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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMueller could obtain Trump's tax-returns without his permission or even notifying him.
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/05/31/could-the-russia-investigation-reveal-trumps-tax-returns-215212But in interviews, veteran federal prosecutors and legal scholars said that Mueller, who began his investigation only last week, has clear-cut authority to obtain the presidents tax returnsperhaps the most sensitive and sought-after government documents since the Pentagon Papersfrom the IRS if Mueller suspects they might contain evidence of a crime.
And short of firing Mueller and shutting down his investigation, Trumpwho is the first president in 40 years to refuse to make his tax returns public, despite once promising to do so would have almost no way of stopping him. In fact, the prosecutors said, the president and his lawyers would not necessarily even know that Mueller had obtained them.
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Notably, this does not necessarily mean that the public would ever see the returns. If Mueller obtained them, prosecutors said, there would be no obvious way for him to release them unless he needed them as evidence at trial against Trump associates or, possibly, if Congress sought them for an impeachment trial of the president. But the transfer of the documents from the IRS would still be significant historically and otherwiseand could strike fear in the White House.
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A broadly worded provision of the Internal Revenue Code gives Mueller, who acts with the authority of the Justice Department in his new post, the ability to obtain the returns from the IRS if he can demonstrate to a federal judge that there is reasonable cause to believe, based upon information believed to be reliable, that a specific criminal act has been committed and that the returns may be relevant to the investigation. Under the law, there is no requirement that the subject of the investigationin this case, Trumpeven be notified of the court order to IRS. The move does not require a formal subpoena or the action of a grand jury; veteran federal prosecutors said it could all take place in a matter of hours.
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Under the 1999 Justice Department regulations used to name Mueller, Rosenstein is, nominally, Muellers supervisor, which means Rosenstein could try to overturn any significant decision made by Mueller, including a decision to seek the tax returns. The regulations bar Rosenstein from day-to-day supervision of the special prosecutors investigation, though he can intervene if Mueller takes an action that is so inappropriate or unwarranted that it should be blocked. The language is subjective, however, and it has never been tested in detail in court. Its unclear whether Mueller would be compelled to notify Rosenstein in advance that he was seeking Trumps tax returns. Its also unclear what grounds Rosenstein could use to suggest that it was improper for Mueller to obtain them.
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In totally unrelated news, Mueller has added a senior investigator form the DoJ's financial fraud-unit to his team.
https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-05-31/senior-justice-official-said-to-jump-to-russia-probe-team
SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)MontanaMama
(23,307 posts)Before we lose everything!!
ProudProgressiveNow
(6,129 posts)Wounded Bear
(58,647 posts)Last edited Thu Jun 1, 2017, 11:17 AM - Edit history (1)
Lay his financial shenanigans bare to the world. Expose him for the fucking crook he is.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)Thinking about trying to draw that..... 🤓
Jakes Progress
(11,122 posts)If he knew that Mueller were going to call for his tax records, he would resign.
Actually, he would fire Mueller first and then set off that whole round of smoke. But if trump were going to have to have his tax returns shown, he would be gone in a week. Probably say he is too sick to serve. (Which is what we all thought to begin with.)
In my dream scenarios, he makes a deal to give evidence on all the republicans who have ties to russia, are being blackmailed by russia, or have done crooked deals to stay in power. Sure trump goes free to totter around his golf course, but there wouldn't be twelve republicans still in office.
Wounded Bear
(58,647 posts)he would have to get the AG to do it and you're right, even the attempt to fire him would raise a political shit-storm.
I'm not so sure I want this to go at too rapid a pace. Having a sitting president under siege helps stymie the Repub agenda and should help Democratic prospects of regaining the House, and maybe put the Senate in play. The Senate is a really heavy lift, TBS, but we could perhaps make another dent.
I agree about Trump's financials, and I use that term for a reason. His tax returns might tell us a lot, but I suspect the real dirt on the Trump family is their business dealings with international undesirables-especially Russians. If we start drilling there, I'm pretty sure we'll hit gold on 'impeachable offenses.'
AntiFascist
(12,792 posts)which basically tell you how much Trump is worth financially. There would also be information regarding income from various LLCs and what not.
According to this Fortune article:
http://fortune.com/2016/05/23/doland-trump-net-worth/
How much of that recent 70% increase in revenue is due to (Putin directed) Russian oligarchs, or their shell companies, buying into Trump real estate?
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)Good!! Godspeed to you Mr. Mueller, and may the Angels of the Universe protect you.
Madam45for2923
(7,178 posts)DK504
(3,847 posts)" ...has clear-cut authority to obtain the presidents tax returnsperhaps the most sensitive and sought-after government documents since the Pentagon Papersfrom the IRS if Mueller suspects they might contain evidence of a crime."
Don't get my hopes up. Don't toy with my feelings.
Egnever
(21,506 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)He's got everything the FBI had.
In the end I think it will be Trump's great business acumen (LOL) that brings him down.
All the shady deals and money laundering.