurt my fellow Americans are about to receive is devastating. Will we survive? I don't know, I haven't seen the body count yet. Yet it will be huge. I wish them, the Admin, to suffer the same.

You say..."I do not want to see us

shoot off our foot. Let the investigation play out." Yet it is not your foot, is it? You said you are not American and I would like our foot to remain intact.

[applegrove]

65. You know what we need for possible impeachment? Support for it in the streets

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and rural roads, in the penthouses and low-income housing. That is the only way the GOP are going to start the proceedings. You know how to slow that down? Follow the people who are calling for violence and have some of the public feel sorry for Trump.

[sheshe2]

68. Thanks for your imput.

We are already in the streets. Perhaps you missed the protests.

[mcar]

85. +1000!

[JustAnotherGen]

94. You aren't getting your foot shot off

"We" are indivisible and will demand justice.

[manicraven]

63. So you're advocating murdering all of the GOP in the House and Senate? Really?

I'd rather not stoop to their terrible level and wish death on them. I thought we were better than that, but I'm seeing more and more on the DU behaving more like nasty Deplorables and wishing harm to other citizens. Sure disagree, resist, protest, vote, but where is our decency if we're calling for murder--because that's what the death penalty is--state sanctioned murder. I stand opposed. I stand for human decency. If we lose our moral compass, then everything is truly lost because we're the line in the sand. We are the solid NO to the mistreatment of others. Please do not sink to their horrible level. I get how you feel and how frustrated, but let's win this with our heads held high.

[True Dough]

73. Well put!

[world wide wally]

48. Is treason a pardonable crime?

[elmac]

51. Just to be fair

republiCons have no objection to murdering 50,000 Americans a year by depriving them of healthcare.

[elmac]

52. My taking the high road

flew out the window on Nov. 9th

[davsand]

53. No government should kill its citizens. Ever.

Treasonous fucks like this crew, however, should be stripped of every possession or asset they own and then get dumped on the streets. Passports should be revoked and periodically they should be rounded up and have everything they ever acquire stripped away as well. No jail--they don't deserve food or shelter provided by this country.

I'm not terribly humane by some standards.


Laura

[Lotusflower70]

54. Lock him up

Could you imagine no KFC for Donald, he might lose his mind. No burnt steak drowning in ketchup or beautiful chocolate cake. Give him overcooked pasta with fake cheese or some cheap bologna.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

56. No death penalty. Period.

It's wrong.

Plus, all of you who call yourselves "Christians", where is the asterisk after the "Thou shalt not kill" thing?

Oh, and a Jewish friend of mine once said that the original Hebrew is even more stark and to the point: "No kill." I don't see a lot of room for ambiguity there.

[sheshe2]

67. Hey.

How do you respond to a president and his band of merry men "Christians" that wish to kill 23 million with there death panels? That is exactly what they are doing by taking away their healthcare...ACA.

It is a DEATH PENALTY to millions. Add taking away SS. MEDICADE. MEDICARE. Take away clean water, clean air, environmental protections, education and our free rights to live.

No kill? They are killing us all. Death.

[WheelWalker]

71. Yes. Proportionality.

You make a civil point.

[Mountain Mule]

76. One word: Nuremberg

Sheshe is correct. 23 million of us to be dropped from Medicaid. Millions more deprived of shelter and food. No protection for our air or our water. The suffering they seek to impose on our country is unimaginable. I doubt that any of them will ever actually face any punishment. I wish they would have to be called accountable before a world tribunal as well as an American one. They deserve to be turned loose on the streets with no money, no food, no shelter, no medical care. Let them live out the lives they wish to impose on their fellow Americans. Fine, no death penalty. A life penalty like that would work for me.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

90. You don't respond by killing them, that's for sure.

It's not right. Period. You do need to remind them, over and over, that what they want to do is wrong. More and more people get it, including a lot of the idiots who voted for them.

Plus, those who won't have health care any more aren't going to up and die right away. We all die eventually, come to think of it.

Again, anyone who claims to be a Christian (or Jew or Muslim), please show me the fine print after the commandment not to kill.

I don't claim allegiance to any religion, and I apparently will adhere to at least some of those rules more closely than the believers.

[Lint Head]

61. Traitors have been executed before.

[manicraven]

64. I wholeheartedly agree and am horrified by what I'm seeing here on the DU.

As I said above, we're the line in the sand. We're the solid NO to deplorable behavior and the mistreatment of others. We stand for equality and justice. If we lose our way, then who is left to stand up against terrible behavior? Personally, I refuse to become like the Deplorables, or the GOP, as their behavior and attitude towards others, especially the less fortunate and minorities, IS deplorable. We should not hand over our values, ethics, moral high ground and behave like them.

[True Dough]

75. And a well-reasoned encore!

I agree with you, manicraven!

[Foamfollower]

72. Treason is a capital crime.

If they are convicted of treason, it is not too much to expect they might be given a capital penalty.

[mvd]

74. I'm against any death penalty, but I do think that..

this will lead to Trump, Kushner, etc. being locked up. Treason is rarely used as a charge, but the actions are treasonous IMO. Even if the charge isn't made due to a very high standard.

[58Sunliner]

77. To be fair, how about all of them, for treason.

It would solve the parole issue.

[Tactical Peek]

78. the best way you hurt rich people is by turning them into poor people

Billy Ray Valentine: [watches Louis clean his shotgun] You know, you can't just go around and shoot people in the kneecaps with a double-barreled shotgun 'cause you pissed at 'em.

Louis Winthorpe III: Why not?

Billy Ray Valentine: 'Cause it's called assault with a deadly weapon, you get 20 years for that shit.

Louis Winthorpe III: Listen, do you have any better ideas?

Billy Ray Valentine: Yeah. You know, it occurs to me that the best way you hurt rich people is by turning them into poor people.

Coleman: You have to admit, sir, you didn't like it yourself a bit.

----------

And a wave of execution talk does sound like provocative activity. Recent reporting is that Russian active measures are still active and trying to influence the investigations and the public perceptions.

[JustAnotherGen]

79. Civility is dead

However - I selfishly want the trials to start next year. GOP is Trump Co. It's to our benefit to keep these people alive to hold up as an example for many years to come.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

105. No. Not dead. . . . . nt

[Vinca]

80. If they're "newer" DUers, maybe their first language is Russian.

[Vogon_Glory]

82. I'd prefer prison

I'd like to see Jared get prosecuted and sent to prison. If there is evidence of serious crime, let him be tried with competent prosecutors and an unsympathetic judge.

[uncle ray]

84. i'd like to keep all options on the table.

primarily as a negotiating tool. we'll be prepared to use the DP for the treasonous activity, unless trump steps down, making pence prez, who then appoints Hillary as his VP before he immediately steps down making her president. if that happens, then we'll only take all of their assets and imprison them for life.

[roamer65]

87. I'd like to see him breaking rocks at Leavenworth for the rest of his life.

[NastyRiffraff]

88. I'm against the death penalty BUT

I would be happy to see all of them suffer, in a maximum security Federal prison, for a long time. And all their assets seized and given BACK to the country and its citizens. As many have said, let them live in poverty after their long prison terms; those who are eventually set free, that is. Dump, Jared, and others as determined by the investigation should be in prison for life.

It's not that I think the death penalty is too harsh, it's that I'm against it on moral grounds. In fact, a life of humiliation and poverty may well be a harsher sentence.

[Voltaire2]

89. I'm confused by your post. Is it ok for "older DUers'" to do this?

And if instead you just meant that it is wrong to call for the death penalty for Kushner, which I agree with as I am opposed to the death penalty for any crime, why single out "newer DUers"?

[blitzen]

91. Hey, I'm an old time DUer...anti-death penalty...But...

since we do have it and practice it, Kushner and traitors such as Trump should be the first in line. If not them, then no one.

[nini]

95. That's the penalty for treason isn't it?

[muriel_volestrangler]

99. "Terrorize the public"? What a bizarre way to put it.

These posts (I've never seen any, so I've no idea how many DUers you're talking about, apart from "in the plural&quot are presumably saying they think he, or they, are guilty of treason, and they want the death penalty for that. I don't see how that would fill the public with terror.

I don't think we've seen any evidence what he's done approaches treason (could be corruption, could just be covering up his Russian links, making him unsuitable for government), and I wouldn't want the death penalty even for someone who was guilty of treason in the proper judicial sense of helping a country at war with your own. But where is the "terror"? Are you saying that a few posts on DU are enough to convince some very gullible readers that they'll be executed too?

[applegrove]

112. I was refering to a sudden movement to execute Jared Kushner. It

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will strike fear into the hearts of anyone against the death penalty, or anyone who bonded with Trump and is now walking around bewildered wondering why they voted for him. Both things we don't want to do. Both things that divide us. Let's make the internet a soft landing place for all those opposed to the potential loss of health care coverage for 23 million people. I don't think we need to make the choice about anything more than that for people. Leave the death penalty out of it.

[muriel_volestrangler]

113. That's your entire electoral strategy? Talk about the loss of health care coverage and nothing else?

No, we need to point out the selfishness and corruption of Trump and his cronies. We need to show how they endanger the environment, and world peace, and how they want to enrich the ultra-rich.

It's absurd to suggest that we should only talk about one topic. What would you do if the Republicans didn't pass new health care laws after all? Just say "meh, any other ideas the Republicans have aren't important, we'll just shut up now"?

No, I don't think you "strike fear into the hearts" of people who oppose the death penalty by saying you think it should apply in a case. Most people disagree with ideas without being afraid or terrorized. And Trump supporters (I'd guess over 90% of whom support the death penalty) aren't going to think that someone saying Kushner has committed treason are not going to take that as a threat against themselves.

[applegrove]

115. I was not suggesting it be our only strategy. Just that we should be opening our party up right

now. The only people who benefit from execution talk are the Trump WH and the Russians.

[muriel_volestrangler]

117. "I don't think we need to make the choice about anything more than that for people"

That does look like you're saying that should be the only strategy.

If Kushner and others in Trump's team are seen as unpatriotic people who will take money to help foreign powers to the detriment of the USA, that doesn't benefit Trump or the Russians. And since we have to talk about that, some people are bound to mention the worst interpretation of their deeds and the worst penalty.

[ck4829]

100. Death penalty is modern society's human sacrifice. We should always be against it.

[Cattledog]

101. Lots of bots have signed on.

This site will be targeted an infiltrated to sow discord. I just hope Skinner and crew have taken
This into account.

[LaydeeBug]

102. *nope*. This is *treason* and we dems keep 'moving on' and 'looking forward'

and it only enables the next coup.

They committed treason. They pay the price. Those laws were laws before they got in the game.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

104. There is now a thread proposing a prejudiced bigoted ban of everybody from Russia.

Not very civil, not very progressive, Not very DU. It is just the kind of simplistic solution that RWAs and RWAFs latch on to. Interestingly there are a disproportionate number of recent DU members (3 months or so) supporting that disruptive thread.

[ck4829]

110. Frankly, it's disturbing

I see the same rhetoric aimed at against Muslims by the right (And some elsewhere) and it's chilling, outright nightmare fuel. I am against anyone who is like that.

Replace "Muslim" with "Russian" and it is not one iota better though, people who push that mindset are also no better.

[DrDan]

106. juvenile - something one would hear on a playground

[whathehell]

109. Yes, they sound like the Deplorables..

We normally try people in a court of law before assigning a dearh penalty.

[PubliusEnigma]

111. The Rosenbergs were electrocuted for less.

[Initech]

114. Trump's downfall is going to be a coronary.

I don't think we need to call the death penalty for Trump, his fast food and two scoops of ice cream diet, lack of sleep and lack of exercise will do him in.

[BigDemVoter]

118. While I am vehemently anti-death penalty, I cannot say they don't deserve it!

With that being said, I certainly don't condone. . .um. . . killing them. . . . Maybe a cage in a circus would be appropriate?

[Different Drummer]

119. Personally, I'm looking forward to seeing the lot of them...

on "Lockup: U.S. Government."