Wed Jun 14, 2017, 11:20 AM

MGKrebs (8,130 posts)

I hate this place at times like this.

Is it really so hard to just be critical of the act and supportive of the victims?
What is the purpose of making it partisan, or saying it's OK because "they" did it first?
Does it really make you feel better to be that tribal? Aren't we trying to make things better?

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I hate this place at times like this. (Original post)	MGKrebs	Jun 2017	OP
it's partisan because if we don't make it partisan they will	gopiscrap	Jun 2017	#1
It's also partisan because these people have enabled violence for too long	BannonsLiver	Jun 2017	#6
exactly	gopiscrap	Jun 2017	#9
I'm gonna get blasted for this post...but	LOL Lib	Jun 2017	#18
What happens if shoe were reversed is not the point!	MGKrebs	Jun 2017	#23
But it is the point	atreides1	Jun 2017	#55
Well then what is different about us?	MGKrebs	Jun 2017	#59
"WE" don't get violent	Bettie	Jun 2017	#96
Nobody is trying to do it "your way."	Dorian Gray	Jun 2017	#99
I understand your argument completely.	LOL Lib	Jun 2017	#57
There is one political party that wants unfettered gun ownership, even for the	WinkyDink	Jun 2017	#70
I was really impressed with Wonder Woman with the point that it's not about what they	Amaryllis	Jun 2017	#87
+1	AtheistCrusader	Jun 2017	#89
I am with you MGKrebs	Saboburns	Jun 2017	#104
What I want for Republicans is political defeat and utter humiliation,	klook	Jun 2017	#40
I am of the same thought here. And after reading the responses of some of these people	airmid	Jun 2017	#105
Damn right. n/t	Brainstormy	Jun 2017	#67
Hate to say it, but I pretty much feel the same way..	whathehell	Jun 2017	#81
And back when Reagan was shot	Dorian Gray	Jun 2017	#100
True..	whathehell	Jun 2017	#103
Yeah...	Dorian Gray	Jun 2017	#108
Sandy Hook.....says it all.	SammyWinstonJack	Jun 2017	#93
So what if they do?	MGKrebs	Jun 2017	#20
This is why the Cold War dragged on for most of my life.	AtheistCrusader	Jun 2017	#88
So...	Dorian Gray	Jun 2017	#98
I agree	OKNancy	Jun 2017	#2
Not always--it mainly started with Gingrich in the 1980's who told Republicans never to describe the	Akamai	Jun 2017	#35
Post removed	Post removed	Jun 2017	#82
There is such hatred these days...	Else You Are Mad	Jun 2017	#3
bullshit we will only win when we get in the gutter	gopiscrap	Jun 2017	#13
Winning is indeed, more important than our own behavior, our ethics and our character	LanternWaste	Jun 2017	#14
yes because with a loss nothing changes	gopiscrap	Jun 2017	#17
That is a false choice.	MGKrebs	Jun 2017	#46
If you get into the gutter with them	Dorian Gray	Jun 2017	#101
+1	dalton99a	Jun 2017	#38
I have to agree	Jake Stern	Jun 2017	#52
What does that mean?	MGKrebs	Jun 2017	#62
YEP	Cosmocat	Jun 2017	#69
Bullshit. The Obama Presidential campaign never got in the gutter. Not once.	AtheistCrusader	Jun 2017	#90
100% this.	OriginalGeek	Jun 2017	#95
9-11	Cosmocat	Jun 2017	#72
I just don't see where matching their hatred gains us anything.	MGKrebs	Jun 2017	#75
Then accept where we are now	Cosmocat	Jun 2017	#79
"He who fights with monsters should be careful lest he thereby become a monster."	AtheistCrusader	Jun 2017	#92
What would an avowed white supremacist like Scalise think about me as a black woman if I got shot?	SweetieD	Jun 2017	#4
I totally agree with you-you have my heart	gopiscrap	Jun 2017	#10
Then aren't you the same as him?	MGKrebs	Jun 2017	#11
You really have to ask?? LOL.	58Sunliner	Jun 2017	#19
No. Because I am the victim of people like Scalise and he is the perpetrator.	SweetieD	Jun 2017	#25
Does John Lewis wish his oppressors were shot?	MGKrebs	Jun 2017	#36
I don't care what they wanted. I speak for myself. And I never said I wanted Scalise to be shot.	SweetieD	Jun 2017	#44
+1,000. I'll save my pity for his victims.	58Sunliner	Jun 2017	#21
The wounded Capitol Police officers were not guilty of anything	IronLionZion	Jun 2017	#63
Many of us are speaking to their hypocrisy	SHRED	Jun 2017	#5
thank you	gopiscrap	Jun 2017	#12
I guess you can tell yourself whatever you want.	MGKrebs	Jun 2017	#37
...	LOL Lib	Jun 2017	#7
I agree totally!	LongTomH	Jun 2017	#8
until the GOP	freddyvh	Jun 2017	#15
We know that it will be partisan, they will make it so.	58Sunliner	Jun 2017	#16
Well then respond to those that do!	MGKrebs	Jun 2017	#39
Why do you make assumptions not based on what people post.	58Sunliner	Jun 2017	#97
"They will make it so" refers to the future.	MGKrebs	Jun 2017	#107
It's proof of how politics in this country has jumped the shark.	Oneironaut	Jun 2017	#22
I'm sorry Scalise was shot but he's still a POS White Supremacist nt	maryellen99	Jun 2017	#24
And I won't argue with that.	MGKrebs	Jun 2017	#41
The victims have my sympathy. But they are reaping the hate that they have sown.	Tatiana	Jun 2017	#26
this is the best response right here	barbtries	Jun 2017	#34
Good post and I agree.	CentralMass	Jun 2017	#27
K and r.	cwydro	Jun 2017	#28
OMG isnt that the truth	7962	Jun 2017	#60
Sadly true.	onenote	Jun 2017	#29
Yeah, its a damn shame, and it is entirely ineffective. It makes us look shitty, and that's	JCanete	Jun 2017	#30
A repug Congressman from IL said in an interview	elmac	Jun 2017	#31
We should fight that fascist pig for that comment.	MGKrebs	Jun 2017	#42
They go low, we go lower	sarisataka	Jun 2017	#32
you can block people	barbtries	Jun 2017	#33
I don't block people anymore.	MGKrebs	Jun 2017	#43
i do.	barbtries	Jun 2017	#48
I have never once put anyone on ignore. I ignore posts, not people.	DFW	Jun 2017	#56
Tracking daily gun violence across the country	elmac	Jun 2017	#45
Clearly a public health issue.	Duncan Grant	Jun 2017	#77
One thing is universally true-- no one cares about the dead shooter.	Pinkflamingo	Jun 2017	#47
Thank you MGK! You make this forum a better place.	flibbitygiblets	Jun 2017	#49
there will be a Kumbaya moment	elmac	Jun 2017	#50
Knowing that trolls will be exposed to the home page	Deb	Jun 2017	#51
Are they really victims?	ExciteBike66	Jun 2017	#53
Yes they are victims.	MGKrebs	Jun 2017	#78
Ditto. Thanks.	elleng	Jun 2017	#54
We worry about OUR tone, meanwhile,	SCVDem	Jun 2017	#58
Yes. What does being vile gain you?	MGKrebs	Jun 2017	#66
Violence & assassination never ok except in most very dire situations. We aren't close to that. . nt	Bernardo de La Paz	Jun 2017	#61
Absolutely- but dire is in the eye of the beholder.	missingthebigdog	Jun 2017	#76
Good comment.	MGKrebs	Jun 2017	#80
Is it all right to give them exactly, but exactly, the same amount of support	sarge43	Jun 2017	#64
If you want to help victims of gun violence, then help victims of gun violence.	MGKrebs	Jun 2017	#68
Or the immediate jump to "Its a setup" "Its a false flag"	7962	Jun 2017	#65
I agree with you. Human beings were shot today by a madman	emulatorloo	Jun 2017	#71
THANK YOU.	nycbos	Jun 2017	#73
I am with you MGKrebs	Saboburns	Jun 2017	#74
Excuse me if this has already been posted, but I just found this, words cannot describe....	FrankfurtCat	Jun 2017	#83
Yeah let's have pity on the party that is getting	workinclasszero	Jun 2017	#84
Browse the posts today at DI. You'll feel a lot better about DU.	beaglelover	Jun 2017	#85
"We live in a political world"	G_j	Jun 2017	#86
I agree. We should oppose them, not become them.	nolabear	Jun 2017	#91
I agree to a certain point	angrychair	Jun 2017	#94
I love this place at times like this	Miles Archer	Jun 2017	#102
I know that the "we are better than they are,	Progressive dog	Jun 2017	#106
Hi MGKrebs!	denbot	Jun 2017	#109

Response to MGKrebs (Original post)

Wed Jun 14, 2017, 11:22 AM

gopiscrap (21,496 posts)

1. it's partisan because if we don't make it partisan they will

the sorry state of our nation makes it needed to be just as shitty and dirty as they are. Democrats need to grow a thicker skin and not give a fuck about offending anyone otherwise we will continue to lose elections

I hate this place at times like this.

1. it's partisan because if we don't make it partisan they will

6. It's also partisan because these people have enabled violence for too long

9. exactly

18. I'm gonna get blasted for this post...but

23. What happens if shoe were reversed is not the point!

55. But it is the point

59. Well then what is different about us?

96. "WE" don't get violent

99. Nobody is trying to do it "your way."

57. I understand your argument completely.

70. There is one political party that wants unfettered gun ownership, even for the

87. I was really impressed with Wonder Woman with the point that it's not about what they

89. +1

104. I am with you MGKrebs

40. What I want for Republicans is political defeat and utter humiliation,

105. I am of the same thought here. And after reading the responses of some of these people

67. Damn right. n/t

81. Hate to say it, but I pretty much feel the same way..

100. And back when Reagan was shot

103. True..

108. Yeah...

93. Sandy Hook.....says it all.

20. So what if they do?

88. This is why the Cold War dragged on for most of my life.

98. So...

2. I agree

35. Not always--it mainly started with Gingrich in the 1980's who told Republicans never to describe the

3. There is such hatred these days...

13. bullshit we will only win when we get in the gutter

14. Winning is indeed, more important than our own behavior, our ethics and our character

17. yes because with a loss nothing changes

46. That is a false choice.

101. If you get into the gutter with them

38. +1

52. I have to agree

62. What does that mean?

69. YEP

90. Bullshit. The Obama Presidential campaign never got in the gutter. Not once.

95. 100% this.

72. 9-11

75. I just don't see where matching their hatred gains us anything.

79. Then accept where we are now

92. "He who fights with monsters should be careful lest he thereby become a monster."

4. What would an avowed white supremacist like Scalise think about me as a black woman if I got shot?

10. I totally agree with you-you have my heart

11. Then aren't you the same as him?

19. You really have to ask?? LOL.

25. No. Because I am the victim of people like Scalise and he is the perpetrator.

36. Does John Lewis wish his oppressors were shot?

44. I don't care what they wanted. I speak for myself. And I never said I wanted Scalise to be shot.

21. +1,000. I'll save my pity for his victims.

63. The wounded Capitol Police officers were not guilty of anything

5. Many of us are speaking to their hypocrisy

12. thank you

37. I guess you can tell yourself whatever you want.

7. ...

8. I agree totally!

15. until the GOP

16. We know that it will be partisan, they will make it so.

39. Well then respond to those that do!

97. Why do you make assumptions not based on what people post.

107. "They will make it so" refers to the future.

22. It's proof of how politics in this country has jumped the shark.

24. I'm sorry Scalise was shot but he's still a POS White Supremacist nt

41. And I won't argue with that.

26. The victims have my sympathy. But they are reaping the hate that they have sown.

34. this is the best response right here

27. Good post and I agree.

28. K and r.

60. OMG isnt that the truth

29. Sadly true.

30. Yeah, its a damn shame, and it is entirely ineffective. It makes us look shitty, and that's

31. A repug Congressman from IL said in an interview

42. We should fight that fascist pig for that comment.

32. They go low, we go lower

33. you can block people

43. I don't block people anymore.

48. i do.

56. I have never once put anyone on ignore. I ignore posts, not people.