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Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
1. "Plus (tee hee) it will be a lot of naughty fun climbing into bed with the Evil Empire*" - Deplories
Thu Jun 1, 2017, 08:55 AM
Jun 2017

* russia, per ronald reagan

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,708 posts)
4. They are going to destroy Jim Comey's credibility.
Thu Jun 1, 2017, 08:59 AM
Jun 2017

I hope and trust he's prepared.

At the end of the day either Comey or Chump will be the only man standing.

better

(884 posts)
15. Apparently a bunch of us missed the memo though
Thu Jun 1, 2017, 09:29 AM
Jun 2017

They stopped being evil when they began allowing private individuals to run off with all the money.

PubliusEnigma

(1,583 posts)
2. The last clown I saw on TV said something like "What does collusion even mean?"
Thu Jun 1, 2017, 08:55 AM
Jun 2017

So now we are to the definition of "is".

They gave up ground much faster than I would have expected.

 

Madam45for2923

(7,178 posts)
10. Is secret or illegal cooperation or conspiracy, especially in order to cheat or deceive others.
Thu Jun 1, 2017, 09:11 AM
Jun 2017

Online definition.

greymattermom

(5,751 posts)
3. they will be looking at all of the financials
Thu Jun 1, 2017, 08:56 AM
Jun 2017

fraud and money laundering are illegal and deplorables will understand that. Collusion is an unknown word to them. They probably think it's the same as collision.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,708 posts)
7. I posted this before
Thu Jun 1, 2017, 09:06 AM
Jun 2017

Collusion might not technically be illegal.


But subornation of perjury, perjury, and obstruction of justice are crimes and one can be guilty of all those even if the underlying act was legal.

A great example is Clinton's consensual blow job. It was legal. The cover up is what created legal exposure for him and Monica Lewinsky.


Also, if there is evidence of collusion with a foreign adversary that's an impeachable offense

Volaris

(10,269 posts)
12. The last sentence is the point.
Thu Jun 1, 2017, 09:16 AM
Jun 2017

They're going to claim Russia isnt an adversary, and even so, it's only Impeachable if the House decides it is, and that's not likely (yet).

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,708 posts)
14. Also , one can think of lots of instances where legal behavior leads to illegal behavior ...
Thu Jun 1, 2017, 09:20 AM
Jun 2017

Melting my hard drive isn't illegal. It would be illegal if I was under investigation.

Volaris

(10,269 posts)
17. That's true the associated crimes or the coverup is what gets peeps in hot water
Thu Jun 1, 2017, 09:37 AM
Jun 2017

Al Capone
Nixon
Bills tryst wasn't illegal. Lying to the grand jury about it sure as hell was...you would think that of all people, fucking REPUBLICANS would have remembered this.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
5. Same arguments as with climate-change:
Thu Jun 1, 2017, 08:59 AM
Jun 2017

There is no global-warming. And if there is, then it's not our fault. And if it's our fault, then it's not a bad thing.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,708 posts)
8. I forgot where I read this.
Thu Jun 1, 2017, 09:08 AM
Jun 2017

That was one of the talking points given to GOP members. One of the members said that's like saying the problem isn't that I'm beating my wife. It's that my kids are calling the cops about it.

Orrex

(63,172 posts)
9. Philip K. Dick neatly dismantles this mode of thinking
Thu Jun 1, 2017, 09:10 AM
Jun 2017

On page 187 of Valis, he calls it "the two-proposition self-canceling structure," in which the second statement is offered in apparent support of the first, even though it does nothing of the kind.

As Dick phrased it: "I don't steal horses, and anyway you have a crummy horse."


Regardless, I find your assessment to be distressingly credible.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,708 posts)
11. Or
Thu Jun 1, 2017, 09:15 AM
Jun 2017

“Say you sue me because you claim my dog bit you. Well now, this is my defense: My dog doesn’t bite. And second, in the alternative, my dog was tied up that night. And third, I don’t believe you really got bit. And fourth, I don’t have a dog.”

-Richard "Racehorse" Haynes

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