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still_one

(92,138 posts)
Fri Jun 9, 2017, 01:29 PM Jun 2017

J.K. Rowling: "I'm sick of 'liberal' men whose mask slips everytime a woman displeases them

JK Rowling just gave an epic lesson on sexism to a man who called Theresa May a ‘whore’

"Author J.K. Rowling came down hard on a man she previously admired for calling English Prime Minister Theresa May a “whore,” excoriating him for allying himself with men who can’t stand any woman who “displeases” them.

Without identifying the man, who the Harry Potter author described as someone “I thought was smart and funny,” Rowling launched into a tweetstorm calling out the overt sexism."

J.K. Rowling ✔@jk_rowling
If you can’t disagree with a woman without reaching for all those filthy old insults, screw you and your politics. 2/14


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I’m sick of ‘liberal’ men whose mask slips every time a woman displeases them, who reach immediately for crude and humiliating words 3/14

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/06/jk-rowling-just-gave-an-epic-lesson-on-sexism-to-man-who-called-theresa-may-a-whore/

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J.K. Rowling: "I'm sick of 'liberal' men whose mask slips everytime a woman displeases them (Original Post) still_one Jun 2017 OP
Your hyperactive autocorrect changed "every time" in your subject line to "overtime." nt tblue37 Jun 2017 #1
Thank-you, I will correct still_one Jun 2017 #2
And to me that's connected to the tone deaf responses about Maher... bettyellen Jun 2017 #3
+ infinity ismnotwasm Jun 2017 #4
Yes shenmue Jun 2017 #5
*takes a bow* someone just explained to me that they thought he people complaining hadn't bettyellen Jun 2017 #8
+1000! Millions of Americans feel under attack right now, thanks ecstatic Jun 2017 #39
And Maher doesn't want to acknowledge WE are the resistance and WE are leading.... bettyellen Jun 2017 #40
Yep. nt irisblue Jun 2017 #6
The entire tweetstorm deserves repeating... Raster Jun 2017 #7
I want to cross stitch that with a nice border and hang it on the wall. LeftyMom Jun 2017 #10
LOL, that's funny. cheers eom LittleGirl Jun 2017 #35
Thanks Raster still_one Jun 2017 #11
Thank you for the OP and starting the thread. Raster Jun 2017 #14
Or Kamala Harris or Elizabeth Warren who were both silenced in what we now know is just... brush Jun 2017 #27
Bingo! eom LittleGirl Jun 2017 #36
That was a thing of beauty. n/t demmiblue Jun 2017 #37
Gods, she's good. I like Jo Rowling more and more all the time. Hekate Jun 2017 #41
46 and talkin back too! Wawannabe Jun 2017 #46
Wow NastyRiffraff Jun 2017 #47
What's with calling them "liberal"? Is she an anti-liberal Hortensis Jun 2017 #9
She put liberal in quotes: 'liberal'. To me that indicates that they identify as liberals, but still_one Jun 2017 #12
She's insulting them because they're only liberal and no Hortensis Jun 2017 #18
No, she's cutting this particular man out of her social media. Saviolo Jun 2017 #20
No, she's not, her last 5-6 tweets make that clear. stevenleser Jun 2017 #25
I'm afraid they do not. I do agree those behaving Hortensis Jun 2017 #26
Because some so-called liberal men are not really liberal when it comes to women. alarimer Jun 2017 #34
In quotes, "liberal" should be read as... Beartracks Jun 2017 #44
It's strange because zentrum Jun 2017 #13
The context is made very clear in her tweets, and the link still_one Jun 2017 #15
Agreed. I'm not zentrum Jun 2017 #22
Thank you once again J.K. Rowling cally Jun 2017 #16
Good for her! cwydro Jun 2017 #17
I've also seen zentrum Jun 2017 #24
Yes. cwydro Jun 2017 #43
So am I. And there is a boatload of them out there. CousinIT Jun 2017 #19
She's being making a lot of important points lately DesertRat Jun 2017 #21
"Femaleness is not a design flaw." Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2017 #23
Highlight of this excellent philippic klook Jun 2017 #38
Thank you Ms. Rowling!! SunSeeker Jun 2017 #28
It is always offensive to use the word "whore" in relation to a female politician? oberliner Jun 2017 #29
When we see equal proportion of male pols being called gigolos & sluts we'll reconsider terms. Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2017 #30
Agreed oberliner Jun 2017 #33
Yes to your first question, no to your second. I don't know why this is complicated. stevenleser Jun 2017 #31
Thank you oberliner Jun 2017 #32
This message was self-deleted by its author Pacifist Patriot Jun 2017 #42
There are plenty of gender neutral insults for female Republicans IronLionZion Jun 2017 #45
 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
3. And to me that's connected to the tone deaf responses about Maher...
Fri Jun 9, 2017, 01:57 PM
Jun 2017

If he was merely a comedian doing that schtick in a club it's one thing. But he's held up as a model liberal with a politically influential show? Nope. His anti PC crap is stale in the current environment where racism and sexism are rampant.


In the 90's, it was a different, more hopeful time. In the age of Trump his SJW bashing is part of the fucking problem.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
8. *takes a bow* someone just explained to me that they thought he people complaining hadn't
Fri Jun 9, 2017, 02:10 PM
Jun 2017

Experienced racism themselves?!? So they want to silence allies becasue why? Do any of these people realize they're part of a coilition of a majority of women and POC. I'm sorry, they need to get behind us, in every sense. We're leading the damned resistance and they don't get to shout orders when they don't show up in equal numbers. No.

ecstatic

(32,685 posts)
39. +1000! Millions of Americans feel under attack right now, thanks
Fri Jun 9, 2017, 04:30 PM
Jun 2017

to Trump and his newly empowered minions. Those type of "jokes" feel like a pile on in the current environment we're in.

Raster

(20,998 posts)
7. The entire tweetstorm deserves repeating...
Fri Jun 9, 2017, 02:06 PM
Jun 2017

Just unfollowed a man whom I thought was smart and funny, because he called Theresa May a whore. 1/14

— J.K. Rowling (@jk_rowling) June 9, 2017

If you can’t disagree with a woman without reaching for all those filthy old insults, screw you and your politics. 2/14

— J.K. Rowling (@jk_rowling) June 9, 2017

I’m sick of ‘liberal’ men whose mask slips every time a woman displeases them, who reach immediately for crude and humiliating words 3/14

— J.K. Rowling (@jk_rowling) June 9, 2017

associated with femaleness, act like old-school misogynists and then preen themselves as though they’ve been brave. 4/14

— J.K. Rowling (@jk_rowling) June 9, 2017

When you do this, Mr Liberal Cool Guy, you ally yourself, wittingly or not, with the men who send women violent pornographic images 5/14

— J.K. Rowling (@jk_rowling) June 9, 2017

and rape threats, who try by every means possible to intimidate women out of politics and public spaces, both real and digital. 6/14

— J.K. Rowling (@jk_rowling) June 9, 2017

‘Cunt’, ‘whore’ and, naturally, rape. We’re too ugly to rape, or we need raping, or we need raping and killing. 7/14

— J.K. Rowling (@jk_rowling) June 9, 2017

Every woman I know who has dared express an opinion publically has endured this kind of abuse at least once, 8/14

— J.K. Rowling (@jk_rowling) June 9, 2017

rooted in an apparent determination to humiliate or intimidate her on the basis that she is female. 9/14

— J.K. Rowling (@jk_rowling) June 9, 2017

If you want to know how much fouler it gets if you also happen to be black or gay, ask Diane Abbot or Ruth Davidson. 10/14

— J.K. Rowling (@jk_rowling) June 9, 2017

I don’t care whether we’re talking about Theresa May or Nicola Sturgeon or Kate Hooey or Yvette Cooper or Hillary Clinton: 11/14

— J.K. Rowling (@jk_rowling) June 9, 2017

femaleness is not a design flaw. If your immediate response to a woman who displeases you 12/14

— J.K. Rowling (@jk_rowling) June 9, 2017

is to call her a synonym for her vulva, or compare her to a prostitute, then drop the pretence and own it: you’re not a liberal. 13/14

— J.K. Rowling (@jk_rowling) June 9, 2017

You’re a few short steps away from some guy hiding behind a cartoon frog. 14/14

— J.K. Rowling (@jk_rowling) June 9, 2017

brush

(53,764 posts)
27. Or Kamala Harris or Elizabeth Warren who were both silenced in what we now know is just...
Fri Jun 9, 2017, 03:24 PM
Jun 2017

another ol' boys club — the United States Senate.

Wawannabe

(5,651 posts)
46. 46 and talkin back too!
Sat Jun 10, 2017, 11:21 AM
Jun 2017

Thanks for the whole tweet thread.
...Well played JK.

I am at the age where I am gonna call out any fucker that goes there with me.
Gonna hit em low and hard. Then kick em when they fall!

Have some "make'n up" to do!


Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
9. What's with calling them "liberal"? Is she an anti-liberal
Fri Jun 9, 2017, 02:11 PM
Jun 2017

leftist? I agree with zero tolerance for men, and women, calling any woman who displeases them a whore. And agree that some liberal men--in much smaller numbers--copy this common behavior.

But I strongly question her specifically for characterizing this as behavior of liberals. If she were one wouldn't she herself be fed up decades ago with all the lies about liberals?

still_one

(92,138 posts)
12. She put liberal in quotes: 'liberal'. To me that indicates that they identify as liberals, but
Fri Jun 9, 2017, 02:14 PM
Jun 2017

have values less than progressive

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
18. She's insulting them because they're only liberal and no
Fri Jun 9, 2017, 02:30 PM
Jun 2017

farther left?

Let's face it, all liberals are progressive, but not all who call themselves "progressives" in the U.S. are liberals by a long shot. They call themselves that to deny commonality with liberals, of whose attitudes toward cooperation to achieve widespread majority goals (in a republic!!) and policy choices they disapprove.

If she's just fed up with men who identify as liberals but don't always act 100% like it where gender issues are concerned, holding them to a much higher standard than conservatives or reactionaries of any stripe, I can understand it, but she definitely needs to be more specific.

Again, if she's liberal herself she should be beyond tired of the constant attempts from all sides to lie about what we are, to pretend we are not THE reason liberal democracies and progressive methods of government exist at all.

Liberalism is why conservatives in representative, liberal western democracies have to lie. They simply can't tell the truth about what they want and what we want.

Saviolo

(3,280 posts)
20. No, she's cutting this particular man out of her social media.
Fri Jun 9, 2017, 02:56 PM
Jun 2017

He identifies as a liberal, but also uses sexist and demeaning language towards a woman that he happens to agree with. We hold our allies to a high standard because we don't have standards for the other side. We know they're repulsive and terrible. When they live up to it, we expect it.

I think it's a good thing to hold our allies to a higher standard. I recently posted a thread that linked a blog post entitled "Dear Allies: Please Stop Using Gay as an Insult."

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029010750

To which someone shortly afterwards posted: "Dear Allies: Use WHATEVER WORKS."

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029012573

which was a full-throated defence of allies being allowed to use homophobic language if it gets under Trump's skin.

I mean, you can believe what you want, but women, POC, and LGBTQ people sort of expect allies to be allies. When they use language that demeans or attacks, it makes it hard to really see who the real allies are.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
25. No, she's not, her last 5-6 tweets make that clear.
Fri Jun 9, 2017, 03:14 PM
Jun 2017

I don’t care whether we’re talking about Theresa May or Nicola Sturgeon or Kate Hooey or Yvette Cooper or Hillary Clinton: 11/14

— J.K. Rowling (@jk_rowling) June 9, 2017

femaleness is not a design flaw. If your immediate response to a woman who displeases you 12/14

— J.K. Rowling (@jk_rowling) June 9, 2017

is to call her a synonym for her vulva, or compare her to a prostitute, then drop the pretence and own it: you’re not a liberal. 13/14

— J.K. Rowling (@jk_rowling) June 9, 2017

You’re a few short steps away from some guy hiding behind a cartoon frog. 14/14

— J.K. Rowling (@jk_rowling) June 9, 2017

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
26. I'm afraid they do not. I do agree those behaving
Fri Jun 9, 2017, 03:19 PM
Jun 2017

this way may be just "a few short steps away from some guy hiding behind a cartoon frog." But liberals are far more than a few short steps away.

alarimer

(16,245 posts)
34. Because some so-called liberal men are not really liberal when it comes to women.
Fri Jun 9, 2017, 03:50 PM
Jun 2017

They pretend to be, for whatever reason, but scratch the surface and they are really sexist. This has been a complaint of progressive politics for decades, generations even. The 60's protest movement was not very inclusive when it came to women's rights. Women pretty much had to make those gains on their own. And it has issues now, with race and gender still. Or at least parts of it do.

It is here, too. You've seen the arguments over words like this before on this website. And liberals can have seriously retrograde attitudes on a lot of things. Like "latte liberals" who don't want low-income housing in their neighborhood because it will ruin property values.

This is the "no true Scotsman" logical fallacy: that no true liberal could possibly be sexist (or racist, or whatever).

Beartracks

(12,809 posts)
44. In quotes, "liberal" should be read as...
Fri Jun 9, 2017, 08:48 PM
Jun 2017

...."so-called liberal" or "purportedly liberal, but not really liberal"

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zentrum

(9,865 posts)
13. It's strange because
Fri Jun 9, 2017, 02:15 PM
Jun 2017

....I've often called men who trade legislation for money, "whores". So the term can be used for corrupt men too. It's come to have a slightly different meaning in modern times.

But I really take her point and agree--the word was created hundreds of years ago to denigrate women. So I'll stop using it altogether, though I have applied it to men like Trump, or Kushner.

cally

(21,593 posts)
16. Thank you once again J.K. Rowling
Fri Jun 9, 2017, 02:21 PM
Jun 2017

Women who dare to express an opinion face this. I'm struck by the condescension displayed to Senator Kampala Harris by federal employees. I've never seen a Senator treated with such condescension. What she had to have faced over the years to get to where she is. Her poise is remarkable.

DesertRat

(27,995 posts)
21. She's being making a lot of important points lately
Fri Jun 9, 2017, 02:59 PM
Jun 2017

She's a good follow on Twitter. Thanks for posting!

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
29. It is always offensive to use the word "whore" in relation to a female politician?
Fri Jun 9, 2017, 03:31 PM
Jun 2017

Is it also always offensive to use that word in relation to a male politician?

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,994 posts)
30. When we see equal proportion of male pols being called gigolos & sluts we'll reconsider terms.
Fri Jun 9, 2017, 03:35 PM
Jun 2017

Until then it is best to lay off reflexively calling women politicians whores.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
31. Yes to your first question, no to your second. I don't know why this is complicated.
Fri Jun 9, 2017, 03:35 PM
Jun 2017

Using a noose taped to a sign as a protest against a black politician is not the same thing as a noose taped to a sign as a protest against a white politician.

It has to do with the historical bigoted symbolism of the words or actions.

Response to still_one (Original post)

IronLionZion

(45,427 posts)
45. There are plenty of gender neutral insults for female Republicans
Sat Jun 10, 2017, 11:07 AM
Jun 2017

But Trump is still a bawbag to Scottish people.

Politicians of both genders can be assholes, since everyone has one. And jerks, fuckwits, creeps, sleazeballs, dirtbags, scumbags, low-lifes, crooks, liars,

Can women be douchebags? The bag itself has nothing to do with anatomy.

Some great Scottish insults https://www.buzzfeed.com/hilarywardle/custard-flavoured-jobby?utm_term=.piQ9YLxdmq#.brMXKorMmO

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