The guy who shot Scalise was a Bernie-or-Buster, voted for Jill Stein

[geek tragedy]

Facebook profile is full of anti-Trump stuff, some pretty harsh anti-DNC and anti-Hillary stuff too.

https://m.facebook.com/jthodgkinson

https://www.facebook.com/james.hodgkinson.568


https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/2017/live-updates/public-safety/updates-shooting-at-congressional-baseball-practice-in-virginia/shooter-named-as-james-t-hodgkinson/

[cwydro]

1. Ha.

No comment.

[KPN]

88. Ha?

[cwydro]

98. A one syllable word.

Can be used in any number of contexts.

You confused?

[KPN]

122. Yes, ha.

[leftstreet]

2. He's been identified?

edit - oh hahaha!

[geek tragedy]

3. Yes.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/2017/live-updates/public-safety/updates-shooting-at-congressional-baseball-practice-in-virginia/shooter-named-as-james-t-hodgkinson/

[OKNancy]

4. in case it's deleted

[Foamfollower]

9. So this guy traveled from Illinois to Virginia to shoot up Congresscritters?

You do realize there are likely several hundred James Hodgkinsons in this country, right?

[geek tragedy]

14. From the article:

The shooter at the GOP congressional baseball practice this morning is James T. Hodgkinson of Belleville, Ill., according to law enforcement officials. Hodgkinson, 66, owns a home inspection business. His home inspection license expired in November 2016 and was not renewed, state records show.

Hodgkinson was charged in April 2006 with battery and aiding damage to a motor vehicle, according to online records in St. Clair County, Illinois. The charges were dismissed, records show.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/2017/live-updates/public-safety/updates-shooting-at-congressional-baseball-practice-in-virginia/shooter-named-as-james-t-hodgkinson/?utm_term=.50cafea2016f

How many James T. Hodgkinsons, who own home inspection businesses, who are short, chubby white haired white guys, are living in Belleville, IL?

[Egnever]

97. Well he taught me a new word

Never heard of misprision before.

[adigal]

121. Oh, my God!! I supporter Bernie, too!!!! This is all my fault

Not.
Ridiculous.

[Foamfollower]

5. So you know for a FACT this is the James T. Hodgkinson who did the shooting?

How do you know that?

Shooting was in Arlington, VA, your guy lives in Illinois.

I believe your post violates the TOS here.

[geek tragedy]

7. Shooter identified as James T Hodgkinson of Belleville, Illinois. Used to own a home inspection biz

Short, balding chubby white male.

The shooter at the GOP congressional baseball practice this morning is James T. Hodgkinson of Belleville, Ill., according to law enforcement officials. Hodgkinson, 66, owns a home inspection business. His home inspection license expired in November 2016 and was not renewed, state records show.

Hodgkinson was charged in April 2006 with battery and aiding damage to a motor vehicle, according to online records in St. Clair County, Illinois. The charges were dismissed, records show.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/2017/live-updates/public-safety/updates-shooting-at-congressional-baseball-practice-in-virginia/shooter-named-as-james-t-hodgkinson/?utm_term=.50cafea2016f

Check out the Facebook page--it's of a guy named James T Hodgkinson, who's a short balding chubby white male, who used to own a home inspection biz. From Belleville, Illinois.

[Foamfollower]

16. I stand corrected.

My apologies.

[geek tragedy]

19. we're cool,peace nt

[Ace Rothstein]

8. They said he is from Illinois.

[PunkinPi]

10. People do travel...

<snip> The shooter at the GOP congressional baseball practice this morning is James T. Hodgkinson of Belleville, Ill., according to law enforcement officials. Hodgkinson, 66, owns a home inspection business. His home inspection license expired in November 2016 and was not renewed, state records show. </snip>

Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/2017/live-updates/public-safety/updates-shooting-at-congressional-baseball-practice-in-virginia/shooter-named-as-james-t-hodgkinson/?utm_term=.43d4d012cf80

[Foamfollower]

23. I apologized to the OP above.

And this one asshole with a gun has just guaranteed the GOP will forever hold power, and Trump is guaranteed a second term now.

All of that momentum blown away by one asshole Bernie supporter with a gun.

[PunkinPi]

32. I see that and appreciate your apology to the other poster...

and I do hope you are wrong about guaranteeing anything for the GOP.

[Foamfollower]

33. The media has already lached onto the narrative

Don't expect to hear anything else about Russia, likely ever again.

One BoBer with a gun and it's over.

[JHB]

94. No it isn't over...

Yes, they're going to howl about it up the wazoo. It's still one unhinged guy.

There's a bigger unhinged guy who will be on the news every single day, attacking people every day.

[ADX]

63. Stop with the doom and gloom, take a deep breath and relax...

...it's not the end of the world. Just because some nutjob shot and wounded a few people doesn't mean Chump's myriad issues are all going to be forgotten about and disappear, never to be mentioned again. Did the assassination attempt against Gabby Giffords stop the right from continuing their attacks against President Obama? Of course it didn't and this incident shouldn't stop us from pressing on against Chump.

Sometimes we're our own worst enemies.

[LanternWaste]

11. I saw no allegation of fact in OP, merely supposition based on observation.

I saw no allegation of fact in OP, merely supposition based on observation.

What specific term of service do you believe the OP violate?

[Foamfollower]

13. I saw a statement of FACT in the OP.

Accusing somebody of being a shooter without 100% confirmation is outting somebody's private infromation.

Remember the kids who were blamed for the Boston bombing because they were brown?

[geek tragedy]

17. How many white-haired, chubby balding men named James T. Hodgkinson who owned

home inspection businesses do you suppose live in Belleville, Illinois?

[LanternWaste]

18. You observed inaccurately, then.

You observed inaccurately, then.

[RandySF]

12. Many people have cars to drive.

The shooter at the GOP congressional baseball practice this morning is James T. Hodgkinson of Belleville, Ill., according to law enforcement officials. Hodgkinson, 66, owns a home inspection business. His home inspection license expired in November 2016 and was not renewed, state records show.

Hodgkinson was charged in April 2006 with battery and aiding damage to a motor vehicle, according to online records in St. Clair County, Illinois. The charges were dismissed, records show.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/2017/live-updates/public-safety/updates-shooting-at-congressional-baseball-practice-in-virginia/shooter-named-as-james-t-hodgkinson/?utm_term=.22c6864e0698

[musicblind]

15. Unfortunately it is true.

Washington Post confirmed the town he lives in, the name, and that he was a strong Bernie "supporter." I use quotes because, obviously, he knows nothing of Sanders or what he stands for.

[Pachamama]

6. His facebook page is almost entirely a Bernie Sanders memorial. Sadly the Deplorables are already

...posting ugly messages on his Facebook page...

[Shell_Seas]

24. It's up to the thousands now.

They are an ugly bunch, aren't they?

Blaming Dems...

Like right wing extremists haven't committed a mass amount of mass shootings in this country.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

20. SMH

[Tom Rinaldo]

21. I have no more affinity with the shooter than I did with the Unibomber, or the man who shot Gabby

or with Hinckley or with the murderer of the church study group in Charlestown. The use of "Ha" in posts above is, let's say, disappointing.

[geek tragedy]

25. agreed. There's nothing amusing, or funny, or worth celebrating in this. nt

[TDale313]

102. Completely agree.

Violence like this is horrific no matter who the shooter is or what their agenda. Millions supported and still admire Bernie who are completely disgusted by this.

[JI7]

22. i always found those types to be kind of unstable

And conspiracy theory types.

These were not normal candidate supporters.

And republicans including trump were appealing to these types throwing out how Hillary and Debbie treated them unfairly and getting them riled up.

[bettyellen]

76. Yes, those that ginned up hatred own this. There was plenty to go around last year. Stoking outrage

Was the wrong way to go. The Dem tent never was and should never be big enough to include haters like him.

[bettyellen]

77. Yes, those that ginned up hatred own this. There was plenty to go around last year. Stoking outrage

Was the wrong way to go. The Dem tent never was and should never be big enough to include haters like him.

[KPN]

87. These types?

Not sure I follow what you are saying. Can you clarify to avoid generalized assumptions?

[JI7]

89. "bernie or bust" specifically as opposed to most who

Supported him as they would any candidate.

[KPN]

92. So you think every Bernie or Bust

person is mentally unstable? That's a pretty broad brush you've got there -- and off-base.

[JI7]

93. maybe not on the level of that guy but most were conspiracy types

[joshcryer]

96. Yes, have had my run in with these types in the past.

They're unhinged personalities ready to blow at any minute.

[Else You Are Mad]

26. Well, this is not good.

People on the left can be just as dsngerous and mentally unstable as those in the right. Obviously, this terrorist is not representative of Bernie supporters or anyone on the left. But, I doubt that the media or the conservatives will make that distinction.

[geek tragedy]

27. Violence is still as American as apple pie, and the left is just as American as the right nt

[Foamfollower]

29. It's worse than "not good".

One BoBer with a gun may have just done what the entire GOP couldn't do since the inauguration, turn the momentum around.

Now this bullshit will play 24X7.

Russia is now off the table.

This fucker did more to insure Donald Trump wins a second term than anybody else could have.

[snooper2]

39. Probably not LOL

In two weeks nobody will be talking about it. Shit, football season starts in a month and a half LOL

[Foamfollower]

41. The momentum was all going aginst the GOP.

This stops that momentum.

[snooper2]

43. negative

[Persisted]

78. Wow.....I just read that on another site.

Similar language.

[Tarheel_Dem]

118. Sounds like wishful thinking you got there. n/t

[KPN]

90. Pshaw. Let's not go

over board here.

[taught_me_patience]

28. I wonder what his jackpine handle is n/t

[BainsBane]

31. Snap.

[Foamfollower]

37. I wonder if JPR is scrambling right now?

I know FR had to several times after shootings.

[Gothmog]

130. I am also wondering this

[Dawson Leery]

30. The far right and far left are but mirror images of each other.

[lunamagica]

101. I completely agree with this

[Dawson Leery]

123. Cornell West (far left) and his fellow theologian Robert George (far right)

are the best of friends. Both hate Hillary. Both are skeptics of liberal democracy.

Enough said.

[maryellen99]

34. The media won't report this though

The guy was a disatisfied Republican who left the party. There is a link there on his FB for "The GOP left me".

[Tom Rinaldo]

40. Good catch. Of course it shouldn't matter how he self defines now or previously

Unstable people exist in every camp. Sadly though it will probably be necessary for some reporters like Rachel and Lawrence to point this out.

[Heartstrings]

103. And they will.......

[DemocratSinceBirth]

35. It brings negative and unnecessary attention to the left.

Hodgkinson should have immolated himself if he wanted attention.

[NCTraveler]

36. Clinton wanted to expand access to mental health facilities.

Stupid f'ing piece of shit.

[geek tragedy]

38. this guy was a political fanatic, but that doesn't make him mentally ill nt

[brush]

42. The shooting of those people does though.

[geek tragedy]

45. it makes him a fanatic and a terrorist, but those arent' categories of mental illness. nt

[brush]

106. I do not agree. Mentally stable people don't go out and shoot people. Something must have pushed ...

him over the edge.

[geek tragedy]

107. not every mentally unstable person has a mental illness nt

[brush]

108. O-k-a-a-a-a-y. That sounds like an oxymoron...does not compute.

[geek tragedy]

109. there's no generic 'mental illness'--there are identifiable and diagnosable

mental illnesses

[brush]

111. Ok, but you seem to be saying mass shooter/killers are not mentally unstable.

I have to say, that doesn't make much sense IMO.

Sandy Hook and Pulse come immediately to mind. You're saying those two killers weren't mentally ill?

[geek tragedy]

114. Adam Lanza had been diagnosed.

mental illness diagnoses--just like physical health diagnoses--are meaningful only if they come from trained professionals who have had a chance to examine the subject.

[brush]

126. Oh I get it now, we have to wait until a trained professional proclaims that a nutjob mass killer...

is mentally ill.

No thanks, we can state the obvious too.

[NCTraveler]

64. Mentally stable individuals often go out shooting people.

That level of fanaticism is absolutely an illness.

[geek tragedy]

66. happens all the time in wars and revolutions, if people believe the fate

of their tribe, or their nation, requires violence then they commit violence

[NCTraveler]

69. No doubt.

And those things are missing here. You have simply highlighted his illness.

[geek tragedy]

74. when we hear words like "revolution" and "resistance" and apocalyptical references

to our (speaking in the sense of Americans, not the left or Democratic party) political opponents as enemies or traitors representing the end of democracy/humanity/our country as we know it, quite frankly it's surprising this doesn't happen more often.

[NCTraveler]

80. Yes. People do throw out terms like you mentioned.

Stable individuals are able to rationalize the verbiage. It doesn't happen often because none of them apply. I would leave "resistance" out because it is a pretty benign term being used today.

[pirateshipdude]

44. A fine distinction, but a lot of Sanders supporters are not Democrats. Sanders is not a Democrat.

I read a poster said there was a lot of anti-Clinton with the anti-Republican. But that will not be pointed out. Because of the aggressiveness we saw with Sanders supporters during the primary, the Democrats are going to once again have to live with it as our own, when it is not.

[BainsBane]

46. That anti-Democratic sentiment

Is clear on his FB page, linked in the OP.

[pirateshipdude]

50. Sure. But when has the media ever played truthfully. Eom

[geek tragedy]

49. he was an extremist (and obviously became more extreme)

Democrats don't need to own this just as Republicans didn't need to own the guy who shot Gabby Giffords.

My refrain for the day is: "Violence is still as American as apple pie, and the left is just as American as the right."

[pirateshipdude]

51. That is an interesting quote. I like it. But not really factually true. eom

[geek tragedy]

57. what part is untrue? nt

[pirateshipdude]

60. It goes along the same manner as, both sides.

That is not the facts, or the facts do not bare that out. On rare occasions you have violence on the left. Very rare occasions. We had more during the primary with Sanders supporters than ever before. Not the norm behavior for Democrats. But then, a lot of those supporting Sanders were not Democrats. But mostly, the left does not behave this way.

So to suggest that it is both the left and the right in violence, is not correct. Hands down, violence over and over by the right is given to this nation in all kinds of forms.

We lose the edge now, and it is both parties. To me, that is a large problem because one of the main issue especially of late, is the violence promoted by, and followed thru by Republicans.

[WinstonSmith00]

47. true Bernie backer believe in nonviolence

They are anti-war and anti-violence and pro-peace.

You reap the violence you sow in the world. If wr we truly want peace than we must live peacefully. Republicans preach that violence can solve problems. That killing people is necessary for peace. Only an anti-violence movement is going to save our world. If the leaders of our world cant solve problems without violence than the people never will.

[Foamfollower]

48. Second Facebook page.

Second page, same asshole BernieBro:

https://www.facebook.com/james.hodgkinson.568

[geek tragedy]

52. Voted for Jill Stein nt

[geek tragedy]

56. Added the link, but I am refraining from labeling this guy as a Bernie supporter

as I don't want to tarnish all of the wonderful people who supported Bernie and then busted their asses to keep Trump out of office with this guy's criminality.

To me, the "Bernie or Busters" were never true Bernie supporters.

[lostnfound]

120. Thank you. You have more class than some of the newcomers. Nt

[lunasun]

67. So he is not a democratic party voter. hopefully end of message in the media to that!

From ex repub >> Stein voter

[cwydro]

85. Ha. Again.

And nothing funny about it.

[Demsrule86]

70. The shooter was a Bob'er and supported Stein..was on his facebook

https://www.facebook.com/james.hodgkinson.568

[lunamagica]

104. So much stupidity

[Demsrule86]

117. I agree.

[MFM008]

53. He probably

Would have shot whomever was on the field.
A loon is a loon.

[Demsrule86]

55. Can I just say I hate fucking Jill Stein...and this guy is not a Democrat.

Keep reminding folks of this fact.

[Tom Rinaldo]

59. He is one human being in a nation of over 300 million. This isn't whose side are you on.

Are you suggesting that even Jill Stein, who you say you hate, advocates for political assassinations? Greens may be a lot of things but murderers is not one of the ones that leap to MY mind.

Can you guarantee that no registered Democrat might go off the deep end next, or the time after that? Can you vouch for all of them personally?

THIS ISN'T ABOUT PARTY AFFILIATION

[Demsrule86]

71. No of course not...but we will be tarred with this guy's shit and he did not support

Democrats. However...there are some Greens (Sarandon ET AL and other Greens) who call for a revolution...this is what a revolution can look like.

[Tom Rinaldo]

79. Yes. They will try to tar all anti-Trumpers.

Today Democrats don't even represent a plurality of voters, Independents do, but the Republican Right will come after Democrats, true.

Those who hold out hope that societal destabilization would logically lead to a new progressive dawn are mistaken - but even they virtually without exception think it could be virtually bloodless if "the people rise up and just say no". I think they are wrong, I oppose them in arguments both online and off, but even they weren't calling for this.

[Demsrule86]

84. We agree...very few revolutions are bloodless which is why I believe we work within the system and

I know you do too...listen the guy was a Bob'er but he could have been anyone who was radicalized in some way. I just don't want to see our side tarred with this.

[Tom Rinaldo]

86. Peace. Yes, on that and this we agree n/t

[Demsrule86]

91. We like all Democrats agree more than we disagree. I know this is not Sen. Sanders, the Democrats

and yes even the Greens fault.

[TNLib]

61. I checked out his face book page no postings about family or friends or anything other than politics

He seemed obsessed He's probably mentally ill IMHO.

[geek tragedy]

62. one can be a nutjob without having a mental illness nt

[TNLib]

65. It looks to me the act was politically motivated but at the same time his face book page looks nuts

and seems like someone who needed help.

[geek tragedy]

68. as I said, he was a nutter, but that doesn't mean he had a treatable

or diagnosable illness.

[Demsrule86]

72. I think he looks like a partisan who became increasingly radicalized.

[lunasun]

73. +1 Agree

[bettyellen]

82. He's got that white man who doesn't deal with job or family loss down- aren't they the most common

Type of spree shooter? Job loss or divorce. Ugh.

[WePurrsevere]

95. Although I found one pic of what...

May be a young granddaughter on his one page, it may have been by mistake. It could be that the comments and pics of his friends and family are kept private by using FBs privacy controls.

For instance, if you go to my Facebook page you will only see the pictures, jokes, etc that I want the public to see which is pretty much nothing. If you're a friend I can comfortably share politics with you're in a category that I use to share politics to just those friends/family I choose to and those I don't choose won't see it.

I'm not saying he did that too but it's a likely possibility.

[retrowire]

75. I am pretty angry about this right now. Nt

[geek tragedy]

81. anger is an appropriate response to this.

it's an appalling situation.

[retrowire]

83. Check this

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=9202588

[Tarc]

99. The running narrative should be "a Jill Stein supporter", then, not Bernie

Tie this loon to the actual nutjob fringes fringes, he had nothing really to do with Bernie or the Dems.

[oasis]

105. That won't fly. Bernie said the guy volunteered on his campaign.

[Jim Lane]

112. No, the running narrative should be that all this stuff is totally irrelevant.

Bernie Sanders had something like two million donors and thirteen million voters. Even Jill Stein had more than a million voters. If one of all those millions of people does something, be it gunning down innocents or posting Holocaust denial or anything, does it reflect in any way on the candidate? No, it does NOT.

There's an analogy on the other side of the spectrum to the murder of George Tiller. It was reasonable to point out that a nationally televised commentator (Bill O'Reilly) had repeatedly referred to him as "Tiller the Baby Killer". Whether that kind of characterization helped create the climate that produced the murder is an appropriate question. Absent that kind of tie to a specific person, however, the murder didn't automatically discredit the entire anti-abortion movement. Similarly, the 9/11 attacks by 19 Muslims didn't discredit an entire religion. Some anti-abortion activists and some Muslims have acted so as to encourage violence. Has Bernie Sanders or Jill Stein done anything comparable? Not that I'm aware of.

[melman]

115. But that wouldn't serve the OP's agenda

Very predictable thread especially considering the source. I was wondering who'd put up the first 'Bernie Bros' thread on this, not surprised to see who it was.

[jmg257]

116. Yes - because that will work...

?quality=65&strip=all&w=780&strip=all

?quality=65&strip=all&w=780&strip=all

[Tarc]

124. It matters what he did later on

A Bernie-or-Buster to the end.

[JHB]

100. Looks like FB took down the pages

[Blue_Tires]

110. So in other words, a nutbar

[Scurrilous]

113. Yep.

[Cha]

119. Joy Reid Tweet Agrees.. "hated Hillary".. :(

Link to tweet

[panader0]

125. So Bernie or Bust guy votes for Stein?

I guess I don't understand. If you are BoB, don't you vote for Bernie?
Hate is everywhere, even here.

[JI7]

127. it pretty much meant don't vote for Hillary

[lunamagica]

128. He voted for Stein in the GE. He was a Sanders supporter in the primaries.

[nikibatts]

129. He definitely had a problem with some women. He is said to have hated Hillary also.

Those who voted against reasonable gun laws need to re-think their positions.