Congress is set to debate deregulating silencers at 10 am today.

[Shell_Seas]

So, then you won't hear the gun shots.

[BeyondGeography]

1. Shot through with irony

Silencerco has high hopes. Their co-founder gave Trump $100k:

http://www.sltrib.com/home/5359341-155/utah-company-had-big-hopes-for

[WhiskeyGrinder]

2. They're not silencers; you can definitely still hear the shots.

[Shell_Seas]

5. A rose by any other name.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

6. And the wolf howls at midnight.

[JTFrog]

8. Did you have a point?

Their purpose remains the same.

[hack89]

12. A silenced rifle is as loud as thunder or a jackhammer

the noise is reduced from 160 db to 130 db. Enough to reduce damage to the ear but still plenty loud.

Library whisper – 30 db
Emergency vehicle siren – 115 db
Silenced .22 rifle – 116 db
Thunder – 120 db
Silenced 9mm pistol – 125 db
Dish breaking – 129 db
Jackhammer – 130 db
Silenced .223 rifle – 134 db
Silenced 12 gauge shotgun – 137 db
Jet taking off – 150 db
Non-silenced 12 gauge shotgun – 160 db
Non-silenced .223 rifle – 165 db

https://crimefictionbook.com/2015/04/28/how-loud-is-a-silencer/

[WhiskeyGrinder]

13. Oh, when I see "silencers," I think people get the wrong idea, that they actually "silence"

shots, like in movies. It's not like that at all. But anything that reduces harm to a shooter's hearing without being distracting or inconvenient, such as earplugs, is helpful.

[BeyondGeography]

21. That's why they're calling it, drumroll...The Hearing Protection Act

http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-hiltzik-gun-silencers-20170110-story.html

Aka, more spin to make it easier to sell gun stuff.

[LanternWaste]

16. You should then attempt to convince the industry to change the name.

You should then attempt to convince the industry to change the name.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

19. One sees suppressor/silencer about 50/50, I'd guess.

[HAB911]

3. Save the ears! Save the ears!

[FlightRN]

4. This is crazy

and I can't even believe this is being debated in Congress. What exactly is the purpose of this, I can't think of a situation where this would be warranted or have any positives to it.

[citood]

26. Saves the ears

[hack89]

7. "Silenced" guns are as loud as thunder or a jackhammer

Library whisper – 30 db
Emergency vehicle siren – 115 db
Silenced .22 rifle – 116 db
Thunder – 120 db
Silenced 9mm pistol – 125 db
Dish breaking – 129 db
Jackhammer – 130 db
Silenced .223 rifle – 134 db
Silenced 12 gauge shotgun – 137 db
Jet taking off – 150 db
Non-silenced 12 gauge shotgun – 160 db
Non-silenced .223 rifle – 165 db

https://crimefictionbook.com/2015/04/28/how-loud-is-a-silencer/

[Shell_Seas]

10. Interesting. Thanks.

[58Sunliner]

23. Those are mostly rifles and shotguns. Most people will not be silencing long-arms.

And how close are these readings? A lot of people say a suppressed handgun sounds like a pneumatic stapler, or nail gun. And the other issue is the silencer itself. How good is it? And where are you shooting? Some things absorb sound, some amplify, etc..
You have a breaking dish and a jackhammer at the same db. Does that seem likely? If distances are even?

[hack89]

24. The point is that the movies lie

there are truly silenced weapons but they are very specialized and not commercially available. A large factor in gun noise is the speed of the bullet - subsonic ammunition is required to make a gun silent.

Suppressors are sold over the counter in Europe - they are viewed as necessary to reduce noise pollution and hearing loss.

btw - my list shows a silenced 9mm at 125db

[58Sunliner]

27. They are also expensive.

Suppressors are sold over the counter in Europe - they are viewed as necessary to reduce noise pollution and hearing loss.
And yet they don't have the issues we have.
But how many people own guns there or, how many?

[hack89]

28. Suppressors are not a threat to public safety. My only point nt

[58Sunliner]

33. Well, not in Europe apparently. America could be different.

[hack89]

34. In what way?

No impact on 60% of gun deaths which are suicides. Make guns harder to conceal. Don't sufficiently silence guns to make shootings undetectable.

[58Sunliner]

11. Paid for by gun manufacturers. Gun sales are down, must push accessories.

Gang bangers, gun humpers and terrorists will thank them.

[linuxman]

22. Doubtful.

VERY few gun manufacturers also make suppressors. Most suppressor companies just make the one product.

[58Sunliner]

25. Yes, Sig Sauer does. It is true most are not gun manufactures.

But that may change, as demand increases, prices drop etc..

[Tanuki]

14. Dolt Junior has been active in lobbying for this deregulation

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-jr-son-gun-silencer-control-laws-restrictions-campaign-remove-mass-shootings-fears-a7767586.html
..."The measure has received high-profile backing from the President’s eldest son, Donald Trump Jr, who paid a visit to a manufacturer of suppressors in Utah, SilencerCo, where he tested its products. The company subsequently posted a 38-minute of Mr Trump Jr, shooting and talking to the company’s CEO, Joshua Waldron. Mr Trump Jr, and his brother, Eric, are currently trustees of the Trump Organisation and oversee the President's financial assets.
“I love your product,” says Mr Trump Jr, a keen hunter, who led an advisory for his father on the US Second Amendment, the part of the constitution which gun rights advocates claim gives them the right to bear arms.

“It’s just a great instrument. There’s nothing bad about it at all. It makes total sense. It’s where we should be going.”

The NRA strongly backed the campaign of Mr Trump, and its endorsement of him in March 2016 was the earliest moment in a presidential cycle that the group had offered such support."....

[Shell_Seas]

17. This is confusing for me

Since D JR and Eric are supposed to be running his companies and hands off from co-mingling from government type stuff...

[SoCalNative]

15. Hearing cancelled

https://naturalresources.house.gov/calendar/eventsingle.aspx?EventID=402112

also, per CNN, all House votes have been cancelled for the day as well.

[Shell_Seas]

18. I'm betting postponed, not cancelled.

[SoCalNative]

20. Well, per the headline at the link

***Cancelled Until Further Notice: Legislative Hearing on Discussion Draft of "Sportsmen Heritage and Recreational Enhancement Act" or "SHARE Act"***

so, cancelled for today and until they decide to reschedule

[Hortensis]

31. Of course they canceled, to be rescheduled.

I think that's different somehow, maybe...?

First thing I did on seeing this thread was to go see if they did. Quelle surprise!

[JoeStuckInOH]

29. Ironic... Going to be a hearing about silencers today, and then a congressman was shot.

And now they wont be hearing anything.

[workinclasszero]

30. Oh the irony!

[Initech]

32. Except they won't call it that, they will call it "hearing protection".

It's how the right gets away with most of the shit they do - change the wording of the bills being proposed.