Jill Wine-Banks just nailed one of Trump's escape hatches shut on Chris Hayes

[Miles Archer]

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1). "Trump didn't know it was wrong to talk to Comey 1-on-1" talking point was raised in the discussion

2). CANDIDATE Trump "complained bitterly" when Bill Clinton got on Loretta Lynch's plane "during an ongoing investigation" (even though he had NO EVIDENCE that a WORD of that was discussed), SO...

3). CANDIDATE Trump knew attempting to influence an ongoing investigation is WRONG, SO...

4). PRESIDENT TRUMP KNOWS, AND KNEW, that nine 1-on-1 conversations with Comey about an ongoing investigation was WRONG, also known as "obstruction of justice."

[rzemanfl]

1. K&R n/t

[leftstreet]

2. Nice!

[malaise]

3. Yep and to the greatest page

Rec

[GP6971]

4. K & R

[gademocrat7]

5. K&R!

[ProudLib72]

6. But that's deductive reasoning

And everyone knows that deductive reasoning is librul trickery!

[erronis]

17. And any type of reasoning is the work of the devil!

You know it is RIGHT if your god (or gut in the case of rump) tells you so.

So many RIGHTeous aholes in the repuglican party. Do the gravitate to that dark hole, or are they sucked in? What an embarrassment to our homo predecessors. Guess survival of the fittest doesn't work since they don't believe in evolution.

[ProudLib72]

29. God has been making the rounds more frequently

Hasn't he? God is going to sort out climate change and all the heathens who hate tRump.

[iluvtennis]

28. LOL :-)

[AnotherMother4Peace]

7. Putting out an opening statement will allow Comey to prepare for the attack: so far

we know the GOP is going to try and discredit him and claim Trump stupidity.

[AnotherMother4Peace]

25. Another reason to put out an opening statement is to prevent a last minute Trump shut down

of his testimony. OR the thing that happened in the Michael Corleone senate hearings, when Pentangali's brother is brought over from Italy as an unspoken hostage. The Godfather...

[Baitball Blogger]

8. And, apparently, Comey explained to the president that the FBI director position

was one that required independence. One of the talking heads mentioned that Comey told him on the first meeting.

[trueblue2007]

10. so Trump can't complain and say he didn't know. HE WAS NOT IGNORANT. He knew.

Because Comey told him ... he can't whine and cry ....."I didn't know"

[lpbk2713]

9. Yes

Trump's own words are incriminating. His deeds are indefensible.

[wishstar]

11. That was a good observation she made about Trump criticizing Bill Clinton meeting Loretta Lynch

No way he didn't know it was inappropriate to try to influence the Flynn investigation.

Also Trump persisted for months trying to sway Comey even after Comey had told him at the first meeting that there was supposed to be distance and independence.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

12. Excellent. K&R. n/t

[marybourg]

13. I don't think Jill Wine-Banks was ever an FBI Agent, but

she was a DOJ lawyer on the staff of special prosecutor Leon Jaworski during the Watergate scandal. In the proceedings before Judge John Sirica, she was responsible for cross-examining President of the United States Richard Nixon's secretary Rose Mary Woods about the 18-1/2 minute gap on the Watergate tapes. She showed that Wood's proffered explanation for how she "accidentally" erased that section of tape was impossible, garnering attention and acclaim.

In 1977, she was appointed General Counsel of the Army, by President Jimmy Carter, the first woman to hold that position. In that role she promulgated a rule forcing all Army hiring authorities to justify in writing the hiring of a male attorney, when a qualified female attorney had also applied for the position, thus opening up the ranks of Army lawyers to sizable numbers of females (including me, which is why I know this story) for the first time

[Miles Archer]

15. I edited the thread title

Apparently I misread the crawl during the segment...it was enough of a task to capture and transcribe the conversation with clarity. So all is right with the world again.

[marybourg]

16. Thank you for grabbing the story.

It re-connected me with a person who doesn't know me, but who was my benefactor anyway.

[H2O Man]

14. Beauty!

Recommended.

[erronis]

18. I'm sorry - I must have missed the source to this thread.

[Miles Archer]

22. Chris Hayes, MSNBC, no link, I transcribed it, it's in my thread title

There's no link because it was on TV and I posted it about two minutes after they had the exchange.

[MedusaX]

19. Ironic that the day *45 1st attempted to obstruct justice was same day WH counsel formally

established the communications protocol for all WH communications with members of DoJ.....

So every time *45 chose to interact directly with Comey, he chose to violate the official procedures established (in writing & dated on official WH letterhead) by his own counsel (McGahn).

What a pompous ass.

[roscoeroscoe]

35. great point

"If the president does it, it is not illegal."

Good luck with that one.

[Barack_America]

20. Intent.

That's what that is.

[Miles Archer]

24. The word "innocent" has been tossed around all night

I had CNN on earlier and it came up in a number of conversations.

A few people talking about "He's a successful CEO, that's just how he does things, he had no way of knowing."

No, he is not "innocent." He knew exactly what he was doing, and has gotten away with every transgression of ethics and decency in the past, so what's just one more goof, ya know? Just keep lying and eventually you'll wear out your opponents.

I'm really not looking forward to the Comey show tomorrow. The spin is going to be brutal.

[LisaM]

40. Of course, he wasn't really a successful CEO, though that's beside the point.

How can anyone defend him on the basis of being unqualified for the job, or unaware of what it entails? And how can anyone who knows someone is unqualified vote for that person?

This isn't running for president of a high school class. This is one of the most important jobs in the world, and knowingly voting for an unqualified person is just wicked.

[oasis]

21. Trump and his surrogates can't pretend he didn't know. nt

[Takket]

23. it doesn't even matter if he knew it was wrong. it is still a crime

[BSdetect]

26. The GOPers and drumpers are really going all out with their think tank talking points.

Well nailed on this one.

[bluestarone]

27. HUM how does that saying go?

IGNORANCE IS NO EXCUSE FOR BREAKING THE LAW!!!!!!

[meow2u3]

30. K&R for...

[Cracklin Charlie]

31. Lock him up?

[SunSeeker]

32. Yup. That was brilliant.

[R B Garr]

33. Saw it and loved it. The way she explained that there was no evidence

of Bill Clinton and Loretta lynch's discussion, which is something I've always noticed doesn't get brought up. Bill C is very chummy and verbose. They could have been talking about anything, grandkids, anything. I was glad to see her bring up the obvious fact there was no evidence rather than listening to the uninformed assumptions.

Thanks for this thread. She really set it up right there with all your points. Brilliant.

[stuffmatters]

34. Saw Wine too & loved her perfunctory dismissal of Trump's 'ignorance"defense

Ignorance is already not a defense, but Wine definitely made it clear that Trump has publicly denounced a candidate's husband for talking to an FBI Director during an investigation...Trump knew it was wrong all nine times he did it.

[Nitram]

36. One more brick in the wall that will shut Trump in for life.

[lark]

37. The way he handled proves he knows he was doing wrong.

First, he mislead Comey on the nature of the dinner, why because he knew Comey would not want to be alone with him due to the investigation. He knew he was doing wrong and took steps to hide it.
2 - When he brought Comey in for a general meeting, he dismissed everyone but Comey. When Sessions tried to stay, Drumpf explicitly told him to leave. Again, he didn't want Sessions to hear what he was going to say because he knew he was doing something illegal.

[niyad]

38. k and r

[Wednesdays]

39. Oh...logic.

You really think that'll fly with the brain-washed minions?

[SleeplessinSoCal]

41. Completely frustrating to be more equipped to govern than nearly the entire GOP.

They rely completely on the protection and cover of Fox News.

[tclambert]

42. No, no, no. He's knows it's wrong if the Clintons do it. If he does stuff, well, that's different.

If the Clintons cured cancer, he'd complain they did it to forward their evil agenda. If Trump causes cancer, Sean Spicer and Kelly Anne would try to spin it in a positive way. Meanwhile, Trump would say, "How can it be wrong? I'm Donald Trump. I'm President. Can you believe it? I'm President!"

[L. Coyote]

43. Watergate Prosecutor Jill Wine-Banks

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