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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe DNC must set up an automatic recount of any wins by R's from now on
and especially with the upcoming special elections. This probability not only accounted for the presidential election but the wins in the House and Senate too.
Remember how we were supposed to win back the Senate and maybe even the House?
Who would believe that hackers would only go after a president? A president is no good without a willing and able criminal cabal behind them in the House and Senate!
The Presidency was stolen
The House was stolen
The Senate was stolen
(((Huxenstein)))?
@BethGoldHux
Replying to @vibrantSun44 @ScottFairbairn1 and 2 others
I'm a Math teacher. Prob Trump would win all 5 swing states was .0016, 16 ten thousandths of 1%. Putin hacked more than just emails.
IF WE DON'T FIX THE ELECTION HACKING WE WILL NEVER REGAIN CONTROL!
IGNORE THIS TO OUR OWN, AND OUR COUNTRY'S PERIL!
EDIT - Sancho just posted below that we need paper ballots or paper receipts to make sure that we can get a true count.
Sancho
(9,067 posts)DREs are impossible to recount...
Maraya1969
(22,459 posts)Duppers
(28,117 posts)mythology
(9,527 posts)and doesn't understand the concept of a poll error really isn't evidence of actual vote hacking. On the other hand the counties in Wisconsin that hand recounted not differing in vote changes than the counties that machine recounted is pretty good evidence there is no vote hacking.
These claims are embarrassing to keep reading when there is zero evidence ever provided. It's an exceptional claim, but without even a shred of evidence.
Maraya1969
(22,459 posts)It made sure that they didn't count the pertinent ballots OR we have a bigger problem with the machines as they've been hacked beyond our right remedy
I havene already spoken about the statistical improbability of this election happening the for trump.
Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)Five Thirty Eight has had some excellent discussions on the matter.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-fivethirtyeight-gave-trump-a-better-chance-than-almost-anyone-else/
n2doc
(47,953 posts)Even Florida 2000? Seems like a waste of time.
csziggy
(34,131 posts)When the initial count was completed on November 18, Franken was trailing Coleman by 215 votes.[2][3] This close margin triggered a mandatory recount.[4][5] After reviewing ballots that had been challenged during the recount and counting 953 wrongly rejected absentee ballots, the State Canvassing Board officially certified the recount results with Franken holding a 225-vote lead.[6][7][8]
On January 6, 2009, Coleman's campaign filed an election contest and on April 13, a three-judge panel dismissed Coleman's Notice of Contest and ruled that Franken had won the election by 312 votes.[9][10] Colemans appeal of the panel's decision to the Minnesota Supreme Court was unanimously rejected on June 30,[11] and he conceded the election.[12] Al Franken was sworn in as the junior Senator from Minnesota on July 7, 2009.
More: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_election_in_Minnesota,_2008
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Maraya1969
(22,459 posts)Demsrule86
(68,455 posts)The DNC has no power to call for recounts in every election. Elections are run by states.
Maraya1969
(22,459 posts)logically" the GOP staged a coup with the help of Russia and stole the entire election - president, house and congress right from under everyone's very intelligent eyes
Maybe right now the Dems can't call for recounts. They will most surely never be able to if people like you keep at the helm and say "You can't do that!"
Demsrule86
(68,455 posts)MineralMan
(146,248 posts)Elections are run by individual states and specifically by counties within those states. The DNC has no power to force any state to do anything.
It is important to understand how things work if you want to change how they work.
Yet another embarrassing OP.
Response to onenote (Reply #8)
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Brother Buzz
(36,364 posts)All they need to do is pony up the money for the recount in advance. The Registrar of Voters accepts cash, cashier's checks and money orders.
Maraya1969
(22,459 posts)not the answer. It is not impossible. Without questions and demands and out loud thinking how do big things happen in the first place in a government?
The GOP certainly set up things on a national wide basis for the election, with the big help of Russian computer programs that identified tiny little areas of the country for them to run to to get just the necessary votes to win the electoral collage
Demsrule86
(68,455 posts)Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)At least, not in the literal sense of vote machine hacking and vote rigging.
The best way to steal an election is to do it legally. From gerrymandering to voter roll purges; the latter obviously not being legal if it qualifies as "voter caging." And the Russian propaganda campaign weaponized the minds of American voters, not the ballots themselves.
The true nature of this is far more insidious than vote rigging and it will be far more resistant to our attempts to stop it in the future. We must be vigilant when it comes to vote rigging, but I think our focus would be better spent changing popular political discourse.
Maraya1969
(22,459 posts)figure's of .0016 and just looking at what the % would be of every single one of the poll and statistician indicators being wrong before the election?
And the fact that Hillary literally won by 2%?
There are just so many anomalies. And also, just because we can't figure out how they fixed the machines does not mean they didn't fix the machines.
My thoughts
Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)I'm defining an anomaly as a statistical impossibility or some incredible indicator that something in the votes counted does not add up. It all adds up. We just did the math wrong with the predictions.
Maraya1969
(22,459 posts)I have no idea how this person got an actual number but I do know a big statistical anomaly when I see it and this election was one big statistical anomaly - even if you count the Comey bit. It doesn't explain all the House wins OR Hillary's 3 Million vote win
Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)Take claims like that with a grain of salt.
Maraya1969
(22,459 posts)Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)Maraya1969
(22,459 posts)think there could ever be a number associated with it but maybe she found a way
Maraya1969
(22,459 posts)at about a 97% lock for Hillary. Remember how high she was in the early voting?
Then we get hacked and Trump wins FL? I don't think so.
Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)Maraya1969
(22,459 posts)Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)You're confusing two different statistical phenomena.
Maraya1969
(22,459 posts)Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)Demsrule86
(68,455 posts)As for the Senate. It goes with the presidency usually. This is why you saw candidates like Feingold losing in Wisconsin.