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RandySF

(58,511 posts)
Mon May 29, 2017, 04:13 PM May 2017

Fox News Exposed By Former Contributor As A Scripted And Rigged Scam

ormer Fox News contributor Tobin Smith is exposing Fox News as a scam that is designed to manipulate and fool viewers through panel discussions that are rigged and scripted so that conservatives always win.

Smith wrote in a post on Medium:

The outcomes for Fox’s “panel debates” have ALWAYS been carefully fixed by the producers so that the home team (i.e, the conservative panelists like me) ALWAYS won.MORE simply: The staged gladiatorial-like rhetorical fight to the death the Fox viewer loves to watch are ALWAYS fixed by the show producers for the conservative actor to win…always.

Just like pro-wrestling, the panel opinion programs are carefully staged and choreographed by Fox producers so the viewers home team (in WWE language the “Baby Face”) always wins over the “Heel” aka the poor pathetic “libtard.”

The Fox News opinion panel scam works like this. More often than not, in my panel segments I was the protagonist or “designated hit man” aka the one called on by the host (as instructed by the producers in my ear or the ear of the host) to “kill ‘em.” You’d know I was the designated hit man when the panel show hosts tossed the final death blow 15–20 seconds to me when they say “Toby you have the final word.”

But before I delivered the final rhetorical death blow …the producer of the segment had given me my script 24 hours BEFORE the show started. I knew 24–48 hours in ADVANCE of how the designated liberal was going to argue his/her point…and more important how I was going to win.


http://www.politicususa.com/2017/05/28/fox-news-exposed-contributor-scripted-rigged-scam.html

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Fox News Exposed By Former Contributor As A Scripted And Rigged Scam (Original Post) RandySF May 2017 OP
"Fair and Balanced" my ass! no_hypocrisy May 2017 #1
Let's use these facts against Megan Kelly Submariner May 2017 #26
All theater, all the time nt delisen May 2017 #2
Heard the same story from a Local Fox Station Producer Wellstone ruled May 2017 #3
Umm ... does he really think we didn't already know that? lpbk2713 May 2017 #4
He has insider credentials exboyfil May 2017 #7
Sure we already know it's rigged melman May 2017 #9
This is for the Rubes not you Egnever May 2017 #10
The Rubes won't believe it. nt. Mariana May 2017 #32
So it shouldn't be said? Egnever May 2017 #33
I think this would be news to many. It is to me. gristy May 2017 #31
Really?? Duppers May 2017 #39
Al Frankin said it years ago: Chasstev365 May 2017 #5
The difference between Fox News and pro wrestling is that... Different Drummer May 2017 #6
Another Difference shadowmayor May 2017 #19
You're exactly right. n/t Different Drummer May 2017 #24
After I read your first paragraph I said to myself, "That sounds like wrestling". BigmanPigman May 2017 #8
I'm shocked... Mike Nelson May 2017 #11
Boycott advertisers. Put a stake through their rotten, stinking heart Dream Girl May 2017 #12
That approach works. Ligyron May 2017 #34
Long suspected stevenleser May 2017 #13
Did you ever receive a script? Barack_America May 2017 #22
All news outlets request talking points from you before appearances stevenleser May 2017 #25
Thanks for that. Barack_America May 2017 #28
A contributor is a network employee and paid. Guests are independent and not paid. stevenleser May 2017 #29
Strangely, a good example of this is when things go wrong. mwooldri May 2017 #35
Tobin, you're breaking Kayfabe, man ... you're now black-listed from wrasslin' for life ... mr_lebowski May 2017 #14
Outfoxed the documentary exposed Fox in 2004 Chimichurri May 2017 #15
Rigged, just like Reich Wing gerrymandered districts. kairos12 May 2017 #16
My trump supporting neighbor TEB May 2017 #17
Fox News is a news outlet like NastyRiffraff May 2017 #18
I wonder if our resident "FOX News contributor" would like to weigh in? Barack_America May 2017 #20
Hehehehehhee malaise May 2017 #21
There is a contributor here? Which one? stevenleser May 2017 #23
I hope this gets posted where the conservatives can see it FakeNoose May 2017 #27
Do you think CNN does something similar with their panels? oberliner May 2017 #30
When you know what to look for, it's not hard to spot when it is or isn't happening. stevenleser May 2017 #38
This just in, electricity can produce magnetism sakabatou May 2017 #36
Seriously? Who would have guessed? C Moon May 2017 #37

Submariner

(12,498 posts)
26. Let's use these facts against Megan Kelly
Mon May 29, 2017, 07:40 PM
May 2017

when she starts spewing her right wing crap when she starts at NBC. She was famous for saying how "fair & balanced" she was.

exboyfil

(17,862 posts)
7. He has insider credentials
Mon May 29, 2017, 04:30 PM
May 2017

I am wondering about his agenda. Is it bragging? Is it foundation for a tell all book?

I haven't watched cable news in at least six years. Even then it was only in passing. The article was eye opening to me to better understand what is happening.

 

melman

(7,681 posts)
9. Sure we already know it's rigged
Mon May 29, 2017, 04:40 PM
May 2017

But it's interesting to read exactly how they choreograph it. I think so anyway.

gristy

(10,667 posts)
31. I think this would be news to many. It is to me.
Mon May 29, 2017, 08:53 PM
May 2017

That the final "last word" was scripted by Fox and that script had been delivered from Fox to the person 24 hours in advance.

Duppers

(28,117 posts)
39. Really??
Tue May 30, 2017, 03:59 PM
May 2017

Wow! No shock here.



I'd like to send this to my dumbassed, winger brother but it wouldn't matter. Then he'd do nothing but get more angry with me for shoving facts at him. Seriously, he does. Most of these idiots are all alike.



Chasstev365

(5,191 posts)
5. Al Frankin said it years ago:
Mon May 29, 2017, 04:28 PM
May 2017

Fox is the Harlem Globetrotters and any opposition is the Washington Generals: you know the outcome before the game even begins.

shadowmayor

(1,325 posts)
19. Another Difference
Mon May 29, 2017, 07:11 PM
May 2017

Nobody thinks that rasslin' is real. Even the staunchest fans know that TV wrestling is theater. However, way too many fux noise viewers don't really know that what they're watching is scripted and fake. The Archie Bunkers of our country love the fair and balanced approach promoted by fox and the endless supply of leggy young ladies. And somehow, they can't wrap their heads around the idea that the whole production is just that - a production. And sadly, a shit-ton of the "news" our corporate media feeds us is crap too.

BigmanPigman

(51,567 posts)
8. After I read your first paragraph I said to myself, "That sounds like wrestling".
Mon May 29, 2017, 04:31 PM
May 2017

Then I read on and laughed out loud as I visualized it.

 

Dream Girl

(5,111 posts)
12. Boycott advertisers. Put a stake through their rotten, stinking heart
Mon May 29, 2017, 05:05 PM
May 2017

They have done incalculable damage to this country.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
13. Long suspected
Mon May 29, 2017, 05:43 PM
May 2017

I know Tobin and have been on with him multiple times in the the 2009-2011 timeframe.

Let me just say that I long suspected much of what he wrote, and to the best of my ability took various countermeasures that my wife and I (she is pretty high up in media) would discuss before each appearance.

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
22. Did you ever receive a script?
Mon May 29, 2017, 07:23 PM
May 2017

Seems you would be the best person on here to inform us with regards to this story and FOX News practices in general.

Apologies, I posted below, but didn't see you had already responded to the thread.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
25. All news outlets request talking points from you before appearances
Mon May 29, 2017, 07:34 PM
May 2017

That's standard, CNN, MSNBC, FNC, RT, Newsmax, Blaze, etc., they all do that

The points are supposed to show you know what you are talking about on the subject and also give the host some sort of clue where you are going so the conversation can flow better.

The points are not supposed to be used to rig the debate. If the host is moderating a debate between you and another person, they are not supposed to give your talking points to the other person and then gang up on you. Incidentally Megyn Kelly would come into the green room and engage with you to see how far past the talking points you can engage. She was pretty unique in doing that.

That being said, I have long suspected in various instances that people had read my points and. not just at one network. The simple solution to that problem that I have employed is to make a list of my top six talking points in order and provide the networks points 2, 5, and 6 and not the best parts of point 2 and then lead with points 1 and 3. That's in addition to various other measures that I won't discuss in public.

And no, I never received a script from there. Of course if what Tobin alleges is true, I wouldn't have been the one getting the script.


Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
28. Thanks for that.
Mon May 29, 2017, 08:31 PM
May 2017

Very interesting to hear how this all works. I'm still not sure I fully understand the difference between a guest and a contributor.

So, the way you did things, I would imagine that you caught the FOX contributor off-guard, particularly if they were scripted to respond to what you were "supposed" to say?

How did that go over?

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
29. A contributor is a network employee and paid. Guests are independent and not paid.
Mon May 29, 2017, 08:40 PM
May 2017

Contributor is the lowest level of on screen network employee. They (and any other network employees) need permission before they can appear at a network other than the one where they are an employee. I can and do appear anywhere at anytime.

The reality is, you aren't held to your talking points. The only time anyone will say anything regarding your talking points is if you screw up by freezing or say a killer phrase like "Oh none of that matters anyway" which no one can feed off in any direction. I did that once. And the executive producer promptly and angrily came to me after the segment and said "I thought you were going to say X, Y, Z". That happened exactly once out of 200+ appearances.

Generally, some networks tend to try to throw you off by presenting a topic in a different way than you expected so your talking points may not be 100% applicable anyway. You aren't supposed to be robotically regurgitating your points you are supposed to be engaging on the subject.

Another important thing to note is that if your talking points are terrible, your appearance will be cancelled, so you cant just send in crap.

mwooldri

(10,301 posts)
35. Strangely, a good example of this is when things go wrong.
Tue May 30, 2017, 01:28 PM
May 2017

2006: Guy Kewney, an expert on computer technology was in one area, waiting for an interview on TV about the Apple Corps vs Apple Computer court case. Guy Goma was in another area, waiting for an interview for a job.

The wrong Guy ended up on TV.

Not really a political thing, but I think this shows that on serious news networks the producers do their work (usually) before putting someone in front of the camera.



https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Goma
 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
23. There is a contributor here? Which one?
Mon May 29, 2017, 07:24 PM
May 2017

I thought I was the only one who appeared there. Of course I'm just a guest.

FakeNoose

(32,596 posts)
27. I hope this gets posted where the conservatives can see it
Mon May 29, 2017, 08:26 PM
May 2017

Darn few of them here though. We already know what a crock-of-shit Faux News is.

Thanks for posting though!


 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
30. Do you think CNN does something similar with their panels?
Mon May 29, 2017, 08:45 PM
May 2017

They have the most ridiculous people representing the Trump position and they are pretty much always made to look like the fools that they are but they much smarter non-Trump people on the panel.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
38. When you know what to look for, it's not hard to spot when it is or isn't happening.
Tue May 30, 2017, 02:24 PM
May 2017

If the guests and contributors on one side of the ideological aisle never say anything that seems to surprise the host, or the guests/contributors on the "other side" that's the giveaway. Of course surprise can be feigned, so the additional tell is if the folks on one side of the aisle always seem to have a witty take-down of the points made by folks on the other side, there is no question that this is what is happening.

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