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Sat Jun 10, 2017, 04:14 PM

If subpoenaed by Mueller can Chump refuse to testify under oath?

I thought Clinton was forced to.

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Reply If subpoenaed by Mueller can Chump refuse to testify under oath? (Original post)
MoonRiver Jun 2017 OP
underpants Jun 2017 #1
MoonRiver Jun 2017 #3
underpants Jun 2017 #6
Yupster Jun 2017 #12
gilbert sullivan Jun 2017 #2
MoonRiver Jun 2017 #4
pbmus Jun 2017 #5
Lurks Often Jun 2017 #7
MedusaX Jun 2017 #8
marylandblue Jun 2017 #9
dmr Jun 2017 #10
dixiegrrrrl Jun 2017 #15
dmr Jun 2017 #16
dixiegrrrrl Jun 2017 #18
DeminPennswoods Jun 2017 #11
NastyRiffraff Jun 2017 #13
MoonRiver Jun 2017 #20
tritsofme Jun 2017 #14
solara Jun 2017 #17
leftstreet Jun 2017 #19

Response to MoonRiver (Original post)

Sat Jun 10, 2017, 04:17 PM

1. He can't be forced to testify. Clinton was deposed as part of a civil case

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Response to underpants (Reply #1)

Sat Jun 10, 2017, 04:19 PM

3. I thought special prosecutor Ken Starr forced him to testify.

It's been a long time, so I may have forgotten.

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Response to MoonRiver (Reply #3)

Sat Jun 10, 2017, 04:22 PM

6. sexual harassment lawsuit filed against him by Paula Jones.

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Response to MoonRiver (Reply #3)

Sat Jun 10, 2017, 07:38 PM

12. I thought it was a grand jury

where he testified under oath.

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Response to MoonRiver (Original post)

Sat Jun 10, 2017, 04:18 PM

2. I dunno but pretty sure he could invoke

 

the 5th Amendment. Which would be ironic and almost funny.

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Response to gilbert sullivan (Reply #2)

Sat Jun 10, 2017, 04:20 PM

4. Well, there's always that lol.

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Response to MoonRiver (Original post)

Sat Jun 10, 2017, 04:22 PM

5. His lawyer said he would if congress asked him ,

Then they asked and he declined because questions were tooooo broad...

http://time.com/4798913/trump-lawyer-michael-cohen-subpoena/

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Response to MoonRiver (Original post)

Sat Jun 10, 2017, 05:24 PM

7. It would end up before the Supreme Court

 

Mueller may not even be able to subpoena Trump until after Trump leaves office, ANY sitting President has a great deal of immunity for things they do as POTUS and while in office and can only be prosecuted after they leave office.

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Response to MoonRiver (Original post)

Sat Jun 10, 2017, 05:25 PM

8. Grounds for contempt charge.... which is not subject to presidential pardon.

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Response to MoonRiver (Original post)

Sat Jun 10, 2017, 07:10 PM

9. Politics will decide this

He's put himself in a politically difficult position. It's not about a subpoena, he has already publically stated he would testify, if he backs out, it is essentially admitting he is a liar. Since this is something he cannot actually admit, even to himself, he has painted himslef into a corner.

The proper answer to the reporter's question was "no comment." I am sure his lawyer told him that, but he didn't listen, and he won't listen when the question is raised again.

His own ego will force him to testify, no subpoena required.

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Response to MoonRiver (Original post)

Sat Jun 10, 2017, 07:20 PM

10. He'll testify the same day he releases his taxes.

The day after never.

He said he'd 100% testify because it was the virtuous thing to say to his base at the moment. But he has no plans to follow through because he's The Donald and how dare anyone question the very perfect him.

He'll weasel out of any subpoena.

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Response to dmr (Reply #10)

Sat Jun 10, 2017, 08:54 PM

15. Except.....he's Trump

Trump the micro-manager
Trump having to have the last word
Trump the Giant Ego who is convinced that ONLY he can explain things the right way
Trump who does not learn from past mistakes
Trump the short attention span man

He sat thru a 2 day deposition, and told 30 lies, each proven. That did not blow him away, he just smiled and moved on to the next thing.
( story here if you are interested)
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029186393

Most importantly, his lawyer will tell him to NOT testify, and Trump always does the opposite of what he is told not to do.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #15)

Sat Jun 10, 2017, 09:01 PM

16. Yes, that is very true.

Isn't that the deposition where his worth is basically what he feels it is? Or something like that?

Dammit! It nauseates me that he carries the title of POTUS. Though I will never call him by that title. Never. Ever. Him or Pence.

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Response to dmr (Reply #16)

Sat Jun 10, 2017, 11:14 PM

18. Yes, in that depo. he said his wealth depends on how he is feeling. Literally.

Wonder how you would tax that...

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Response to MoonRiver (Original post)

Sat Jun 10, 2017, 07:37 PM

11. Sure, if he invokes his 5th amendment right

not to incriminate himself.

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Response to MoonRiver (Original post)

Sat Jun 10, 2017, 07:39 PM

13. But Trump himself said he would "100%" testify!

Are you saying he LIED?

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Response to NastyRiffraff (Reply #13)

Sun Jun 11, 2017, 07:55 AM

20. Does a bear poop in the woods?

Just saying.

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Response to MoonRiver (Original post)

Sat Jun 10, 2017, 08:15 PM

14. Trump could order Mueller's firing, Saturday Night Massacre style...

There's a lot more twist left to this show...

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Response to MoonRiver (Original post)

Sat Jun 10, 2017, 10:12 PM

17. IMHO, trump wont have any trouble testifying under oath

He has done it many times before and it looks like he hasn't had much of a problem with it. If they ask him to actually read something under oath, however, it may prove more problematic for him.

trump is a pathological liar. He believes his own lies because everything he says is absolute truth - to him. It has never mattered to him whether or not others believed him because 'others' do not matter to him and never have.

He has no interest or belief in consequences because they are always in his favor. If things don't go his way, he doesn't notice because he just bends circumstances to his will and continues his delusion that he is superior and in control.

trump doesn't recognize the Rule of Law as having anything to do with him. It is possible his testimony will not go as smoothly as it has in the past because he is way out of his league. He isn't the CEO of a company being sued, nor is he suing someone. He is the President of the U.S. being investigated for felony Obstruction of Justice, money laundering and perhaps even treason. It is also possible he is dealing with the beginning stages of dementia so his disconnects will be more pronounced than usual, especially under the pressure of sworn testimony. But that probably won't matter to him.

I could definitely be wrong about the dementia thing, but he has shown some of the symptoms for sure. Like when he was in Israel, and just stood up during his conversation with Netanyahu, blinking his eyes in confusion while wandering off. His handlers had to guide him gently back. His behavior seemed pretty suspect to me.

His mind may still be sharp as a tack but he could have ADHD, along with the ever-present galloping malignant narcissism, over-weening hubris and pathological mendacity. It is now pretty clear that trump has a sociopathic lack of empathy coupled with a blindingly incurious ego as well.

So, my unsolicited and amateur diagnosis is that our POTUS is one obscene mess.

There may be a part of his still functioning brain that is quite eager to stand alone in the brightest spotlight on the best center stage ever no matter the cost. Testifying in front of Congress and before the World will be ideal for him because this could surely be his "moment". If he is caught perjuring himself, he will just do what he always does, he will keep on lying because it works.

trump's moment in the sun and his chance to set a ratings record with an audience whose numbers might even be greater than Obama's could finally grant him his deepest, most passionate desire. This might be the most tremendous win ever and for trump it could be 100% worth it.

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Response to solara (Reply #17)

Sat Jun 10, 2017, 11:19 PM

19. Spot on

"If he is caught perjuring himself, he will just do what he always does, he will keep on lying because it works."

Exactly!

"trump's moment in the sun and his chance to set a ratings record with an audience whose numbers might even be greater than Obama's could finally grant him his deepest, most passionate desire. This might be the most tremendous win ever and for trump it could be 100% worth it."

You nailed that. As sick and twisted as it sounds, he would actually see this as major, major win. You either know someone like him, or you're just darn clever!

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