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calimary

(81,044 posts)
3. And don't forget the folks behind "Say Yes to the Dress"
Wed Jun 7, 2017, 10:43 PM
Jun 2017

and any one of the dozens of "Real Housewives of Fill-In-The-Sodom-&-Gomorrah-Here."

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
12. What's the problem with "Say Yes..."? Real people, actual store in NYC, real weddings.
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 10:44 PM
Jun 2017

Not sleazy, not exploitative (unless all personal stories are so), not tabloid fodder, not a Reality TV career stepping-stone.

Seriously, have you ever watched it?

calimary

(81,044 posts)
14. Yeah, I have indeed.
Fri Jun 9, 2017, 12:39 AM
Jun 2017

Watched it, ironically, over the weekend I was with our daughter who was picking out her wedding dress. I'd never seen that show before and late that night back at the hotel, Boom! There it was. I was slack-jawed. I couldn't believe it - but then again, maybe I tuned in on the show that was wallowing in the cheesiest, tackiest, greediest,gaudiest, flooziest, over-indulgent wedding gowns I've EVER seen, with some really spoiled, obnoxious personalities to go with it. I was frankly shocked! I couldn't believe what I was seeing! What the group of us experienced in our real-life version earlier in that same day was lightyears different.

But, in all fairness, perhaps I just happened to catch the one show in the series that showcased that kind of overkill that weekend for high camp purposes or some such. This particular episode seemed really tabloidy to me, though.

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
15. Is the existence of actual tacky gowns a criterion to judge the show? Surely you and
Fri Jun 9, 2017, 05:57 AM
Jun 2017

your daughter are now aware of such offerings in dress stores? The show also features modest gowns and modest people.

(Have you seen prom outfits lately?!)

There have been incredibly heartwarming stories on "Say Yes," with one veteran (the bride) receiving a free gown; very ill parents helping choose; women fitted after major weight loss; etc. Are such good deeds exploitative? I'll take it.

By "tabloid" I meant literally: the store, its employees, and its customers are really real, and never find themselves in the Globe, National Enquirer, etc.

Do they like the television exposure? Sure, why not? So do game contestants, newscasters, and politicians.

Totally unlike "The Bachelorette," e.g., currently on ABC.

calimary

(81,044 posts)
17. Oh yes, been there, done that. ALL of that.
Fri Jun 9, 2017, 12:31 PM
Jun 2017

Daughter even made two appointments - at the little dress shop in the neighborhood and at the Bridal Department in the big elegant department store. She did so mainly to confirm her first impression - that the neighborhood seamstress's little boutique that she preferred was indeed the right choice for her and who she is.

And yes, I've seen lots of prom dresses. I have a personal "thing" against the kinds of prom-dress wedding gowns that proliferate now. But that's merely my opinion and traces to how things were, and how we dressed for weddings when I grew up. Back then, you didn't show a lot of skin because brides were "supposed to be" more modest and demure. No strapless. No glitter. No froufrou. No tinsel. No Vegas. No "mermaid" fishtail type-thing. No my-designer-is-more-famous-than-yours. When I got married, the last thing I wanted to do was look like my wedding cake. I wanted plain, and simple.

I did not guide or steer my daughter. I kept my preferences to myself. If she'd wanted that kind of thing, I would have said "fine!" Because it was HER wedding after all, not mine. As it turned out, I was VERY happy with her choice - and it was demure and beautiful and she looked like an angel!

Btw - I also prefer demure for news anchors. I'm sick and tired of seeing bare shoulders, lots of neck, hair arranged alluringly. It's a NEWSCAST, and NOT a peep show! When I saw a photo of Megyn Kelly, sitting at a small table over cocktails with three men including Vladimir Putin and the Prime Minister of India I think it was - and I was HORRIFIED to see how she dressed. She looked like a high-class call girl. Tight-fitting peek-a-boo top with bare shoulders, bare arms, low neckline; tight short skirt with a slit WAY up-to-here; lots of bare leg; and a pair of spike-heel stiletto open-toed fuck-me shoes to finish it off. This was over last weekend and, thank goodness, she did not dress like a slut to conduct the actual interview. This was evidently for some cocktail party beforehand. Thank GOD she didn't dress for the interview like that!!!

The comment section with that article was full-to-overflowing with comments very much like mine. The basic argument was even off-camera, a female news anchor needs to remember a few things. Like: don't dress like a slut! You represent a big-time American television network, you represent the news division of that network, you represent a LOT of working journalists who, frankly, have nothing to trade on except their credibility, and you ALSO represent an army of women in the business who, in the early days, had to fight our way to those precious few jobs through the then-common presumption that you got where you were because you slept your way to it.

That undercurrent was VERY VERY REAL, back in the 70s when what few women who finally managed to break in and get hired for co-anchor positions were mainly there to be decorative. Or to be the younger "mom" to the usually older, distinguished-looking Alpha male "dad" anchor. That era was when I started my own career in broadcasting. And those women who did succeed were "traditionally" the lesser-of-the-two. The male anchor always opened the newscast with the lead story. NEVER did his female partner enjoy that stature. I remember reading an article about Joan Lunden, then the female cohost on "Good Morning America," who started complaining that she never got any of the big interviews with the big-name newsmakers on the significant hard-news lead story of the morning, because those always went to her male colleague, David Hartman, and then whoever replaced him. I think the sub-heading of that article was "he gets the prime minister, she gets the head lice" (as in - the segment with the school nurse on how to keep that head lice infestation at school from spreading to your kid - aka the "women's beat&quot .

It's a decorum thing, I guess. I'm in my mid-60s now, WinkyDink, so I'm a child of my own era. I can only guess you're not an old crank like me!

I'm glad that "Say Yes To the Dress" is not all tacky, episode-after-episode. Thank goodness for that! But, MAN, the one I saw featured wall-to-wall spoiled demanding daughters of rich daddies who were not exactly what one might called sympathetic characters. I kept thinking - that obnoxious entitled bride-to-be should shut up, count her blessings, and spend a few afternoons working with needy children, or helping downtown in a homeless shelter, learning how people who aren't blessed with too much money have to live.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
4. Exactly what I have been thinking since November
Wed Jun 7, 2017, 10:50 PM
Jun 2017

I am sorry to have to say this, but there is an Idiocracy segment of the population that will vote for President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho.

Grassy Knoll

(10,118 posts)
6. Add Hate For A Black President, And The Thought Of A Future Woman Leader ...
Wed Jun 7, 2017, 11:45 PM
Jun 2017

..With A major Nudge From Russia, Cake Recipe Complete.

Beartracks

(12,786 posts)
8. The cult of ignorance.
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 12:19 AM
Jun 2017

“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'"

-- Isaac Asimov

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