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Jimbo101

(776 posts)
Thu Jun 1, 2017, 10:56 PM Jun 2017

Historians Will Be Baffled by Our Times

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Ezra Klein: “The world is currently on track for catastrophic levels of global warming. Destroying one of our last best chances to set a different path might prove Trump’s most consequential, and disastrous, legacy.”

“If it does, historians living in the altered climate of 2050 will look back on the 2016 campaign in horror. As they read the coverage, they will find a polity that knew of the danger and importance of climate change, but preferred to talk about Hillary Clinton’s emails instead. Indeed, as Media Matters documents, there was less coverage of climate change in the 2016 election than in the 2014, 2012, or 2010 elections… Meanwhile, networks’ flagship news shows devoted more coverage to Clinton’s emails than to every policy issue combined.”

“We often look back on past generations and wonder about their cruelty, their blithe dismissal of actions that seems to us, now, to be obviously moral, obviously right. But imagine how future generations will look back on us. We knew all we needed to know about how climate change would likely affect our descendants, and we decided to let it happen anyway.”
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Historians Will Be Baffled by Our Times (Original Post) Jimbo101 Jun 2017 OP
Baffled only briefly - then they will remember that we are still humans - NRaleighLiberal Jun 2017 #1
No. Ezra, I'm sorry to say, is enabling this sharedvalues Jun 2017 #2
I thought Hillary would say something similar in the debates Awsi Dooger Jun 2017 #3
for someone who cares SO much about his name renate Jun 2017 #4
baffled no more than they were by the madness of king george the 3rd. Javaman Jun 2017 #5
I am... 3catwoman3 Jun 2017 #6

NRaleighLiberal

(60,009 posts)
1. Baffled only briefly - then they will remember that we are still humans -
Thu Jun 1, 2017, 11:00 PM
Jun 2017

and if they look back through history, we seem incapable of learning, advancing, or improving (for extended periods, anyway) - it doesn't take long for the embedded faults in human beings v1.0 to exhibit their flaws - envy, narcissism, greed, hate, etc. Trumps and their ilk have been liberally sprinkled throughout time.

I only hope that humans v2.0 can fix a few of these issues.

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
2. No. Ezra, I'm sorry to say, is enabling this
Thu Jun 1, 2017, 11:04 PM
Jun 2017

I like Klein, but his recent article on Hillary was a classic example of bothsidesism in the media. He has a prominent voice and so he bears more blame than you and I.


Every article Klein writes should say:
Trump is corrupt and lawbreaking
The president lies every day
Having relatives work fo your government is the stuff of dictators
The president is leading us to dictatorship
The GOP is behaving like an authoritatian party because they have been purchased by GOP donors to destroy the government to cut taxes on the rich.



All else is a distraction. Falsely pretending there are "both sides" to any of the issues above is harming America.


Trump is in office because no one, especially the media, talked about the truth - the above issues.


Klein deserves blame, not praise for his lightweight musing on how we got here.

 

Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
3. I thought Hillary would say something similar in the debates
Thu Jun 1, 2017, 11:40 PM
Jun 2017

Climate change was totally ignored in the debates. I'm not sure one question was posed.

I kept expecting Hillary to bring it up along the theme of this thread, that the tapes of the debates would be viewed 100, 200, and so forth years from now, with disbelief and disgust that climate change was not an overriding focus, when there was still opportunity to do something about it.

renate

(13,776 posts)
4. for someone who cares SO much about his name
Fri Jun 2, 2017, 01:03 AM
Jun 2017

It's kind of weird that he's allowing his name--and his name alone, now--to be inextricably linked to any failure of the human race to address global warming.

Javaman

(62,504 posts)
5. baffled no more than they were by the madness of king george the 3rd.
Fri Jun 2, 2017, 08:43 AM
Jun 2017
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_III_of_the_United_Kingdom

George III (George William Frederick; 4 June 1738[c] – 29 January 1820) was King of Great Britain and Ireland from 25 October 1760 until the union of the two countries on 1 January 1801, after which he was King of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland until his death. He was concurrently Duke and prince-elector of Brunswick-Lüneburg ("Hanover&quot in the Holy Roman Empire until his promotion to King of Hanover on 12 October 1814. He was the third British monarch of the House of Hanover, but unlike his two predecessors he was born in Britain, spoke English as his first language,[1] and never visited Hanover.[2]

His life and with it his reign, which were longer than any other British monarch before him, were marked by a series of military conflicts involving his kingdoms, much of the rest of Europe, and places farther afield in Africa, the Americas and Asia. Early in his reign, Great Britain defeated France in the Seven Years' War, becoming the dominant European power in North America and India. However, many of Britain's American colonies were soon lost in the American War of Independence. Further wars against revolutionary and Napoleonic France from 1793 concluded in the defeat of Napoleon at the Battle of Waterloo in 1815.

In the later part of his life, George III had recurrent, and eventually permanent, mental illness. Although it has since been suggested that he had the blood disease porphyria, the cause of his illness remains unknown. After a final relapse in 1810, a regency was established, and George III's eldest son, George, Prince of Wales, ruled as Prince Regent. On George III's death, the Prince Regent succeeded his father as George IV.

Historical analysis of George III's life has gone through a "kaleidoscope of changing views" that have depended heavily on the prejudices of his biographers and the sources available to them.[3] Until it was reassessed in the second half of the 20th century, his reputation in the United States was one of a tyrant; and in Britain he became "the scapegoat for the failure of imperialism".[4]
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