The DNC must set up an automatic recount of any wins by R's from now on

[Maraya1969]

and especially with the upcoming special elections. This probability not only accounted for the presidential election but the wins in the House and Senate too.

Remember how we were supposed to win back the Senate and maybe even the House?

Who would believe that hackers would only go after a president? A president is no good without a willing and able criminal cabal behind them in the House and Senate!

The Presidency was stolen
The House was stolen
The Senate was stolen

(((Huxenstein)))?
@BethGoldHux

Replying to @vibrantSun44 @ScottFairbairn1 and 2 others
I'm a Math teacher. Prob Trump would win all 5 swing states was .0016, 16 ten thousandths of 1%. Putin hacked more than just emails.


IF WE DON'T FIX THE ELECTION HACKING WE WILL NEVER REGAIN CONTROL!

IGNORE THIS TO OUR OWN, AND OUR COUNTRY'S PERIL!


EDIT - Sancho just posted below that we need paper ballots or paper receipts to make sure that we can get a true count.

[Sancho]

1. recounts don't make sense without paper ballots...

DREs are impossible to recount...

[Maraya1969]

2. OK. I'm going to edit the OP to include what you said.

[Duppers]

3. K & R

[mythology]

4. Some random person on twitter who doesn't understand that elections are related

and doesn't understand the concept of a poll error really isn't evidence of actual vote hacking. On the other hand the counties in Wisconsin that hand recounted not differing in vote changes than the counties that machine recounted is pretty good evidence there is no vote hacking.

These claims are embarrassing to keep reading when there is zero evidence ever provided. It's an exceptional claim, but without even a shred of evidence.

[Maraya1969]

11. Remember the boxes that were damaged? Besides I'm sure whoever had their fingers in

It made sure that they didn't count the pertinent ballots OR we have a bigger problem with the machines as they've been hacked beyond our right remedy

I havene already spoken about the statistical improbability of this election happening the for trump.

[Gravitycollapse]

17. Trump's win was within a polling error if that error was systematic

Five Thirty Eight has had some excellent discussions on the matter.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-fivethirtyeight-gave-trump-a-better-chance-than-almost-anyone-else/

[n2doc]

5. Can anyone point me to a major election where a recount made a difference?

Even Florida 2000? Seems like a waste of time.

[csziggy]

9. Al Franken - Norm Coleman, Minnesota 2008

When the initial count was completed on November 18, Franken was trailing Coleman by 215 votes.[2][3] This close margin triggered a mandatory recount.[4][5] After reviewing ballots that had been challenged during the recount and counting 953 wrongly rejected absentee ballots, the State Canvassing Board officially certified the recount results with Franken holding a 225-vote lead.[6][7][8]

On January 6, 2009, Coleman's campaign filed an election contest and on April 13, a three-judge panel dismissed Coleman's Notice of Contest and ruled that Franken had won the election by 312 votes.[9][10] Coleman’s appeal of the panel's decision to the Minnesota Supreme Court was unanimously rejected on June 30,[11] and he conceded the election.[12] Al Franken was sworn in as the junior Senator from Minnesota on July 7, 2009.
More: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_election_in_Minnesota,_2008
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[Maraya1969]

12. Just because it hasn't happened yet doesn't mean it can't

[Demsrule86]

6. I want a unicorn, and I want it now!

The DNC has no power to call for recounts in every election. Elections are run by states.

[Maraya1969]

19. Meanwhile while too many Dems say, 'This can't be done" and "This is wrong" and "Think

logically" the GOP staged a coup with the help of Russia and stole the entire election - president, house and congress right from under everyone's very intelligent eyes

Maybe right now the Dems can't call for recounts. They will most surely never be able to if people like you keep at the helm and say "You can't do that!"

[Demsrule86]

31. Elections are run by states...there is no method to do this... . you might as well ask for a unicorn

[MineralMan]

7. How would the DNC do that, exactly?

Elections are run by individual states and specifically by counties within those states. The DNC has no power to force any state to do anything.

It is important to understand how things work if you want to change how they work.

[onenote]

8. +1

Yet another embarrassing OP.

[Brother Buzz]

10. In California, ANY legally registered voter can demand and receive a recount for any (or no) reason.

All they need to do is pony up the money for the recount in advance. The Registrar of Voters accepts cash, cashier's checks and money orders.

[Maraya1969]

14. I don't know. But I know just letting it slide with no one trying to set up a nation wide system is

not the answer. It is not impossible. Without questions and demands and out loud thinking how do big things happen in the first place in a government?

The GOP certainly set up things on a national wide basis for the election, with the big help of Russian computer programs that identified tiny little areas of the country for them to run to to get just the necessary votes to win the electoral collage

[Demsrule86]

32. Let's put our money on winning elections convincingly...close election are easy to screw with...

[Gravitycollapse]

15. I think a recount of the 2016 Presidential election would find it was not stolen.

At least, not in the literal sense of vote machine hacking and vote rigging.

The best way to steal an election is to do it legally. From gerrymandering to voter roll purges; the latter obviously not being legal if it qualifies as "voter caging." And the Russian propaganda campaign weaponized the minds of American voters, not the ballots themselves.

The true nature of this is far more insidious than vote rigging and it will be far more resistant to our attempts to stop it in the future. We must be vigilant when it comes to vote rigging, but I think our focus would be better spent changing popular political discourse.

[Maraya1969]

16. Does that explain the Senate loss and the House loss? Along with the mathematician's

figure's of .0016 and just looking at what the % would be of every single one of the poll and statistician indicators being wrong before the election?

And the fact that Hillary literally won by 2%?

There are just so many anomalies. And also, just because we can't figure out how they fixed the machines does not mean they didn't fix the machines.

My thoughts

[Gravitycollapse]

18. Those are unlikelihoods not anomalies.

I'm defining an anomaly as a statistical impossibility or some incredible indicator that something in the votes counted does not add up. It all adds up. We just did the math wrong with the predictions.

[Maraya1969]

20. You must have missed the mathematical conclusion that was printed on Twitter. Granted

I have no idea how this person got an actual number but I do know a big statistical anomaly when I see it and this election was one big statistical anomaly - even if you count the Comey bit. It doesn't explain all the House wins OR Hillary's 3 Million vote win

[Gravitycollapse]

22. The math teachers claim is useless without seeing the data and their analysis.

Take claims like that with a grain of salt.

[Maraya1969]

23. Well take my, years ago, several advanced statistics studies. This was an anomoly

[Gravitycollapse]

26. You haven't seen the math so you couldn't possibly know that right now.

[Maraya1969]

25. And the fact that I and others have been saying the same thing since the election. I didn't

think there could ever be a number associated with it but maybe she found a way

[Maraya1969]

21. Someone posted here that on the day of the election, before we were hacked, FL was in

at about a 97% lock for Hillary. Remember how high she was in the early voting?

Then we get hacked and Trump wins FL? I don't think so.

[Gravitycollapse]

24. Trump had a 45% chance of winning Florida (via. 538)

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/florida/

[Maraya1969]

27. OK let's take your number. Since when does someone lose 5% points in the same day?

[Gravitycollapse]

29. The 45% prediction was of him winning, not his vote share.

You're confusing two different statistical phenomena.

[Maraya1969]

28. These are all just clues to be taken together. And did 538 use early voting for its calculations?

[Gravitycollapse]

30. Early voting is a weak predictor of electoral outcome.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/early-voting-was-a-misleading-indicator/

[Demsrule86]

33. The house is gerrymandered...I see signs it is slipping...but it's going to take a wave election.

As for the Senate. It goes with the presidency usually. This is why you saw candidates like Feingold losing in Wisconsin.