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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHello. I'm vegan. Ask Me Anything.
Why am I making this? Because since our government has decided it's going to shit the bed regarding climate change, it has made it clear that it is up to we, the people to do everything in our power to help our mother Earth.
We need to recycle more.
We need to invest in longer lasting purchases, stay away from disposables.
We need to use less water.
We need to be more conscious about how we get around.
And regarding this subject, we need to eat less meat.
I'm not asking anyone here to go full vegan (though it's not bad if you do!) And I'm not going to be calling anyone MURDERERSSSSS because I'm not that kind of vegan.
In fact, you might notice after my 10,000 posts here on DU, I have never been preachy about it.
But after yesterday's decision by limpshart mcfuckhead, I decided, maybe I should try.
I won't be preachy. So if you ask, I'll do my best to answer. I'm not the authority on veganism but I am a practicing member.
But as a base, I'll link something as a means to show what veganism has to do with climate change.
http://www.nbcnews.com/better/diet-fitness/vegan-eating-would-slash-cut-food-s-global-warming-emissions-n542886
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-greenhouse-hamburger/
So, if you're curious about the exciting world of veganism, ask away!
lunasun
(21,646 posts)retrowire
(10,345 posts)Remove the seeds from the flesh.
Fry the flesh and pull it apart on your fave BBQ sauce.
Texture and taste is surprisingly accurate to standard BBQ sandwich.
lunasun
(21,646 posts)That would have gone perfectly with the spicy honey eggplant I had yesterday
Thank you from a 70/30 trying to go 100
retrowire
(10,345 posts)The seed removal can be annoying and messy but it's not a sophisticated recipe.
Do look one up though!
mucifer
(23,531 posts)Do you stir fry it or deep fry it?
No such thing as a stupid question when it comes to vegan cooking! All kinds of rules get changed when preparing food with nontraditional ingredients.
mucifer
(23,531 posts)hedda_foil
(16,372 posts)I love French dip au naturel, so to speak. And the recipe's author got turned off to it as a child, so I doubt if it actually tastes a lot like the real, beefy thing. Nevertheless, the recipe looks delish. I'm making it as soon as I get a couple of Portobello mushrooms.
mucifer
(23,531 posts)My cousin who is an omnivore enjoyed it when I made it for her.
hedda_foil
(16,372 posts)Response to lunasun (Reply #1)
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lunasun
(21,646 posts)And have been a little hesitant to try myself ...glad to read I can do something tasty pretty easy once the seeds are gone then I guess it's easy . It has been priced low lately so now is a good time to try .
anarch
(6,535 posts)protei..... nah I'm just kidding.
How about that wide selection of vegan cheeses these days, eh? Sure different than it used to be....
Yes, the vegan dairy selection is vast in 2017.
Heard of field roast Chao Cheese?
Hands down, the best sliced vegan cheese. You can fold it entirely and it won't snap, it bubbles and browns under heat. It's fantastic.
KPN
(15,642 posts)sliced provilone. Very much like the real stuff in taste and texture.
a la izquierda
(11,791 posts)Yummo!
snpsmom
(677 posts)Vegan niece and I did a bunch of diferent ones last time she visited, and they were yummy.
mucifer
(23,531 posts)Also, if you want a recipe google is your friend if you put in the ingredients and often there are reviews and critiques of recipes online.
lunasun
(21,646 posts)Loki Liesmith
(4,602 posts)Any suggestions for veggie based meals that kids who hate most vegetables could enjoy?
retrowire
(10,345 posts)So, I grew up a meat and potatoes guy. Veggies made me nauseous.
But then my wife showed me that veggies can be prepared in more ways than just gross boiling and steaming.
Fried or baked veggies with seasonings more than salt? Wow!
What got me into veggies was texture more than flavor. I still hate tomatoes for instance.
Take note of what foods your kid DOES like. Do they like crunchy? Gummy? Sour? Sweet? Spicy?
And then look at what veggies can become a comfortable gateway for them?
For me, I loved crunchy and savory and salty. So broccoli, cabbage and asparagus became easy for me so fast! Then I started getting more comfortable with leafy things like kale and spinach!
And I made this change at the age of 23. It's never too late lmao
Chellee
(2,095 posts)Kids think they're getting a fruity treat (and they are) but you can sneak all kinds of veggies in there. Leafy greens, cauliflower, sweet potato, squash, it's endless.
Also you can puree veggies and stir them into mac and cheese. (And I won't even scare you with my recipe for "cheese" made out of potato, carrot, onion, and nutritional yeast. )
lunasun
(21,646 posts)When my kids were young they loved those ! Still eating healthy as teens with lots of veggies one way or another.
Loki Liesmith
(4,602 posts)The boy noticed a green fleck and accused me of trying to poison him. He loves melodrama.
Would be interested in the cheese recipe except wife has her own mac and cheese that I'd be displacing. Could get ugly.
Madam45for2923
(7,178 posts)This is awesome to have someone like you answering questions like this.
I am an everything eater but love vegan & vegetarian dishes/cuisine. Always surprising. IMO
retrowire
(10,345 posts)Well, my wife does all the grocery shopping so, she'll probably laugh at my guess. But here goes... IN NO PARTICULAR ORDER
1. Pasta (farfalle, penne, shells)
2. Tofu/meat substitute (gardien, Boca, beyond meat, simple truth)
3. Sauces and seasonings absolutely. (Most important onion and garlic powder)
4. Rice (yellow saffron, white)
5. Vegan sour cream. (Tofutti)
6. Vegan milk (Silk, ripple)
7. Fruits
8. Celery, tomato's, spinach, broccoli FRESH
9. Capn crunch cereal (most of these are vegan)
10. Bag of frozen "veg all" (green beans, peas carrots and corn.
That's the best I can remember lol.
Madam45for2923
(7,178 posts)LOL!
Rorey
(8,445 posts)I like to make a big pot of pinto beans and then I have easy meals for days. I soak them for days, so it's a process, but well worth it. I like almost all beans, but lentils are gross. I don't know why I don't like them, but I don't.
I'm not vegan, but I've been a vegetarian for almost 20 years. I understand the reasons to stop dairy. My son is vegan and explained it to me. I bad.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)Wounded Bear
(58,647 posts)I am aware of the pollution load of growing livestock and processing and transporting such foods.
I do eat a lot less meat than I used to, especially beef. I'm not religious or preachy about many things. I don't necessarily do it as a "green" tactic, but we all do what we can.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)Less is more! Any contribution helps.
Wounded Bear
(58,647 posts)and it's been known for quite a while. Our problem is that we have been making decisions for the wrong reasons.
We've let short term financial motivations override morality and our true long term needs.
crazylikafox
(2,754 posts)I'm trying to give up meat, but I have to admit I'm lazy & all that chopping & prep time often gets the best of me. Both my kids (grown) are vegetarians, so I'm always looking for things to feed them that don't take all day to make.
CrispyQ
(36,457 posts)Most of the recipes were transferred over with cut-n-paste from the old DU, but you can still scroll through & check them out. Another fave veg recipe site is VegWeb. http://vegweb.com/recipes
Love that your grown kids are veg!!
crazylikafox
(2,754 posts)Madam45for2923
(7,178 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Over the last couple of years I have dramatically reduced my meat intake. I don't plan on going vegan in any way. I do plan to continue to reduce my meat intake.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)I think attempting to make vegan products appear as something they aren't has a negative impact. Why in the world do they try to mimic non-vegan foods? It makes no sense to me.
mucifer
(23,531 posts)we feel we should enjoy food as much as you do.
We shouldn't have to have just wheat grass, tofu and carob.
Plus, the more options we have the more likely more people will join us in eating foods that have less cruelty and are better for the environment.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)"We shouldn't have to have just wheat grass, tofu and carob. "
I also never delved in to any type of food oppression verbiage. At all.
"we feel we should enjoy food as much as you do. "
I never described anyone as a victim who shouldn't enjoy anything as much as I do.
"the more options we have the more likely more people will join us in eating foods that have less cruelty and are better for the environment."
That is the part that is a partial answer. I still think it's a strange way to go about it.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)This takes a little perspective to answer.
Let's look at the vegan burger for example. Why is it trying to emulate a cows beef?
Well when you think about it, it's not.
A beef burger is an amalgamation of ground up cows meat that is cooked and seasoned to become what we think of as a burger.
But a burger is not the cow. Ever taste raw cow meat? It doesn't taste like a burger. It tastes fleshy and coppery like blood and sinew.
So when people say, "why are vegans trying to make their food taste like animals? Why not eat the real thing?"
The answer is, our food doesn't taste like the animals. Neither does animal meat. It tastes like the caramelization of proteins that were applied to heat, which is then seasoned and sauced.
And in the end, that's what vegan meat substitutes are emulating, a seasoned patty of protein. Not a cow or a chicken.
To put it another way, we don't look at animals and get a craving, but we do look at a burger and get hungry. We don't crave cow, we crave salt and pepper. You know?
And this analogy isn't illogical, people separate the animal from the food all the time, no one is really thinking "mmm pigs butt" as they bite into a BBQ sandwich.
God I hope that made sense. Lol
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)That one line is the perfect answer. Not negating the rest of your response in any way.
That makes me happy. I know I tend to ramble, sorry.
CrispyQ
(36,457 posts)I've been a vegetarian for over 30 years. When I first went veg they didn't even have garden burgers & soy milk was so putrid I couldn't drink it. They had tofu & tempeh, but we didn't have the internet, so learning how to cook these things wasn't easy if you didn't know other vegetarians. I had several dishes that I threw out because they were so bad or so bland! I was used to using meat or chicken/beef broth for flavor. It took me a few years to re-learn how to cook. Lots of burritos during that time! I remember when garden burgers first came out - I was on cloud nine! I could finally go to a BBQ & eat like everyone else.
Funny, now I hardly eat meat analogs at all. I like to make open faced Tofurky sandwiches with mashed potatoes & gravy once every 6 months & I do like an occasional Gardien meatball on my pasta, but for the most part I eat baked tofu as my main source of protein.
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My notes on tofu, for the record.
1. There is a myth that you can marinade tofu & it will absorb the flavor of the marinade. Not true! Tofu is so full of water that it absorbs nothing. If you want tofu to taste like something, a better way to prepare tofu is to bake it.
2. Freezing tofu changes the texture. Some people put the entire package of tofu in the freezer. Others drain it & freeze it on it's own. I've found that either method changes the texture of the tofu. I think it's really gross - like a sponge. But some people don't mind & it is an easy way to keep it for a long period of time.
3. A lot of articles say to take the tofu out of it's original container, put in in a plastic bowl, cover it with water & then, change the water daily until you use it. The store doesn't do that! Why should you? I've never done this & I've bought tofu that had a date 2-3 weeks out & I've used it almost at the end of the date & it's been just fine.
4. I pay about $1.70 for a pound of tofu.
Baked Tofu Sticks
preheat oven to 350º
1 tub of tofu it really doesnt matter if its firm or soft
1/3 cup of some kind of seasoning sauce - soy sauce, Braggs Liquid Aminos, BBQ sauce, I've even used pesto.
1. Drain the tofu no need to press the water out.
2. Slice the block into six slices & place on a baking sheet.
3. Bake at 350º for 30 minutes.
4. Pull out of oven & brush the sticks with seasoning sauce & put back in the oven for 10 minutes.
5. Every 10 minutes, pull the sticks out & brush again & bake until the tofu is the consistency you like. When it's cooled & chilled, it will be slightly firmer than when it's right out of the oven.
6. Cool tofu slices before placing in container. These will keep for a week in the fridge.
I cut these in cubes & add to salads, pasta or rice dishes, miso soup. We live on these things.
You can also crumble the tofu instead of slicing it. Spread it evenly over the baking dish & bake for 30 minutes. After you add the seasoning sauce, stir the tofu around before putting back in the oven. When I make tofu this way, I have to put it in the fridge when it's done, or my husband & I will snack on it until it's gone.
Remember if the tofu is too soft for your taste, bake it some more. You can turn tofu into jerky if you want.
Revanchist
(1,375 posts)I bought this
and can get over a half cup of liquid out of the tofu before I season it
If you want to try to reduce the cooking time of baked tofu try this trick. I use it when I don't mind a little extra oil and it makes some really good baked tofu.
CrispyQ
(36,457 posts)I use to use free weights to press tofu. Then I decided it was easier to bake it longer or hotter. For many years there was a Mexican restaurant in town that served tofu tacos. I don't know what they used to season their tofu, but it was fab.
justiceischeap
(14,040 posts)The problem I've found with most meat eaters on the vegan meat question is that if you expect these vegan alternatives to taste like meat, you'll often be disappointed. One must appreciate them for what they are and not what they're "trying" to be.
Also, it's nice to have variety. I love veggies, always have much more than meat (even as a kid) but it's nice to add something into that mix--plus it's an easy way to get protein.
Qanisqineq
(4,826 posts)The only thing that keeps me from being vegan is some cheese at home and eggs/cheese when eating out. I usually make it 4 to 6 months being vegan and then fall off the wagon and try again 6 months later.
I converted my husband to vegetarianism (and he actually eats more vegan cheese than I do!) and my almost-3-year-old daughter has only tried meat once. She gets very upset when she sees people eating animals on TV. The other day, someone was talking about eating chicken and she said to me, "That's sad. We don't eat chickens, or cows, or mice."
Nope, definitely not mice.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)I can understand the eggs and such when eating out though I myself don't.
Is there something about vegan cheese that you didn't like?
davekriss
(4,616 posts)davekriss
(4,616 posts)Although I do on rare occasions indulge my addiction to cheese and consume a good brie or tasty appenzeller. But only occasionally.
davekriss
(4,616 posts)In order of importance:
(1) Animals suffer - from being raised on factory farms to being led to slaughter, they suffer. I once, while travelling at night, pulled in to a gas station. I heard the screaming of many children, clearly frightened and panicked. It was bone chilling. Then I realized the sounds were coming from a truckload of pigs. I decided then and there that I would not contribute to that suffering.
(2) Eating a plant-based diet requires a smaller ecological footprint. It is more efficient, one stop from the sun. Eating further down the chain requires more landmass, uses more water, produces more waste, and requires more energy.
(3) It's healthier!
(As already confessed, though, I occasionally indulge my addiction to cheese.)
retrowire
(10,345 posts)On my commute to work in the morning, I pass by the occasional livestock truck filled with baby pigs.
They have no idea what's happening to them. They're smarter than dogs and they get to be on the table while the dog gets to be under the table.
They all deserve better.
CrispyQ
(36,457 posts)They were delightful characters! Two of them would follow us around the farm when we played. Since then, I've known three potbellied pigs - again, all delightful, although one was a little mischievous & liked to hide things.
Guy Whitey Corngood
(26,500 posts)virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)As I have tried to incorporate various plant foods into my diet, I have read a lot about plant defenses, like lectins.
Some plants are trying to keep creatures from eating them.
Is there a branch of veganism which approaches plants from a philosophical perspective, that respects plants and their desire to defend themselves, promoting the eating of only parts of a plant that it wishes you to eat so that it can procreate.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)There are people who will not eat a fruit unless it fell from the tree of its own accord.
But baseline is the idea of conciousness. If it has a central nervous system and a brain then it's off limits. That's at least what I follow.
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)some of the new discoveries are causing me to re-evaluate my view of plants.
Although I've never used hallucinogenic plants, the descriptions that I've heard of experiences have caused me to believe that they represent some form of higher intelligence.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)If not, have you ever eaten meat? If you have eaten meat, what was your favorite? Was it yummy?
retrowire
(10,345 posts)I found veggies disgusting.
My favorite meat dish was beef and rice with gravy. Still is. Still eat the vegan version of that. It's still yummy.
I made the change at the age of 24.
Binkie The Clown
(7,911 posts)What I mean by that is that I eat only from a short list of staples:
1. Tubers including potatoes, sweet potatoes and yams
2. Grains, including rice, barley (usually in soup), oats, corn (as corn bread or tortillas), and wheat (as pasta)
3. Legumes and pulses, including beans, dried peas, and lentils
4. Veggies and leafies, including spinach, broccoli, cauliflower, peas, carrots, green beans, cabbage
5. Fruits and berries including blueberries, peaches, pears, strawberries, tomatoes (yes tomatoes are a fruit), and many others
6. Herbs and spices of every imaginable kind (spice is the variety of life)
7. B-12 supplement (vital for vegans)
No meat, fish, eggs, or dairy. No prepared, boxed, or canned "food". No refined oils. Almost no added sugar.
The two main benefits are 1) it's the healthiest way to eat, and 2) it's the cheapest way to eat when you buy staples in bulk.
I don't use recipes because I don't need them. The combinations are endless, and there is plenty of variety depending on the combinations and seasonings you use.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)Sounds like less ingredients for your body to process equal more efficient processing of them.
Does that make sense?
Binkie The Clown
(7,911 posts)retrowire
(10,345 posts)I'm curious about that. I should look it up.
renate
(13,776 posts)I'm vegetarian but not because I don't like meat--I miss it, especially chicken.
Soy curls are da bomb. I mean, they won't replace a tenderloin or anything, but if you miss recipes that involve chicken in any kind of sauce or curry, I strongly recommend soy curls. They seem expensive by the ounce, but you rehydrate them so a few ounces dry go a long way.
And if like me you're a vegetarian who lives with and cooks for non-vegetarians, they are a fantastic way to keep the non-vegetarians from feeling cheated out of getting meat.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)But oddly enough can never find them to buy. I've got plenty of options so I'm not without but, where do you get those from?
renate
(13,776 posts)I ordered a 12-pound bag/box because it was so cost effective that way. If you have vegan/vegetarian friends, you'll be able to split the box several ways and still have plenty for yourself. And if you don't have a lot of vegan/vegetarian friends... you'll be eating a lot of soy curls, because there's a LOT in a 12-pound box. They're very lightweight. They store well (so far, so good, anyway) even though the manufacturer recommends refrigeration, which seems overcautious to me. Over the winter in the garage I haven't had a problem, and they're totally dry so I wouldn't think summer would be a problem either.
TlalocW
(15,380 posts)Of length L and diameter D, and you dip a measuring stick from the top inside to the bottom and come out with a depth of X for the liquid inside, what is the volume of the liquid?
TlalocW
retrowire
(10,345 posts)Uhhh uhhh uhh
Answer=LxDxX?????
a la izquierda
(11,791 posts)Kali
(55,007 posts)Cattle (and other animals) can convert vegetation we humans can't eat to high quality healthy protien. As well, livestock are one of the best tools we have to reverse desertification, build soils, and sequester carbon.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)It only helps in moderation.
Factory farms counteract the benefits.
DesertRat
(27,995 posts)I'd love to be vegan, but so many protein rich foods contain soy. Suggestions?
MineralMan
(146,286 posts)of wheat gluten products you can use in various ways.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)Look into beyond meat for example, they use pea protein primarily to make their faux chicken.
DesertRat
(27,995 posts)I've noticed more products are using pea protein now.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)Beyond meats work with pea protein and such is actually proving superior to soy alternatives. Their chicken strips for example do not lose much firmness in a soup but they still retain broth very well.
It's an exciting thing.
Guy Whitey Corngood
(26,500 posts)favorite vegan cookbooks?
retrowire
(10,345 posts)Thug Kitchen: Eat like you give a f*ck
And
Thug Kitchen: Party Grub for social motherf*ckers
Are surprisingly full of wonderful dishes.
Guy Whitey Corngood
(26,500 posts)in Chicago. So I can try to make a jackfruit ropa vieja instead of steak, which is what I normally put in it. Thx!!
Chellee
(2,095 posts)Buy the kind in brine or water. You still have the fish out the seeds. I mean, it won't hurt you to eat them, but the texture is more like a bean, which isn't really what you're going for.
Chellee
(2,095 posts)A great resource is http://www.findingvegan.com
I also like http://kblog.lunchboxbunch.com The blogger is Kathy Patalsky, her cookbook is great, Happy Healthy Kitchen. She also has a book of smoothies, 365 Vegan Smoothies.
Kristy Turner's site http://keepinitkind.com and her cookbooks, But I Could Never Go Vegan & But My Family Would Never Eat Vegan are also great.
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)Have you played with aquafaba at all?
I ran across a recipe for meltable aquafaba "butter" made w/almonds I plan on trying.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)My wife collects it, it sits in the fridge and goes bad. Damn.
xor
(1,204 posts)xor
(1,204 posts)I only ask because I've seen a lot debates among vegans over eating honey. Although, it seems like the ones who do are in the minority. I don't personally know any vegans (or at least don't know I do), so I don't know how those online discussions translate to the real world... Obviously, I am assuming you all meet up every weekend at some secret lodge to discuss your plans for global domination.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)Yes there's a divide between vegans who say no to ALL animal products and byproducts and those who don't really consider insects in the spectrum of animalia.
For me it's just, if: brain+nervous system = no. Bees fit that.
Plus, bees are in danger right now. Is farming them good for them or bad? I haven't done the research on this.
xor
(1,204 posts)I did it before without much conscious effort. It just kind of happened, and then I got to the point where eating meat made me feel queasy. I already cut back on meat again because it causes my stomach to get upset these days. I figure my body is probably telling me something.
femmedem
(8,201 posts)I think eating his honey is beneficial because he takes good care of his bees--doesn't overharvest his honey, for example--and his bees are good local pollinators.
I can't remember the last time I ate meat, but once in a while I'll eat some dairy or egg if I'm at someone's house or out with friends and there aren't vegan options.
Vinca
(50,267 posts)retrowire
(10,345 posts)There are a couple methods to replace eggs as an emulsifier in baking.
Some vegan bakers use apple sauce or bananas and they tend to lend a very natural sweetness to the selection.
Then there's some product like VeganEgg by Follow your Heart which is fanfuckingtastic and we can easily make an omelette with it.
Then there's other common household items like how two tablespoons corn starch dissolved in 2 tablespoons water replaces 1 egg.
Vinca
(50,267 posts)vegan would be very hard for a cheese-aholic like me.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)And alot of people keep saying "addicted" for a reason. We humans do actually gain an addiction for dairy and it's pretty bad. I won't be preachy but I will link this.
http://yumuniverse.com/addiction-to-cheese-is-real-thanks-to-casomorphins/
Good read!
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)ever give up cheese and butter.
snpsmom
(677 posts)let sit 5 minutes to thicken. This = 1 egg.
LeftInTX
(25,258 posts)I was all consumed with gas and bloating.
It was so bad, I had to scale back my social activities.
I gave up because I couldn't go to the gym and other healthy activities.
It was really bad.
I was getting my protein soy products.
How do you deal with gas?
Or maybe it was just me.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)There are people that will tell you, "see? Vegetarianism doesn't work and humans weren't meant for it!"
But one diet doesn't apply to every human because we're all different.
Gas has not been a problem for me so this is likely an individual issue. This needs to be approached from what you know about yourself. What were you eating during that time? What veggies specifically? I know cabbage has a reputation for gaseous gut reactions.
Were you mixing foods that your body normally wasn't familiar with? It could be many things!
LeftInTX
(25,258 posts)I was eating tofu hot dogs for my protein.
I now have Beano when I consume legumes.
It seems to help.
(I didn't buy Beano when I tried my vegetarian experiment)
Maybe I could try again with Beano.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)But keep your eye out for all the new products that do away with soy for other proteins. Beyond Meat is doing amazing things with pea and carrot proteins.
hunter
(38,311 posts)We all depend on a community of bacteria in our gut to process some of our foods, and they sometimes don't respond calmly to sudden changes in our diet.
A more gradual change to a vegetarian diet might be helpful.
I can eat beans without any problem, even when I cook them in careless ways. (No presoaking, etc...)
That hasn't always been the case. My parents and grandparents always had a freezer full of fish, and often animal meat, and I grew up on a diet that reflected that. (My grandfather ate bacon and eggs and toast fried in the bacon grease almost every morning.)
Whenever I'd switch from that diet to my own regular diet of rice and beans and greens I'd have a few days of trouble.
Takket
(21,561 posts)my wife is allergic to dairy. wondering what tastes closest to real butter
Glimmer of Hope
(5,823 posts)retrowire
(10,345 posts)And honestly, I don't think we ever try anything else. That's how much of a staple Earth balance is in our kitchen lol!
aikoaiko
(34,169 posts)I'm in my 40s now, but when I was in my 20s I have a vegan girlfriend and I tried so hard to not eat meat.
Almost every meal felt like a hardship. Like I was eating side dishes. Nothing satisfies me like meat. And it so easy to cook something that tastes great (i.e., grill or BBQ).
Do you have decide that culinary misery is price one has pay for doing the right thing and commit? How does one get over the misery of the food?
retrowire
(10,345 posts)Veganism from 20 years ago is almost certainly more laborious than it is today. ALOT has changed in regards to what is possible.
Here's a few of the Staples in our household.
Beef Tacos, cheesy nachos
Stroganoff
Spaghetti
Chicken parmesan
Yellow rice with hot sauce chicken and sour cream
Burgers
Chicken sandwiches
Casseroles
Chili
Stir fry's
My wife started vegetarianism 15 years ago and one of the honestly exciting things about this discipline is that it invites a lot of creativity, there aren't as many limits as your girlfriend's seemed to impose. You can add rice to soups to make them more filling, beans to rice, stir fry's yadda yadda yadda.
If every dish felt like a side, it leads me to believe that she was thinking inside the box of "salads and fruits and normal veggies are all I can eat"
Regarding the "misery" of it, I will quote a former manager of mine who once told me his reason for going vegan was because he needed more variety and excitement in his food! I know it sounds odd that removing an ingredient would cause that but, necessity is the mother of invention.
beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)Madam45for2923
(7,178 posts)Do you enjoy also?
retrowire
(10,345 posts)Seitan can also pull that off.
If you want the sensation of tearing it off a bone then shove some.popsicle sticks in it lol XD
Not being sarcastic, vegan chicken legs have wooden sticks in them so there's something to hold onto while eating it.
Chellee
(2,095 posts)We have a vegan restaurant that does an outstanding fried chicken leg. They use pieces of sugar cane for the bone. They also wrap the seitan in yuba first so you get a crispy "skin" as well. They are so delicious. I mean, they're still deep fried, so they're not exactly healthy, but they taste fantastic.
Revanchist
(1,375 posts)but I've adopted the habit of going meatless 2 to 4 days a week for the past few months now.