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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
Thu Jun 15, 2017, 08:48 AM Jun 2017

NYT: Attack Tests Movement Sanders Founded

WASHINGTON — The most ardent supporters of Senator Bernie Sanders have long been outspoken about their anger toward Republicans — and in some cases toward Democrats. Their idol, the senator from Vermont, has called President Trump a “demagogue” and said recently that he was “perhaps the worst and most dangerous president in the history of our country.”

Now, in Mr. Sanders’s world, his fans have something concrete to grapple with: James T. Hodgkinson, a former volunteer for Mr. Sanders’s presidential campaign, is suspected of opening fire on Republican lawmakers practicing baseball in Alexandria, Va.

That shooting on Wednesday, which wounded four people, may prove to be an unexpected test for a movement born out of Mr. Sanders’s left-wing, populist politics and a moment for liberals to figure out how to balance anger at Mr. Trump with inciting violence.

“Both sides need to look in the mirror,” said Nina Turner, a former Ohio state senator who campaigned for Mr. Sanders and is working on a new think tank started by the senator’s wife. “We have to decide what kind of language we are going to use in our political discourse.”

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“I am sickened by this despicable act,” Mr. Sanders said in a statement. “Let me be as clear as I can be. Violence of any kind is unacceptable in our society, and I condemn this action in the strongest possible terms. Real change can only come about through nonviolent action, and anything else runs against our most deeply held American values.”

His most prominent followers said that blaming all of Mr. Sanders’s supporters for the actions of one was akin to blaming all Muslims for the actions of the Islamic State.
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To be sure, supporters of Mr. Trump, as well as Mr. Trump himself, have assailed opponents and the news media.

But long before the shooting on Wednesday, some of Mr. Sanders’s supporters had earned a belligerent reputation for their criticism of Hillary Clinton, the Democratic Party and others who they believed disagreed with their ideas. Sanders fans, sometimes referred to derogatorily as “Bernie Bros” or “Bernie Bots,” at times harassed reporters covering Mr. Sanders and flooded social media with angry posts directed at the “corporate media,” a term often used by the senator."

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/14/us/politics/bernie-sanders-supporters.html?_r=0

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NYT: Attack Tests Movement Sanders Founded (Original Post) ehrnst Jun 2017 OP
OFFS no it doesn't underpants Jun 2017 #1
Agreed NewJeffCT Jun 2017 #9
? You don't support Democrats in primaries? Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #22
Since I'm voting for the Democratic nominee no matter who it is NewJeffCT Jun 2017 #29
I see...I always vote for Democrats also. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #33
my fault NewJeffCT Jun 2017 #34
I was just curious...certainly you do not owe me or anyone an explanation. Thanks for assuaging my Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #35
I've been part of DU since 2003 NewJeffCT Jun 2017 #36
Ah...CT...is different...back then even the GOP were pretty liberal. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #43
I didn't know there were many Democrats NewJeffCT Jun 2017 #44
Better commute through Greenwich...since the bridge that fell down was replaced/repaired? Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #50
This message was self-deleted by its author susanna Jun 2017 #48
You don't support Dems or independents in the primaries? Not much left. Do you support repugs? brush Jun 2017 #30
I don't support any one Democrat over another NewJeffCT Jun 2017 #32
"Both sides need to look in the mirror" - Looking begins at home, Nina ! "I'm not taking it anymore" OnDoutside Jun 2017 #2
I had not heard that speech. ehrnst Jun 2017 #5
No problem OnDoutside Jun 2017 #17
Yeah, nina.. tell us all about it.. meanwhile Look in Cha Jun 2017 #20
Undeniably This Is A False Statement/Attack Me. Jun 2017 #51
She hates Democrats...he belongs to you Nina... Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #23
bullshit bigtree Jun 2017 #3
I do not support Sen. Sanders, but I would argue that his Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #24
"Wedge" FM123 Jun 2017 #31
This was an individual act separate from any movement. NCTraveler Jun 2017 #4
Great post. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #25
The shooter was a perpetrator of domestic violence. alarimer Jun 2017 #6
Pursuant to your point, a woman is physically assaulted by a mate or spouse in KingCharlemagne Jun 2017 #12
The guy had mental/rage issues before this and went off on his foster daughters friend and others luvMIdog Jun 2017 #7
next we'll be hearing he was a secet Muslim convert... n/m bagelsforbreakfast Jun 2017 #8
Neither Bernie nor Hillary ever expressed one shred of violent rhetoric bullwinkle428 Jun 2017 #10
WTF? What a dumb ass article... jmg257 Jun 2017 #11
This perhaps the stupidest thing I've ever read. DefenseLawyer Jun 2017 #13
Right, like after the Gabby Giffords shooting, and how that was a "test" for the Tea Party . . . hatrack Jun 2017 #14
piss off nyt spanone Jun 2017 #15
total garbage! Cobalt Violet Jun 2017 #16
BS. No it doesn't! ananda Jun 2017 #18
nina turner needs to look in the damn mirror as Cha Jun 2017 #19
Clickbait, the Attention Economy, and the End of Journalism Donkees Jun 2017 #21
This. hatrack Jun 2017 #26
+1 leftstreet Jun 2017 #38
+1 joshcryer Jun 2017 #49
How many attacks test the Trump movement? get the red out Jun 2017 #27
Bullshit malaise Jun 2017 #28
How much of Sander's support has to do with his support for guns? nt LexVegas Jun 2017 #37
What a pantload article. nt PufPuf23 Jun 2017 #39
I'm no fan of Bernie but that's bullshit. nolabear Jun 2017 #40
This message was self-deleted by its author jalan48 Jun 2017 #41
Disgusting. killbotfactory Jun 2017 #42
Remember: 'they' attack Sanders because he is a statesman and is not bought and paid for... Trial_By_Fire Jun 2017 #45
K&R stonecutter357 Jun 2017 #46
Garbage melman Jun 2017 #47
LOL-yeah, Sanders' is responsible for a deranged gunman. jalan48 Jun 2017 #52

NewJeffCT

(56,827 posts)
9. Agreed
Thu Jun 15, 2017, 09:01 AM
Jun 2017

Last edited Thu Jun 15, 2017, 09:55 AM - Edit history (2)

one crazy guy doesn't make up a movement. I'm not a supporter of Sanders (I have not supported any one Democrat or independent over other Democrats in the primaries since 1988 - my first), but this is a BS story.

NewJeffCT

(56,827 posts)
29. Since I'm voting for the Democratic nominee no matter who it is
Thu Jun 15, 2017, 09:48 AM
Jun 2017

I saw no point in supporting Sanders or Clinton last year, nor did I see any point in supporting Clinton, Obama, Edwards, etc in 2008 because they were all better than McCain and the other top Republicans... the same with 2004 and Dean, Edwards, Kerry, etc were all better than Bush... and in 1992, Clinton, Tsongas, Brown, etc were all better than the previous Bush.

Demsrule86

(68,352 posts)
35. I was just curious...certainly you do not owe me or anyone an explanation. Thanks for assuaging my
Thu Jun 15, 2017, 10:58 AM
Jun 2017

curiosity...My kids say I am nosy!

NewJeffCT

(56,827 posts)
36. I've been part of DU since 2003
Thu Jun 15, 2017, 11:20 AM
Jun 2017

so, I figure it's better to clarify than to let something linger out there - you may remember my name in another thread in the future and think, "that guy's not a real Democrat..." when I've always voted for the Democrat at every level since I turned 18. (Except one time in 1990 when the Democratic state treasurer in CT gave such a bad speech at my college graduation in 1989 that I voted for the Republican when he was up for re-election.)



Demsrule86

(68,352 posts)
43. Ah...CT...is different...back then even the GOP were pretty liberal.
Thu Jun 15, 2017, 06:19 PM
Jun 2017

I graduated from UCONN...and also went Western...I graduated from Ridgefield High School

NewJeffCT

(56,827 posts)
44. I didn't know there were many Democrats
Thu Jun 15, 2017, 08:18 PM
Jun 2017

in Ridgiefield. Beautiful town, though. We had friends that lived there for several years, but they ended up moving to Greenwich so both of them could be closer to their jobs.

Demsrule86

(68,352 posts)
50. Better commute through Greenwich...since the bridge that fell down was replaced/repaired?
Fri Jun 16, 2017, 10:22 AM
Jun 2017

Don't know which...There used to be many Democrats in Ridgefied...don't know how many there are now. When my older sis was in school...the John Birchers tried to get teachers and others fired...they banned Soul on Ice and The Boss...so of course every kid read both...my sis used to just walk out and protest...word would go out and everyone would leave...sadly when I came along we didn't have as much fun!

Response to NewJeffCT (Reply #36)

NewJeffCT

(56,827 posts)
32. I don't support any one Democrat over another
Thu Jun 15, 2017, 09:53 AM
Jun 2017

in the primaries. Since I live in Connecticut, the race for the nomination is generally over by the time of our primary.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
51. Undeniably This Is A False Statement/Attack
Fri Jun 16, 2017, 10:32 AM
Jun 2017

But can't how wondering how they feel about getting a tiny taste of what HRC had/gets thrown at her every minute of every day. Further, they need to be careful about those fingers they've been pointing because it's becomming apparent the shine is coming off their apple.

bigtree

(85,918 posts)
3. bullshit
Thu Jun 15, 2017, 08:55 AM
Jun 2017

...nothing about the Sanders campaign supported or encouraged violence of any kind.

This is just shit-stirring by folks eager to drive a wedge between Democrats and supporters.

Demsrule86

(68,352 posts)
24. I do not support Sen. Sanders, but I would argue that his
Thu Jun 15, 2017, 09:39 AM
Jun 2017

campaign did not support violence nor did Sen. Sanders ever do so.

FM123

(10,050 posts)
31. "Wedge"
Thu Jun 15, 2017, 09:52 AM
Jun 2017

BigTree
Starting to see that more and more these past days and it feels like deja vu. Worried.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
4. This was an individual act separate from any movement.
Thu Jun 15, 2017, 08:55 AM
Jun 2017

"Sanders" people, I stand with you today and ask you to keep pushing forward. There is nothing to apologize for or run from.

"Clinton" folks, realize we are being lumped in with them in these attacks. We are the left.

I'm not saying either "side" should come together in harmony. I'm saying the act of a lone gunman shouldn't fracture us further. It shouldn't weaken any movement on the left in any way.

Resist.

alarimer

(16,245 posts)
6. The shooter was a perpetrator of domestic violence.
Thu Jun 15, 2017, 08:59 AM
Jun 2017

THESE are the guys we need to be wary of, not Bernie supporters in general, or Trump supporters in general (although Trump's rhetoric was and still is much more inflammatory than Sanders'. By a lot.

No, it's angry white guys who have beaten their wives or children we need to be wary of. There is a definite pattern, a profile they fit. And it is beyond ideology. I'm not sure it even matters what they purport to believe. 1) DV accusations or convictions (often multiple) and 2) access to guns. So these are the problems to work on.

We need to start taking domestic violence seriously as the precursor it so often is to murder.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
12. Pursuant to your point, a woman is physically assaulted by a mate or spouse in
Thu Jun 15, 2017, 09:04 AM
Jun 2017

this country EVERY NINE SECONDS. In the time it took me to type these sentences, one woman was physically assaulted.

2-3 women in American die EVERY DAY from domestic violence at the hands of a spouse or mate.

FWIW, the OJ case began my education on this subject many years ago.

luvMIdog

(2,533 posts)
7. The guy had mental/rage issues before this and went off on his foster daughters friend and others
Thu Jun 15, 2017, 09:00 AM
Jun 2017

He was a pile of rage looking for something to land on and he found something. THAT IS ALL

bullwinkle428

(20,626 posts)
10. Neither Bernie nor Hillary ever expressed one shred of violent rhetoric
Thu Jun 15, 2017, 09:02 AM
Jun 2017

over the entire course of their Presidential campaigns, so this strikes me as more of the same bullshit meme that was being pushed big-time this morning on NPR - i.e., "both sides do it".

 

DefenseLawyer

(11,101 posts)
13. This perhaps the stupidest thing I've ever read.
Thu Jun 15, 2017, 09:06 AM
Jun 2017

Although I do recall that John Hinkley, Jr. was quite a test for wealthy white people. It was a difficult time.

hatrack

(59,442 posts)
14. Right, like after the Gabby Giffords shooting, and how that was a "test" for the Tea Party . . .
Thu Jun 15, 2017, 09:07 AM
Jun 2017

Yeah, I remember all about the NYT coverage along those lines.

Oh, and the guns brought to rallies in DC, and Sharon Angle and "2nd Amendment Remedies".

Oh, that's right, they never said any such thing about the right-wing knuckle-draggers, did they?

What a stupid fucking POS article.

ananda

(28,783 posts)
18. BS. No it doesn't!
Thu Jun 15, 2017, 09:11 AM
Jun 2017

Does any act of violence committed by a rightwinger test that movement?

No, it makes it stronger!

Sanders and 99.9% of his movement deplore violence! This act will not
stop us! And that is because what Sanders always promotes is simply
doing the right thing by humans, not corporations!

Cha

(295,915 posts)
19. nina turner needs to look in the damn mirror as
Thu Jun 15, 2017, 09:14 AM
Jun 2017

long as they're popping her into the article.

Damn.. "both sides"? WTH does that even mean, nina?

Look in the damn mirror, nina. Decide on better language you're going to use.. like NOT lying about The Democratic Party. What a Hypocrite.

Think tank? Yeah right. Like nina is helping here.

NYT: Attack Tests Movement Sanders Founder

WASHINGTON — The most ardent supporters of Senator Bernie Sanders have long been outspoken about their anger toward Republicans — and in some cases toward Democrats. Their idol, the senator from Vermont, has called President Trump a “demagogue” and said recently that he was “perhaps the worst and most dangerous president in the history of our country.”

Now, in Mr. Sanders’s world, his fans have something concrete to grapple with: James T. Hodgkinson, a former volunteer for Mr. Sanders’s presidential campaign, is suspected of opening fire on Republican lawmakers practicing baseball in Alexandria, Va.

That shooting on Wednesday, which wounded four people, may prove to be an unexpected test for a movement born out of Mr. Sanders’s left-wing, populist politics and a moment for liberals to figure out how to balance anger at Mr. Trump with inciting violence.

“Both sides need to look in the mirror,” said Nina Turner, a former Ohio state senator who campaigned for Mr. Sanders and is working on a new think tank started by the senator’s wife. “We have to decide what kind of language we are going to use in our political discourse.”

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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/14/us/politics/bernie-sanders-supporters.html?_r=0

Donkees

(31,085 posts)
21. Clickbait, the Attention Economy, and the End of Journalism
Thu Jun 15, 2017, 09:25 AM
Jun 2017

Excerpt:

The more upset you are, the more you click. The more you click, the more these content creators make. It’s a race to the bottom. Which would all be fine if this emotionality were limited to entertainment content. But unfortunately, contemporary journalism must bank on emotionality to pay their bills.

What are they optimizing for? Emotionality — your emotional response (to click or not click) to a stimulus (a lede or headline). And through years of optimization, testing, and writing, we’re discovering that the more emotional response a person has to something, the more likely they are to click.

https://medium.com/@hyonschu/clickbait-the-attention-economy-and-the-end-of-journalism-c4f16d2c447d


"You can either be part of the problem or part of the solution"

Response to ehrnst (Original post)

killbotfactory

(13,566 posts)
42. Disgusting.
Thu Jun 15, 2017, 12:22 PM
Jun 2017

Sanders has never advocated violence.

And from the paper of record which helped to sell us the Iraq war.

Has the New York Times ever opposed a war, or military action, ever?

 

Trial_By_Fire

(624 posts)
45. Remember: 'they' attack Sanders because he is a statesman and is not bought and paid for...
Thu Jun 15, 2017, 08:23 PM
Jun 2017

'They' is anybody attacking Sanders. And, constructive criticism is welcomed and expected.

Sanders represents what America was in FDR days - working for the 99%. That's why they hate him.

 

melman

(7,681 posts)
47. Garbage
Fri Jun 16, 2017, 03:24 AM
Jun 2017

Unbelievable that the Times would even print this. Yamiche Alcindor should be fired immediately.

jalan48

(13,798 posts)
52. LOL-yeah, Sanders' is responsible for a deranged gunman.
Fri Jun 16, 2017, 10:34 AM
Jun 2017

This is something I would expect to see on a right wing news production.

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