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TNNurse

(6,911 posts)
Thu Jun 15, 2017, 07:57 AM Jun 2017

As a former ICU nurse and then supervisor of the hospital

If ANYONE showed up to visit an ICU patient, they were identified as family. If not they were not allowed to visit unless the family specifically asked.

I would have denied Trump access to Steve Scallia unless his wife wanted it to happen and if she did, I would have stood in the room to make sure he did not accidentally mess with anything. He seems so ignorant, he might push a button and do harm.

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As a former ICU nurse and then supervisor of the hospital (Original Post) TNNurse Jun 2017 OP
You may think that you can boss around the Secret Service. former9thward Jun 2017 #1
I understand that TNNurse Jun 2017 #5
Indeed, Wednesdays Jun 2017 #9
"They did not like limits on what they wanted to do, eat or drink" cwydro Jun 2017 #13
Scalises's family was there. I'm sure they had no problems with Trump's visit. onenote Jun 2017 #2
I find the idea of 45 visiting disturbing Rorey Jun 2017 #3
I find it appropriate for them to visit the wife. TNNurse Jun 2017 #4
If she approved, that would seem to be fine Rorey Jun 2017 #6
Well we cannot relate to those who support Trump TNNurse Jun 2017 #7
True Rorey Jun 2017 #8
He probably wanted to remind them that it was his birthday Donkees Jun 2017 #10
And ask where his gift was. Seems like the most likely explanation. Neema Jun 2017 #12
As a retired ICU nurse MuseRider Jun 2017 #11

former9thward

(31,802 posts)
1. You may think that you can boss around the Secret Service.
Thu Jun 15, 2017, 08:04 AM
Jun 2017

But very quickly you would learn differently.

TNNurse

(6,911 posts)
5. I understand that
Thu Jun 15, 2017, 08:38 AM
Jun 2017

I would however made a point of making them know that this visit was not a good idea and was interfering with care. He should have visited with the family and left the people who actually know what is going on alone to care for the patient.

My least favorite patients were wealthy men who owned their own businesses. No one ever told them no, especially the family.
They did not like limits on what they wanted to do or eat or drink. Had a guy try to get out of the bed right after having an arteriogram. We had already explained again that this could cause the puncture of his artery to open and he could bleed to death. He continued to try to get up. He said literally "people do not tell me no, little lady". Several of us held him down and got him sedated before he injured himself.

Yes, I know the SS would have won, but they would have heard from me or one of the other nurses, we are very protective of our patients.



 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
13. "They did not like limits on what they wanted to do, eat or drink"
Thu Jun 15, 2017, 10:45 AM
Jun 2017

Neither do I. My father was a wealthy man who grew up poor. You don't have to be wealthy to hate being told what to do.

No one should spend time in a hospital if they value their health. Fithy germ ridden places with only profit as a goal.

Awful fucking places. Ugh.

onenote

(42,374 posts)
2. Scalises's family was there. I'm sure they had no problems with Trump's visit.
Thu Jun 15, 2017, 08:17 AM
Jun 2017

Why would you think otherwise?

Rorey

(8,445 posts)
3. I find the idea of 45 visiting disturbing
Thu Jun 15, 2017, 08:17 AM
Jun 2017

I also find it disturbing that the media referred to it as a "surprise" visit. Maybe I'm being petty, but I think the more appropriate word would be "unannounced" in such a somber situation.

And Melania brought flowers? Are flowers now allowed in ICU?

When my last husband was in ICU for nine days before his death, visitation was strictly limited. I believe it was two at a time, but I know that they did allow our three young children to come in together, and of course I was there too. I was actually annoyed when other people would try to come. It wasn't a social event. When my husband's parents or siblings would come I would go to the waiting room and it would be full of well-wishers who would usually stare at me because they didn't know what to say. I sure didn't need that. I was a wreck and had no sleep, and wanted to use my resources to talk to my husband, not entertain guests.

The hospital staff was awesome. Visitors were not.

TNNurse

(6,911 posts)
4. I find it appropriate for them to visit the wife.
Thu Jun 15, 2017, 08:30 AM
Jun 2017

It sounds like the patient is probably sedated and maybe on a ventilator, he would not know who was there.

Rorey

(8,445 posts)
6. If she approved, that would seem to be fine
Thu Jun 15, 2017, 08:46 AM
Jun 2017

All I know is that for me it was a private time. My husband was in a drug-induced coma, but I do believe he could hear me. In the very early morning hours of the ninth day, when I knew there was no hope that my husband would live, I changed my focus of telling him to fight to telling him it was okay to go. Everything immediately started changing, so I know he could hear me.

I think it would have been more appropriate if 45 had sent a message that first day instead of showing up, but that's just me. My opinion doesn't much matter in this situation.

TNNurse

(6,911 posts)
7. Well we cannot relate to those who support Trump
Thu Jun 15, 2017, 08:51 AM
Jun 2017

she might have thought it an honor. Now that is sad.

Rorey

(8,445 posts)
8. True
Thu Jun 15, 2017, 08:57 AM
Jun 2017

She probably did, and for her it probably was.

One would think that someone in 45's administration would advise a better plan than a "surprise" visit, but they don't seem to have anyone in the administration with an ounce of common sense. Even if someone advised it, 45 wouldn't heed the advice.

MuseRider

(34,058 posts)
11. As a retired ICU nurse
Thu Jun 15, 2017, 10:35 AM
Jun 2017

I completely agree. Trump has no right to use up the valuable visiting time nor to disrupt care.

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