BREAKING: Just reported on CNN: Trump considering firing Mueller

[berni_mccoy]

Last edited Mon Jun 12, 2017, 08:25 PM - Edit history (2)

This will break the Constitution. Trump is guilty and there will be no one left to stop him.

Update: CNN whitehouse staff reporting that WH is in chaos over this.

Second Update: Toobin is now saying it's up to Rosenstein. Question is would he do it...? I think he would based on his Congressional testimony.

Update Three: One CNN analyst suggested that Rosenstein could be forced by Mueller to recuse himself... mainly because Rosenstein was involved in firing Comey and that aspect is now part of the investigation into obstruction... interesting.

[Madam45for2923]

1. Cannot! Rosenstein would have to do it.

[BeyondGeography]

4. Massacre protocol

Rosenstein refuses. Looking for Bork. Come in, Bork.

[riversedge]

2. msnbc: says Trump considering terminating Mueller.. trailer

[elleng]

3. He 'considers' everything and anything,

if one thinks he has such capacity.

Trump and the True Meaning of Idiot
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1016187009

[still_one]

20. One thing has seemed consistent with him Ellen. When he says he will do something that

involves impropriety, he usually does it.

My bet is he is going to do a Nixon Saturday Night Massacre. He is going to ask Sessions, his AG to fire Mueller. Sessions has theoretically recused himself from the Russian investigation, so the firing decision should go to Rosenstein, the person who hired Mueller.

At that point, Sessions would have to decide whether this duty should rest on his shoulders or whether it should be up to Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein. Sessions, after all, has theoretically recused himself from the Russia investigation, and so the decision of whether to fire Mueller should go to Rosenstein. If Rosenstein refuses, then Trump will replace him with a deputy attorney general who will agree to fire Mueller.

They can try to push this through the courts, but that is a very uncertain future.

The only thing that can stop this is Congress, and I do not believe they will.

I have no doubt his attorney's are advising him to do just that, fire Mueller through the AG or Rosenstein.

[Jack from Charlotte]

47. I agree. Rump fires Mueller and no one will stop him.

Has nothing to lose.

[still_one]

48. you are right, he has nothing to lose.

[procon]

5. Someone should tell him what happened to Nixon when he pulled a similar stunt. nt

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

35. Shushhh with the damn warnings!!! I say let the Fuhrer-in-Chief screw himself!!

[OliverQ]

92. Republicans weren't treasonous criminals under Nixon.

[C_U_L8R]

6. Trump cannot survive the chaos

that would ensue. I fear there might even be coup. Not that dethroning Trump would be a bad thing... it's just a shame that it's come to this.

[Eliot Rosewater]

7. I wanted to be wrong, that our country was not over, but it is.

[PCIntern]

8. Holy Fucking Shit. nt

[MissB]

42. Truly unreal.

[cilla4progress]

9. Tweety, too

Looks stricken.

If true, it's game over. We will have to overthrow fascism here.

[KPN]

78. Can't imagine that will be easy.

[beachbum bob]

10. 2018 tidal wave....

[briv1016]

75. Not if Pence's Voter Suppression Committee has their way.

[lastlib]

93. (...with Vlad's almost certain assistance......)

Voter suppression is going to get nasty, I predict. Kobach in Kansas is energized to make it happen, and other right-wing forces are gathering to do it to preserve their power. They won't give up their ruling clout without a knock-down-drag-out bloody battle.

[The Blue Flower]

11. The fool thinks firing Mueller will end the investigation

This is still a nation of laws, and we will remember that if he pulls this Nixon stunt.

[Duppers]

61. And this congress is going to stand up to him??

Ha.

[KPN]

79. Hope you're wrong, but think you're right.

Jesus!

[AlexSFCA]

12. as predicted

trump will officially shut down russia investigation after sessions testimony (perjury) tomorrow. GOP will help to shut it down asap. They are already complaining that it needs to just go away.

We will be entering an active phase towards authoritarian regime. Only coup, dethroningmay help. I can only imagine what they will do to our election system before 2018. Hackers are free to hack now.

Supression of protests is coming too.

[d_r]

46. Brownshirts already practicing for it

[Duppers]

62. You could be exactly on target.

"Desperate times call for desperate measures."

Will the media and Intel community's leaks clean his clock? What tools are left? This congress is hopeless and our very democracy is at stake.

[AlexSFCA]

63. he already warned

about leakers and will go hard against anyone who publishes leaks without reference. And prosecution of leakers once identified, that will be the purpose of the new fbi. The new loyal fbi director will be hiring a new team and firing tons of people citing 'unprecedented corruption' and fake leaks.

The main tool we have is that trump is not gaining new supporters. He is stuck with what he had from the beginning. Tomorrow will mark a point of no return when Sessions will commit perjury. Trump is facing treason so there is no way out but to go full authoritarian.

I hope Ginsburg and (Kennedy) have 24/7 security.

[Duppers]

65. It may move faster than even they can keep up.

Let's hope.

[AlexSFCA]

66. Hope is a dangerous thing

[KPN]

80. Sure seems that way.

Do we have enough brave souls out there? That's the question in my mind ... and when I say brave, I mean brave.

[Satch59]

13. How many GOP will still back him if he does?

Let's see the shitstorm begin...and which patriot will come forward with the whole story? Wow, he really is as stupid as we think...

[Leith]

16. All of Them

We haven't seen anything from them to say otherwise. Not one will oppose him.

[CentralMass]

51. I believe you are correct.

[McCamy Taylor]

58. I'd call them spineless but that would insult invertebrates.

[KPN]

82. Bingo.

Did you see the video of his cabinet meeting today? That was by fucking design to put us all on notice.

[Matthew28]

14. This willl prove without a doubt that he is guilty.

[SDJay]

15. I Would Guess

That the IC is ready for this eventuality, and if it comes to pass the leaks of damning info on President Shitstain would be absolutely unprecedented.

I can't believe I'm saying this, but part of me is thinking, "bring it on."

[berni_mccoy]

17. I hope you are right. Leak number one should be the tax returns

[SDJay]

19. Yep. And Perhaps a Full

financial breakdown of how, and by how much, Pooty owns Dump.

It could go on and on until Dump simply can't even show himself in public.

I really do hope Dump is this stupid, and I personally believe he is.

[Duppers]

64. Remember the pee tapes.

Think our IC has those? Wouldn't that be beautiful!


Sorry, I posted above before reading the whole thread.

[AlexSFCA]

68. I am afraid even the tape won't bring him down

he broke all norms and rules and continue to do so every day setting new precedents.

[HipChick]

18. Please Proceed..

Moment....sounds like a trial ballon..

[still_one]

21. Unless the republicans in the Congress are willing to act, there is nothing to stop trump

[SDJay]

24. Agreed. But If the Leaks

became so damning and occurred on a near-daily basis, eventually even those scumbags - or at least the few that Russia doesn't also own - would have almost no choice but to step up.

[still_one]

25. I don't know if they would SD. One thing I do know if this happens, every American

should be very disturbed about this, and it is up to the American voter to stop it then in 2018

[SDJay]

28. Yep. At Least the 65%

that aren't members of the Orange Cult. I would hope we could do something sooner, though, as that's still a lot of time to unleash destruction on the entire world.

[still_one]

31. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

[LenaBaby61]

38. Totally agree with your statement below ...

"I Would Guess that the IC is ready for this eventuality, and if it comes to pass the leaks of damning info on President Shitstain would be absolutely unprecedented."

That IF Muller were fired, our IC would take it upon themselves to "save" our nation and our democracy LITERALLY from this mentally-deteriorating, treasonous, criminal.

[CentralMass]

52. Yes,

[Duppers]

67. Seconding that Yes.

YES! It's our only hope.

[AlexSFCA]

71. only IC follows orders from above

It is possible that the fbi, nsa and cia directors have executive power to destroy evidence.

[KPN]

86. Hope yopu are right. eom

[workinclasszero]

22. It's gonna happen

Hate radio is screaming for it and demanding that Trump fire the special prosecutor.

Constitutional crisis but who will stop the dictator in the White House?

No fucking republican that's for damn sure and the democrats are powerless

I fear this country will never recover from the lawless swine in the White House.

[still_one]

26. I agree. His attorney's told him to, and they are convenced that the republican congress

will support him

[D_Master81]

27. exactly why?

I'm not wasting my time in listening to find out, but why are they saying he needs to fire him? I cant see where this goes that ends well for trump if he does that.

[workinclasszero]

34. Because there is solid evidence of treason

And collusion with Russia to subvert the last presidential election would be my guess.

[AlexSFCA]

37. precisely

he is not looking at obstruction of justice charges which is simply a potential impeachment. He is looking at treason which may result in death penalty and WWIII with Russia. He has nothing to lose at this point and will stop at absolutely nothing. GOP will gladly help.

[USALiberal]

57. No way even trump tries this. Crazy talk IMO. n/t

[pbmus]

23. Levee is breaking....and the train is coming....

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[AngryAmish]

29. Well, who are we to question the President......

[Hoyt]

30. Don't believe he will do that. Even the Buffoon knows that won't accomplish anything.

[Thrill]

32. Newt is in his ear. lol

[NastyRiffraff]

44. Also Ann Coulter

That bony ghoul is urging him to trash the Constitution.

[Still In Wisconsin]

76. I'm considering alerting on your offensive post.

It is insensitive to bony ghouls.

[NastyRiffraff]

98. Sorry!

I meant no offense. Most bony ghouls are good...er...people?

[QC]

33. He will get away with it, sadly.

Beauregard Sessions certainly won't do anything about it, and the same goes for McConnell and Ryan.

Nixon left office because there were Republicans with integrity, like Howard Baker and Bob Dole.

There are no such Republicans in Congress anymore, only personality cultists and corporate shills.

[Boomerproud]

40. I wish I could disagree with you, but the Goppers have totally circled the wagons on this one

and I see no one of integrity that will stand up and say "This is wrong!". You are correct, and I'm holding my breath for the next couple of days to see if it really happens.

[CentralMass]

55. Yup, not one shred of integrity among them.

[LenaBaby61]

96. "There are no such Republicans in Congress anymore, only personality cultists and corporate shills."

And murderers too.

CBO Sees 24 Million More Uninsured, $337 Billion Deficit Cut in Coming Decade With GOP Health Plan.

Drop in number of insured would result in part because people would opt to go without coverage.

By Stephanie Armour and Kristina Peterson
Updated March 13, 2017 9:04 p.m. ET

The number of Americans without health insurance would grow by 24 million under a House Republican proposal to topple most of the Affordable Care Act, according to a nonpartisan report that is likely to complicate GOP lawmakers’ efforts to unite around the plan.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/cbo-estimates-14-million-more-uninsured-next-year-under-gop-plan-1489436927

SMDH.

[Glimmer of Hope]

36. I have so much faith in Mueller and his team. They are thorough and scary smart. Ugh.

[orangecrush]

39. There is not enough

Popcorn in the world for this shit.

I read somewhere if this happens, Dems are going to stop following the rules and put everything they know out there for the public, classified be damned.

[enid602]

41. tRump

I don't think tRump has any choice but to fire Mueller. No options. He has to resign or try a coup. It's too late for him to negotiate. He's run out of rope.

[workinclasszero]

56. Hair Twitler could fire Mueller and simultaneously

start a nuclear war with North Korea.

Why we just could not criticize Dear Leader under such circumstances huh?

[enid602]

74. Shudder

Shudder.

[DeminPennswoods]

43. Trump is kind of flailing around like a fish

caught on a hook desperately trying not to get reeled in.

On Rosenstein, he has already said he'll recuse himself if Mueller's investigation touches him either as a party to or witness to obstruction of justice.

The Intel cmtes know the dirt on Sessions.

There are a few principled Rs like Nicole Wallace, Steve Schmidt, Rick Wilson, Jennifer Rubin, the Bush family, etc. Maybe there are still a few in Congress, too.

[bluestarone]

45. if he does

all dems need to DECIDE (WHATS AMERICA WORTH TO THEM)

[Buckeyeblue]

49. 45 is backed into a corner...

Like a good rat he has to bite. He has to fire the special counsel. It will create chaos and probably allow 45 to make it to the mid-terms.

Another reason to say fuck off to the 3rd party and non-voters.

I'm so sick of this shit.

[Deb]

50. Add desperation to the Republican leader's list of fine qualities

We'll be fine

[AlexSFCA]

53. one deadly reality show

with lifelong consequences

[billh58]

54. Adam Schiff tells Trump not waste his time firing Bob Mueller

Cross-posted from Kentuck:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029194158

"If President fired Bob Mueller, Congress would immediately re-establish independent counsel and appoint Bob Mueller. Don't waste our time."

[briv1016]

83. Does anyone really believe that Rs are going to back a plan to re-establish the investigation?

Especially in a large enough numbers to over-ride a veto.

[USALiberal]

59. I do not see anyway Trump tries this. It would to to crazy, even for his dumb-ass! n/t

[Duppers]

70. Hold onto your hat because...

It's going to happen.

[AlexSFCA]

73. it's already been decided

[Still In Wisconsin]

77. I'll bet he does it.

TRUMP will fire Mueller, only because of TRUMP's massive ego. Nobody investigates/criticizes/questions TRUMP and keeps his/her job! Well, maybe if it's a she and a nice piece of ass.

*NOTE: I do not refer to women or anyone else as "pieces of ass," I am only trying to describe the way TRUMP thinks. IMHO, anyway.

[briv1016]

87. Betting that a plan is "too crazy/dumb" for Donald is a good way to lose money.

[SummerSnow]

60. Trump is going to fire Mueller before Sessions speak tomorrow.

Also Trump will fire him cause he does not have any tapes and does not want to be in front of Mueller

[writes3000]

69. No, he won't. He can't fire him. Rosenstein is the only one who can.

And I doubt Rosenstein does it since he has to show up to Congress tomorrow.

[SummerSnow]

72. He will pressure him to do it. Trump can only fire Mueller if Rosenstein agrees

[berni_mccoy]

85. That's actually not true. There is no law that says Trump can't.

It is DOJ regulation that says it and that can be modified with an executive order. Trump could directly fire Mueller by changing regulations with an executive order.

[briv1016]

88. He'll pull a Nixon and fire Rosenstein first. His replacement will fire Mueller.

[Yavin4]

81. I wonder what Paul Ryan would say if he does?

I'm looking forward to it.

[saidsimplesimon]

84. Bravo/Brava berni

Thank you for all that you do.

The link is a video of George Orwell's "1984, Ignorance is strength".

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[frankieallen]

89. This is not going to happen, he's stupid

But not that stupid

[stevenleser]

90. This is a rumor that originated with NewsMax' Chris Ruddy. I'm not sure it is accurate.

Russian may have been just musing out loud.

[napi21]

91. Good! I hope he does! That's one more move to convince a lot of people he has to be guilty

of something REALLY BIG! This whole thing has gone way past defending his National Security guy. There's no reaaswon for the Con to go to these lengths unless he's trying to hide something very bad.

It failed to work fpr Tricky Dick, and it will backfire on The Con too.

[mvd]

94. If he does this, there has got to be open revolt

The Democrats could start it by being all out of order in Congress, and people should peacefully take to the streets.

[L. Coyote]

95. This is how they control the narrative and make everyone trip over themselves endlessly.

While they steal a trillion dollar tax cut from the next generation by throwing 25 million people off health care, take all the public land, give the military a huge Christmas present of shiny new weapons, take away Medicaid and Medicare, toss out Social Security, and the list will just grow if everyone is focused on their fucking belly button and what if, maybes, and what-the-fuck-will-he-do-next irrelevancies instead of reality.

[Kentonio]

97. The dumbass will probably try something idiotic like firing Mueller

And appointing Jared to the role.