Wed Jun 14, 2017, 09:47 AM
Shell_Seas (3,145 posts)
Congress is set to debate deregulating silencers at 10 am today.
So, then you won't hear the gun shots.
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Shell_Seas | Jun 2017 | OP |
BeyondGeography | Jun 2017 | #1 | |
WhiskeyGrinder | Jun 2017 | #2 | |
Shell_Seas | Jun 2017 | #5 | |
WhiskeyGrinder | Jun 2017 | #6 | |
JTFrog | Jun 2017 | #8 | |
hack89 | Jun 2017 | #12 | |
WhiskeyGrinder | Jun 2017 | #13 | |
BeyondGeography | Jun 2017 | #21 | |
LanternWaste | Jun 2017 | #16 | |
WhiskeyGrinder | Jun 2017 | #19 | |
HAB911 | Jun 2017 | #3 | |
FlightRN | Jun 2017 | #4 | |
citood | Jun 2017 | #26 | |
hack89 | Jun 2017 | #7 | |
Shell_Seas | Jun 2017 | #10 | |
58Sunliner | Jun 2017 | #23 | |
hack89 | Jun 2017 | #24 | |
58Sunliner | Jun 2017 | #27 | |
hack89 | Jun 2017 | #28 | |
58Sunliner | Jun 2017 | #33 | |
hack89 | Jun 2017 | #34 | |
jmg257 | Jun 2017 | #9 | |
58Sunliner | Jun 2017 | #11 | |
linuxman | Jun 2017 | #22 | |
58Sunliner | Jun 2017 | #25 | |
Tanuki | Jun 2017 | #14 | |
Shell_Seas | Jun 2017 | #17 | |
SoCalNative | Jun 2017 | #15 | |
Shell_Seas | Jun 2017 | #18 | |
SoCalNative | Jun 2017 | #20 | |
Hortensis | Jun 2017 | #31 | |
JoeStuckInOH | Jun 2017 | #29 | |
workinclasszero | Jun 2017 | #30 | |
Initech | Jun 2017 | #32 |
Response to Shell_Seas (Original post)
Wed Jun 14, 2017, 09:50 AM
BeyondGeography (38,650 posts)
1. Shot through with irony
Silencerco has high hopes. Their co-founder gave Trump $100k:
http://www.sltrib.com/home/5359341-155/utah-company-had-big-hopes-for |
Response to Shell_Seas (Original post)
Wed Jun 14, 2017, 09:52 AM
WhiskeyGrinder (20,154 posts)
2. They're not silencers; you can definitely still hear the shots.
Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #2)
Wed Jun 14, 2017, 09:53 AM
Shell_Seas (3,145 posts)
5. A rose by any other name.
Response to Shell_Seas (Reply #5)
Wed Jun 14, 2017, 09:54 AM
WhiskeyGrinder (20,154 posts)
6. And the wolf howls at midnight.
Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #2)
Wed Jun 14, 2017, 09:56 AM
JTFrog (14,274 posts)
8. Did you have a point?
Their purpose remains the same.
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Response to JTFrog (Reply #8)
Wed Jun 14, 2017, 10:00 AM
hack89 (39,132 posts)
12. A silenced rifle is as loud as thunder or a jackhammer
the noise is reduced from 160 db to 130 db. Enough to reduce damage to the ear but still plenty loud.
Library whisper 30 db Emergency vehicle siren 115 db Silenced .22 rifle 116 db Thunder 120 db Silenced 9mm pistol 125 db Dish breaking 129 db Jackhammer 130 db Silenced .223 rifle 134 db Silenced 12 gauge shotgun 137 db Jet taking off 150 db Non-silenced 12 gauge shotgun 160 db Non-silenced .223 rifle 165 db https://crimefictionbook.com/2015/04/28/how-loud-is-a-silencer/ |
Response to JTFrog (Reply #8)
Wed Jun 14, 2017, 10:00 AM
WhiskeyGrinder (20,154 posts)
13. Oh, when I see "silencers," I think people get the wrong idea, that they actually "silence"
shots, like in movies. It's not like that at all. But anything that reduces harm to a shooter's hearing without being distracting or inconvenient, such as earplugs, is helpful.
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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #13)
Wed Jun 14, 2017, 10:10 AM
BeyondGeography (38,650 posts)
21. That's why they're calling it, drumroll...The Hearing Protection Act
http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-hiltzik-gun-silencers-20170110-story.html
Aka, more spin to make it easier to sell gun stuff. |
Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #2)
Wed Jun 14, 2017, 10:05 AM
LanternWaste (37,748 posts)
16. You should then attempt to convince the industry to change the name.
You should then attempt to convince the industry to change the name.
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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #16)
Wed Jun 14, 2017, 10:06 AM
WhiskeyGrinder (20,154 posts)
19. One sees suppressor/silencer about 50/50, I'd guess.
Response to Shell_Seas (Original post)
Wed Jun 14, 2017, 09:52 AM
HAB911 (8,317 posts)
3. Save the ears! Save the ears!
Response to Shell_Seas (Original post)
Wed Jun 14, 2017, 09:52 AM
FlightRN (194 posts)
4. This is crazy
and I can't even believe this is being debated in Congress. What exactly is the purpose of this, I can't think of a situation where this would be warranted or have any positives to it.
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Response to Shell_Seas (Original post)
Wed Jun 14, 2017, 09:55 AM
hack89 (39,132 posts)
7. "Silenced" guns are as loud as thunder or a jackhammer
Library whisper 30 db
Emergency vehicle siren 115 db Silenced .22 rifle 116 db Thunder 120 db Silenced 9mm pistol 125 db Dish breaking 129 db Jackhammer 130 db Silenced .223 rifle 134 db Silenced 12 gauge shotgun 137 db Jet taking off 150 db Non-silenced 12 gauge shotgun 160 db Non-silenced .223 rifle 165 db https://crimefictionbook.com/2015/04/28/how-loud-is-a-silencer/ |
Response to hack89 (Reply #7)
Wed Jun 14, 2017, 09:57 AM
Shell_Seas (3,145 posts)
10. Interesting. Thanks.
Response to hack89 (Reply #7)
Wed Jun 14, 2017, 10:16 AM
58Sunliner (4,050 posts)
23. Those are mostly rifles and shotguns. Most people will not be silencing long-arms.
And how close are these readings? A lot of people say a suppressed handgun sounds like a pneumatic stapler, or nail gun. And the other issue is the silencer itself. How good is it? And where are you shooting? Some things absorb sound, some amplify, etc..
You have a breaking dish and a jackhammer at the same db. Does that seem likely? If distances are even? |
Response to 58Sunliner (Reply #23)
Wed Jun 14, 2017, 10:22 AM
hack89 (39,132 posts)
24. The point is that the movies lie
there are truly silenced weapons but they are very specialized and not commercially available. A large factor in gun noise is the speed of the bullet - subsonic ammunition is required to make a gun silent.
Suppressors are sold over the counter in Europe - they are viewed as necessary to reduce noise pollution and hearing loss. btw - my list shows a silenced 9mm at 125db |
Response to hack89 (Reply #24)
Wed Jun 14, 2017, 10:56 AM
58Sunliner (4,050 posts)
27. They are also expensive.
Suppressors are sold over the counter in Europe - they are viewed as necessary to reduce noise pollution and hearing loss.
And yet they don't have the issues we have. But how many people own guns there or, how many? |
Response to 58Sunliner (Reply #27)
Wed Jun 14, 2017, 10:58 AM
hack89 (39,132 posts)
28. Suppressors are not a threat to public safety. My only point nt
Response to hack89 (Reply #28)
Wed Jun 14, 2017, 12:43 PM
58Sunliner (4,050 posts)
33. Well, not in Europe apparently. America could be different.
Response to 58Sunliner (Reply #33)
Wed Jun 14, 2017, 12:46 PM
hack89 (39,132 posts)
34. In what way?
No impact on 60% of gun deaths which are suicides. Make guns harder to conceal. Don't sufficiently silence guns to make shootings undetectable.
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Response to Shell_Seas (Original post)
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Response to Shell_Seas (Original post)
Wed Jun 14, 2017, 09:59 AM
58Sunliner (4,050 posts)
11. Paid for by gun manufacturers. Gun sales are down, must push accessories.
Gang bangers, gun humpers and terrorists will thank them.
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Response to 58Sunliner (Reply #11)
Wed Jun 14, 2017, 10:14 AM
linuxman (2,337 posts)
22. Doubtful.
VERY few gun manufacturers also make suppressors. Most suppressor companies just make the one product.
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Response to linuxman (Reply #22)
Wed Jun 14, 2017, 10:30 AM
58Sunliner (4,050 posts)
25. Yes, Sig Sauer does. It is true most are not gun manufactures.
But that may change, as demand increases, prices drop etc..
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Response to Shell_Seas (Original post)
Wed Jun 14, 2017, 10:01 AM
Tanuki (14,469 posts)
14. Dolt Junior has been active in lobbying for this deregulation
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-jr-son-gun-silencer-control-laws-restrictions-campaign-remove-mass-shootings-fears-a7767586.html
..."The measure has received high-profile backing from the Presidents eldest son, Donald Trump Jr, who paid a visit to a manufacturer of suppressors in Utah, SilencerCo, where he tested its products. The company subsequently posted a 38-minute of Mr Trump Jr, shooting and talking to the companys CEO, Joshua Waldron. Mr Trump Jr, and his brother, Eric, are currently trustees of the Trump Organisation and oversee the President's financial assets. I love your product, says Mr Trump Jr, a keen hunter, who led an advisory for his father on the US Second Amendment, the part of the constitution which gun rights advocates claim gives them the right to bear arms. Its just a great instrument. Theres nothing bad about it at all. It makes total sense. Its where we should be going. The NRA strongly backed the campaign of Mr Trump, and its endorsement of him in March 2016 was the earliest moment in a presidential cycle that the group had offered such support.".... |
Response to Tanuki (Reply #14)
Wed Jun 14, 2017, 10:05 AM
Shell_Seas (3,145 posts)
17. This is confusing for me
Since D JR and Eric are supposed to be running his companies and hands off from co-mingling from government type stuff...
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Response to Shell_Seas (Original post)
Wed Jun 14, 2017, 10:03 AM
SoCalNative (4,613 posts)
15. Hearing cancelled
https://naturalresources.house.gov/calendar/eventsingle.aspx?EventID=402112
also, per CNN, all House votes have been cancelled for the day as well. |
Response to SoCalNative (Reply #15)
Wed Jun 14, 2017, 10:06 AM
Shell_Seas (3,145 posts)
18. I'm betting postponed, not cancelled.
Response to Shell_Seas (Reply #18)
Wed Jun 14, 2017, 10:09 AM
SoCalNative (4,613 posts)
20. Well, per the headline at the link
***Cancelled Until Further Notice: Legislative Hearing on Discussion Draft of "Sportsmen Heritage and Recreational Enhancement Act" or "SHARE Act"***
so, cancelled for today and until they decide to reschedule |
Response to Shell_Seas (Reply #18)
Wed Jun 14, 2017, 11:46 AM
Hortensis (56,927 posts)
31. Of course they canceled, to be rescheduled.
I think that's different somehow, maybe...?
First thing I did on seeing this thread was to go see if they did. Quelle surprise! |
Response to Shell_Seas (Original post)
Wed Jun 14, 2017, 11:15 AM
JoeStuckInOH (544 posts)
29. Ironic... Going to be a hearing about silencers today, and then a congressman was shot.
And now they wont be hearing anything.
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Response to Shell_Seas (Original post)
Wed Jun 14, 2017, 11:17 AM
workinclasszero (28,270 posts)
30. Oh the irony!
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Response to Shell_Seas (Original post)
Wed Jun 14, 2017, 11:50 AM
Initech (97,360 posts)
32. Except they won't call it that, they will call it "hearing protection".
It's how the right gets away with most of the shit they do - change the wording of the bills being proposed.
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