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The internet is not a friendly place for women (Original Post) DesertRat Jun 2017 OP
What we could have had for a President! G*damnit! justhanginon Jun 2017 #1
I know DesertRat Jun 2017 #3
We should have have her as our president. DK504 Jun 2017 #4
The internet is not a friendly place for anyone! (This site excepted, of course.) Towlie Jun 2017 #2
Yes, but as a guy I don't have to deal with crap like rape threats mythology Jun 2017 #10
I think that is trying to understate how toxic the internet can be for anyone Egnever Jun 2017 #23
Its worse for men. mr_liberal Jun 2017 #26
Slightly perhaps - but 3/4 abusive asses ARE men. And the abuse women get is much more centered on bettyellen Jun 2017 #27
I think men consider it banter and think its funny. mr_liberal Jun 2017 #28
Threats of rape and such are way too common, not just banter to me. bettyellen Jun 2017 #29
That and even death threats can be banter too and not meant to be taken seriously. nm mr_liberal Jun 2017 #30
I don't give a damn what the person meant. Words matter. Threats bettyellen Jun 2017 #31
Thank you for mansplainin' this. brer cat Jun 2017 #34
+1000 sheshe2 Jun 2017 #35
times like this I really wish I could rec posts. JHan Jun 2017 #36
THIS! NastyRiffraff Jun 2017 #46
And here we have the problem quakerboy Jun 2017 #41
"Women take it too seriously imo" YoungDemCA Jun 2017 #47
That was a study of 65 famous people. SticksnStones Jun 2017 #32
There's a 'boys will be boys' culture at hand crazycatlady Jun 2017 #39
No, Its not quakerboy Jun 2017 #40
In fact, no, its really really not quakerboy Jun 2017 #42
"its worse for men" Tarc Jun 2017 #44
Persist! sheshe2 Jun 2017 #5
HRC's dignified 'I am" before the closing salutation is a mark of highly elegant writing. Aristus Jun 2017 #6
+1 DesertRat Jun 2017 #8
Kicked for TRUTH! Foamfollower Jun 2017 #7
Hillary is right. I've read a number of excellent pieces at Teen Vogue. pnwmom Jun 2017 #9
Lauren Duca is a very good writer DesertRat Jun 2017 #11
Thanks, DesertRat! pnwmom Jun 2017 #12
The war isn't over...the battles will continue but... Guilded Lilly Jun 2017 #13
Well said, Guilded Lilly! DesertRat Jun 2017 #16
Resist Persist Exist! Indeed :) Guilded Lilly Jun 2017 #20
Look it's a letter from an adult. Iplayoneontv Jun 2017 #14
Lord have mercy! Aint' THAT the truth! And... NurseJackie Jun 2017 #15
But what about lesser of 2 evils?....those folks knowingly gave us trump and beachbum bob Jun 2017 #17
Neither are Senate Committee hearing...even if you are one of the Senators Sancho Jun 2017 #18
What a beautiful letter NastyRiffraff Jun 2017 #19
God-fucking-damnit... Raster Jun 2017 #21
That's about the highest accolades there could be. Congratulations, Lauren Duca Hekate Jun 2017 #22
I hope somebody tweets this to Cheeto 45 FakeNoose Jun 2017 #24
K & R ...... nt Wounded Bear Jun 2017 #25
And that's the truth. K&R nt JTFrog Jun 2017 #33
K & R........nt Heartstrings Jun 2017 #37
K&R. nt TexasTowelie Jun 2017 #38
Tweet from The Don: "Junior Vogue. Madonna. Old song, old broad. #plasticsurgery #sad #MAGA" WinkyDink Jun 2017 #43
I keep on saying... GetRidOfThem Jun 2017 #45

DK504

(3,847 posts)
4. We should have have her as our president.
Sat Jun 10, 2017, 11:15 AM
Jun 2017

This country is not friendly towards women that speak their mind.

It's 2017, not 1917, this untenable.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
10. Yes, but as a guy I don't have to deal with crap like rape threats
Sat Jun 10, 2017, 11:36 AM
Jun 2017

Or having guys send me random dick pics.

 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
23. I think that is trying to understate how toxic the internet can be for anyone
Sat Jun 10, 2017, 01:55 PM
Jun 2017

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Threats of violence​ and even rape against men are not uncommon at all.

The thing about the internet you can always find someone that disagrees and often find people that disagree violently.

My problem with these sorts of posts is that it seems to set women up to be victims. The vast majority of the violence directed at anyone on the net is done by folks that would not have the courage to even voice their opinions in person forget about actually carry out their threats.

Making their rambling powerful is giving trolls way too much credit.

You can look at any famous person Twitter or Facebook or whatever male or female and find folks who lash out at them. Try Sean Hanity's Twitter some time. It is filled with folks calling for hi. To be beaten or worse.

The internet can be very ugly for anyone women and men.

The whole be a victim thing bugs me.

 

mr_liberal

(1,017 posts)
26. Its worse for men.
Sat Jun 10, 2017, 02:40 PM
Jun 2017

There was a study done recently that showed its worse for men.

Feminists just see sexism everywhere. I don't mean Hillary, but she's just repeating it.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/sexism-cyberspace-men-receive-more-twitter-abuse-women-110858728.html

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
27. Slightly perhaps - but 3/4 abusive asses ARE men. And the abuse women get is much more centered on
Sat Jun 10, 2017, 03:36 PM
Jun 2017

their gender.

What's wrong with these guys?

 

mr_liberal

(1,017 posts)
28. I think men consider it banter and think its funny.
Sat Jun 10, 2017, 05:28 PM
Jun 2017

If a man gets attacked they just attack back and laugh about it. Women take it too seriously imo.

When someone is targeted and harassed over a period of time by another person or group of people then that's when its wrong. That and just the rough and tumble of the internet need to be separated though, and that's something I don't think feminists do. Then all the complaining does is gets twitter, facebook... to censor and ban people and makes things less free, or worse could possibly lead to the govt getting involved. That's what worries me about the issue and why we need real facts about it and it shouldn't be politicised.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
31. I don't give a damn what the person meant. Words matter. Threats
Sat Jun 10, 2017, 06:22 PM
Jun 2017

This attitude that is doesn't matter what people say is part of the reason we elected an asshole like Trump.

brer cat

(24,401 posts)
34. Thank you for mansplainin' this.
Sat Jun 10, 2017, 08:24 PM
Jun 2017

Our weak and overly-sensitive little brains swoon at the very idea of rape, and we hit our Laura Ashley-covered fainting couch at the thought that someone might want to give us grievous injury. Curled up in a fetal position, mewling softly while being sweetly feminine, we wait for our he-man to rush in, take us in his strong arms and say: "Now dear, you know not to take these things seriously! Don't worry your pretty little head about this." If only we women had it as bad as you men do, we might eventually figure it out ourselves, but it's good to know that in the meantime, we can count on a random internet male poster to put us in our place.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
46. THIS!
Sun Jun 11, 2017, 12:42 PM
Jun 2017

is definitely the thread winner. Possibly the winner of several threads. On behalf of us evil "feminists," thank you, brer cat

quakerboy

(13,901 posts)
41. And here we have the problem
Sun Jun 11, 2017, 03:23 AM
Jun 2017

Rape and death threats are not acceptable forms of banter, and excusing them as such is a problem. It is explicitly providing cover and protection for those among them that are serious. And sad fact is that, even if we accept your word that more abuse is aimed at men than at women online, the threats against women are more serious and more likely to be followed through on than those against men.

Lets break it down to actual numbers
If you get 3 rape threats, and each has a 1 in 71 chance of being real, and my sister gets one rape threat with a 1 in 5 chance of being real.. Who can shrug it off as banter, and who should take it seriously?

 

YoungDemCA

(5,714 posts)
47. "Women take it too seriously imo"
Sun Jun 11, 2017, 12:59 PM
Jun 2017

This is a forum for supporters of the pro-women's rights Democratic Party, not for people who trivialize and dismiss violent, often-specific and potentially credible threats against individual women. Ever heard of "doxxing?" Happens to women online on a regular basis - feminist women being the most common targets. What does THAT tell you about how safe the Internet is for women?

If women can't speak out against the very real and utterly pervasive violence, discrimination, and misogyny that occurs both online and offline without some pathetic asshole posting their personal information (including their home address and phone number) online for any stalker or predator to take advantage of, then how the hell are they supposed to participate in online discussions of political and social issues (particularly discussions of issues that directly and disproportionately affect women)? And you have the gall to complain about "censorship" and the Internet being "less free" for so-called "banter" that includes graphic, personal threats of rape and murder? Let me ask you this: have you ever considered how THAT censors and silences women, how that makes them "less free?" That's a rhetorical question, of course.

crazycatlady

(4,492 posts)
39. There's a 'boys will be boys' culture at hand
Sun Jun 11, 2017, 01:07 AM
Jun 2017

I've definitely seen it both online and off. I also work in a male dominated field and have seen it from direct supervisors (this week, when I did something well, my boss said 'Good Girl." IMO 'good girl' is what you say to a dog, not your employee.)

Part of my job description is running petition drives and overseeing street canvassing operations. In one project I worked on, I had a canvasser catcall women in order to get them to sign (I fired him as soon as I found this out).

I've witnessed many busy streets. Not once does a man have to fear walking near a site with many women and getting catcalled.

quakerboy

(13,901 posts)
42. In fact, no, its really really not
Sun Jun 11, 2017, 03:28 AM
Jun 2017
http://www.pewinternet.org/2014/10/22/online-harassment/

I'd much rather be called names or purposefully embarrassed than stalked or sexually harassed. How about you?

Aristus

(66,095 posts)
6. HRC's dignified 'I am" before the closing salutation is a mark of highly elegant writing.
Sat Jun 10, 2017, 11:20 AM
Jun 2017

How I wish she was our President right now...

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
9. Hillary is right. I've read a number of excellent pieces at Teen Vogue.
Sat Jun 10, 2017, 11:32 AM
Jun 2017

I'm glad the writer and the publication have gotten the recognition..

Guilded Lilly

(5,591 posts)
13. The war isn't over...the battles will continue but...
Sat Jun 10, 2017, 11:59 AM
Jun 2017

I'm still with her.

This past travesty of an election has magnified how far women have not actually come after all, but with the bravery and courage of some magnificent leaders we have been re-awakened and energized.

We old crones have seen and experienced much in our lives in the feminine battles, we grow weary as well as cranky sometimes, but seeing the exuberant passion and determination of the younger generation of women in the Resistance, it strengthens us!

Together we are a considerable force. Add in the strong character, respect and support of the males who get it and embrace it, we can make some serious advances.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
15. Lord have mercy! Aint' THAT the truth! And...
Sat Jun 10, 2017, 12:39 PM
Jun 2017

... what a thrill for Lauren Duca to receive such a sincere and heartfelt message from Hillary.

 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
17. But what about lesser of 2 evils?....those folks knowingly gave us trump and
Sat Jun 10, 2017, 12:41 PM
Jun 2017

A big f$ck you to the rest of us.. I hope we can survive

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
19. What a beautiful letter
Sat Jun 10, 2017, 01:03 PM
Jun 2017

from a beautiful woman to a beautiful woman. I still weep for what this country missed.

Hekate

(90,189 posts)
22. That's about the highest accolades there could be. Congratulations, Lauren Duca
Sat Jun 10, 2017, 01:50 PM
Jun 2017

To Hillary and Lauren

FakeNoose

(32,351 posts)
24. I hope somebody tweets this to Cheeto 45
Sat Jun 10, 2017, 01:59 PM
Jun 2017

He doesn't have a clue how to write a good letter.

Or a good anything for that matter.

GetRidOfThem

(869 posts)
45. I keep on saying...
Sun Jun 11, 2017, 09:37 AM
Jun 2017

... I don't get this anti-Hillary thing. I really don't. More evidence in point in that letter. And yes, she is highly, very highly qualified. What tf went wrong???

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