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WASHINGTON The most ardent supporters of Senator Bernie Sanders have long been outspoken about their anger toward Republicans and in some cases toward Democrats. Their idol, the senator from Vermont, has called President Trump a demagogue and said recently that he was perhaps the worst and most dangerous president in the history of our country.
Now, in Mr. Sanderss world, his fans have something concrete to grapple with: James T. Hodgkinson, a former volunteer for Mr. Sanderss presidential campaign, is suspected of opening fire on Republican lawmakers practicing baseball in Alexandria, Va.
That shooting on Wednesday, which wounded four people, may prove to be an unexpected test for a movement born out of Mr. Sanderss left-wing, populist politics and a moment for liberals to figure out how to balance anger at Mr. Trump with inciting violence.
Both sides need to look in the mirror, said Nina Turner, a former Ohio state senator who campaigned for Mr. Sanders and is working on a new think tank started by the senators wife. We have to decide what kind of language we are going to use in our political discourse.
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I am sickened by this despicable act, Mr. Sanders said in a statement. Let me be as clear as I can be. Violence of any kind is unacceptable in our society, and I condemn this action in the strongest possible terms. Real change can only come about through nonviolent action, and anything else runs against our most deeply held American values.
His most prominent followers said that blaming all of Mr. Sanderss supporters for the actions of one was akin to blaming all Muslims for the actions of the Islamic State.
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To be sure, supporters of Mr. Trump, as well as Mr. Trump himself, have assailed opponents and the news media.
But long before the shooting on Wednesday, some of Mr. Sanderss supporters had earned a belligerent reputation for their criticism of Hillary Clinton, the Democratic Party and others who they believed disagreed with their ideas. Sanders fans, sometimes referred to derogatorily as Bernie Bros or Bernie Bots, at times harassed reporters covering Mr. Sanders and flooded social media with angry posts directed at the corporate media, a term often used by the senator."
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/14/us/politics/bernie-sanders-supporters.html?_r=0
underpants
(182,279 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,827 posts)Last edited Thu Jun 15, 2017, 09:55 AM - Edit history (2)
one crazy guy doesn't make up a movement. I'm not a supporter of Sanders (I have not supported any one Democrat or independent over other Democrats in the primaries since 1988 - my first), but this is a BS story.
Demsrule86
(68,352 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,827 posts)I saw no point in supporting Sanders or Clinton last year, nor did I see any point in supporting Clinton, Obama, Edwards, etc in 2008 because they were all better than McCain and the other top Republicans... the same with 2004 and Dean, Edwards, Kerry, etc were all better than Bush... and in 1992, Clinton, Tsongas, Brown, etc were all better than the previous Bush.
Demsrule86
(68,352 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,827 posts)for not being clearer in my original post. I edited to make it (hopefully) more clear
Demsrule86
(68,352 posts)curiosity...My kids say I am nosy!
NewJeffCT
(56,827 posts)so, I figure it's better to clarify than to let something linger out there - you may remember my name in another thread in the future and think, "that guy's not a real Democrat..." when I've always voted for the Democrat at every level since I turned 18. (Except one time in 1990 when the Democratic state treasurer in CT gave such a bad speech at my college graduation in 1989 that I voted for the Republican when he was up for re-election.)
Demsrule86
(68,352 posts)I graduated from UCONN...and also went Western...I graduated from Ridgefield High School
NewJeffCT
(56,827 posts)in Ridgiefield. Beautiful town, though. We had friends that lived there for several years, but they ended up moving to Greenwich so both of them could be closer to their jobs.
Demsrule86
(68,352 posts)Don't know which...There used to be many Democrats in Ridgefied...don't know how many there are now. When my older sis was in school...the John Birchers tried to get teachers and others fired...they banned Soul on Ice and The Boss...so of course every kid read both...my sis used to just walk out and protest...word would go out and everyone would leave...sadly when I came along we didn't have as much fun!
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brush
(53,474 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,827 posts)in the primaries. Since I live in Connecticut, the race for the nomination is generally over by the time of our primary.
OnDoutside
(19,908 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Thank you for sharing.
OnDoutside
(19,908 posts)Cha
(295,915 posts)the damn mirror, nina.
Me.
(35,454 posts)But can't how wondering how they feel about getting a tiny taste of what HRC had/gets thrown at her every minute of every day. Further, they need to be careful about those fingers they've been pointing because it's becomming apparent the shine is coming off their apple.
Demsrule86
(68,352 posts)bigtree
(85,918 posts)...nothing about the Sanders campaign supported or encouraged violence of any kind.
This is just shit-stirring by folks eager to drive a wedge between Democrats and supporters.
Demsrule86
(68,352 posts)campaign did not support violence nor did Sen. Sanders ever do so.
BigTree
Starting to see that more and more these past days and it feels like deja vu. Worried.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)"Sanders" people, I stand with you today and ask you to keep pushing forward. There is nothing to apologize for or run from.
"Clinton" folks, realize we are being lumped in with them in these attacks. We are the left.
I'm not saying either "side" should come together in harmony. I'm saying the act of a lone gunman shouldn't fracture us further. It shouldn't weaken any movement on the left in any way.
Resist.
Demsrule86
(68,352 posts)alarimer
(16,245 posts)THESE are the guys we need to be wary of, not Bernie supporters in general, or Trump supporters in general (although Trump's rhetoric was and still is much more inflammatory than Sanders'. By a lot.
No, it's angry white guys who have beaten their wives or children we need to be wary of. There is a definite pattern, a profile they fit. And it is beyond ideology. I'm not sure it even matters what they purport to believe. 1) DV accusations or convictions (often multiple) and 2) access to guns. So these are the problems to work on.
We need to start taking domestic violence seriously as the precursor it so often is to murder.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)this country EVERY NINE SECONDS. In the time it took me to type these sentences, one woman was physically assaulted.
2-3 women in American die EVERY DAY from domestic violence at the hands of a spouse or mate.
FWIW, the OJ case began my education on this subject many years ago.
luvMIdog
(2,533 posts)He was a pile of rage looking for something to land on and he found something. THAT IS ALL
bagelsforbreakfast
(1,427 posts)bullwinkle428
(20,626 posts)over the entire course of their Presidential campaigns, so this strikes me as more of the same bullshit meme that was being pushed big-time this morning on NPR - i.e., "both sides do it".
jmg257
(11,996 posts)DefenseLawyer
(11,101 posts)Although I do recall that John Hinkley, Jr. was quite a test for wealthy white people. It was a difficult time.
hatrack
(59,442 posts)Yeah, I remember all about the NYT coverage along those lines.
Oh, and the guns brought to rallies in DC, and Sharon Angle and "2nd Amendment Remedies".
Oh, that's right, they never said any such thing about the right-wing knuckle-draggers, did they?
What a stupid fucking POS article.
spanone
(135,635 posts)Cobalt Violet
(9,905 posts)ananda
(28,783 posts)Does any act of violence committed by a rightwinger test that movement?
No, it makes it stronger!
Sanders and 99.9% of his movement deplore violence! This act will not
stop us! And that is because what Sanders always promotes is simply
doing the right thing by humans, not corporations!
Cha
(295,915 posts)long as they're popping her into the article.
Damn.. "both sides"? WTH does that even mean, nina?
Look in the damn mirror, nina. Decide on better language you're going to use.. like NOT lying about The Democratic Party. What a Hypocrite.
Think tank? Yeah right. Like nina is helping here.
NYT: Attack Tests Movement Sanders Founder
WASHINGTON The most ardent supporters of Senator Bernie Sanders have long been outspoken about their anger toward Republicans and in some cases toward Democrats. Their idol, the senator from Vermont, has called President Trump a demagogue and said recently that he was perhaps the worst and most dangerous president in the history of our country.
Now, in Mr. Sanderss world, his fans have something concrete to grapple with: James T. Hodgkinson, a former volunteer for Mr. Sanderss presidential campaign, is suspected of opening fire on Republican lawmakers practicing baseball in Alexandria, Va.
That shooting on Wednesday, which wounded four people, may prove to be an unexpected test for a movement born out of Mr. Sanderss left-wing, populist politics and a moment for liberals to figure out how to balance anger at Mr. Trump with inciting violence.
Both sides need to look in the mirror, said Nina Turner, a former Ohio state senator who campaigned for Mr. Sanders and is working on a new think tank started by the senators wife. We have to decide what kind of language we are going to use in our political discourse.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/14/us/politics/bernie-sanders-supporters.html?_r=0
Donkees
(31,085 posts)Excerpt:
The more upset you are, the more you click. The more you click, the more these content creators make. Its a race to the bottom. Which would all be fine if this emotionality were limited to entertainment content. But unfortunately, contemporary journalism must bank on emotionality to pay their bills.
What are they optimizing for? Emotionality your emotional response (to click or not click) to a stimulus (a lede or headline). And through years of optimization, testing, and writing, were discovering that the more emotional response a person has to something, the more likely they are to click.
https://medium.com/@hyonschu/clickbait-the-attention-economy-and-the-end-of-journalism-c4f16d2c447d
"You can either be part of the problem or part of the solution"
Precisely this.
get the red out
(13,459 posts)I guess I need my calculator on that one.
malaise
(267,823 posts)That is all
LexVegas
(6,005 posts)PufPuf23
(8,688 posts)nolabear
(41,915 posts)I don't think I even need to go into why.
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killbotfactory
(13,566 posts)Sanders has never advocated violence.
And from the paper of record which helped to sell us the Iraq war.
Has the New York Times ever opposed a war, or military action, ever?
Trial_By_Fire
(624 posts)'They' is anybody attacking Sanders. And, constructive criticism is welcomed and expected.
Sanders represents what America was in FDR days - working for the 99%. That's why they hate him.
stonecutter357
(12,682 posts)melman
(7,681 posts)Unbelievable that the Times would even print this. Yamiche Alcindor should be fired immediately.
jalan48
(13,798 posts)This is something I would expect to see on a right wing news production.