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Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
Thu Jun 15, 2017, 02:00 PM Jun 2017

ONLY TWO Senators voted against new Russia sanctions: Rand Paul and Mike Lee.

Senate votes to impose new sanctions on Russia and Iran

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/15/russia-iran-sanctions-senate-vote-239594

The Senate on Thursday voted 98-2 for new sanctions on Iran and Russia, including new powers for Congress to block President Donald Trump from rolling back any penalties against Vladimir Putin's government.

The bipartisan support for the year's most significant GOP-backed limitation on Trump comes as the White House remains silent on the plan to sanction Moscow, even as President Putin pushes back at U.S. intelligence officials' conclusion that Russian actors conducted cyberattacks to disrupt the 2016 presidential election. Trump has repeatedly dismissed Russian electoral meddling, raising questions about whether the White House might reject the Senate's sanctions deal.

Senate Foreign Relations Chairman Bob Corker (R-Tenn.) hailed the lopsided vote in favor of the Iran sanctions bill that he helped shepherd to passage with the Russia measure attached, but he stopped short of echoing previous predictions that Trump would sign the combined sanctions legislation once it clears the House.

The only two votes against the Russia-Iran sanctions deal came from GOP Sens. Rand Paul of Kentucky and Mike Lee of Utah.

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ONLY TWO Senators voted against new Russia sanctions: Rand Paul and Mike Lee. (Original Post) Miles Archer Jun 2017 OP
I asked the question about why Sanders voted that way in another thread. MineralMan Jun 2017 #1
Go back and check your thread for answer. hedda_foil Jun 2017 #4
The Paul/Lee no vote was yesterday and on an amendment. MineralMan Jun 2017 #5
I had already checked. See downthread for the actual vote MineralMan Jun 2017 #13
You are absolutely correct, MM. My apologies. hedda_foil Jun 2017 #14
No problem. It was confusing, with two votes MineralMan Jun 2017 #17
SO, 98-2. VOTING AGAINST: SANDERS AND PAUL. (Not Lee). Hortensis Jun 2017 #30
That raises another question, why would he be against... George II Jun 2017 #31
I had the same question Andrew KY Jun 2017 #26
According to CNN Sanders voted against it. JTFrog Jun 2017 #2
According to the Senate's Website, Sanders voted for it Miles Archer Jun 2017 #11
Senate Website, 6-15-2017 vote on final bill. Sanders & Paul, nay emulatorloo Jun 2017 #18
Two links. I went with the one that specifically addressed Russian sanctions Miles Archer Jun 2017 #21
Yes. Two votes. One on amendment 6/14, one on final bill 6/15 emulatorloo Jun 2017 #22
Sanders voted with the majority unc70 Jun 2017 #3
Paul and Lee voted against the amendment. MineralMan Jun 2017 #6
Reuters also says Paul and Sanders emulatorloo Jun 2017 #7
. NCTraveler Jun 2017 #9
Thanks n/t emulatorloo Jun 2017 #15
EVERYONE has reported that Paul and Sanders voted no, why..... George II Jun 2017 #32
Here is todays vote. NCTraveler Jun 2017 #8
This is yesterdays vote that the article seems to be referencing. NCTraveler Jun 2017 #10
Bernie Sanders voted against it, for some reason mcar Jun 2017 #12
He gave his reason leftstreet Jun 2017 #16
Reason. Madam45for2923 Jun 2017 #20
Wonder why the rest of the Dem caucus didn't agree? mcar Jun 2017 #24
I don't wonder. George II Jun 2017 #33
Different issue, but this is similar in concept to... George II Jun 2017 #34
at least we know he isn't running for President in 2020. nt geek tragedy Jun 2017 #19
When has Sanders ever been questioned for congressional votes? SaschaHM Jun 2017 #23
Seems like an "I voted for it before I voted against it" scenario in the making emulatorloo Jun 2017 #25
Ok, so 98-2, with Sanders and Rand Paul voting against. Hortensis Jun 2017 #28
Paul's rationale Andrew KY Jun 2017 #27
Sanders must have kept his stance secret. Mike Lee's rationale Hortensis Jun 2017 #29
This message was self-deleted by its author MagickMuffin Jun 2017 #35
K&R stonecutter357 Aug 2017 #36

MineralMan

(146,241 posts)
1. I asked the question about why Sanders voted that way in another thread.
Thu Jun 15, 2017, 02:28 PM
Jun 2017

Nobody seems to have an answer, and apparently nobody seems to care about an answer.

It's very puzzling to me. Why would Rand Paul and Bernie Sanders be voting against an almost unanimous, bipartisan collective vote? I'm at a loss.

hedda_foil

(16,370 posts)
4. Go back and check your thread for answer.
Thu Jun 15, 2017, 02:43 PM
Jun 2017

The underlying bill which only covered Iranian sanctions was previously voted on and Sanders and Paul were the holdouts. This new vote, to impose harsher Russian sanctions, Paul and Lee voted no.l, while Sanders voted yes. Whoever looked up the roll call looked at the original bill that was previously passed instead of yesterday's vote. One or more journalists or their intern screwed up.

MineralMan

(146,241 posts)
5. The Paul/Lee no vote was yesterday and on an amendment.
Thu Jun 15, 2017, 02:46 PM
Jun 2017

The Paul/Sanders vote was on the bill, and was taken today.

That's what the news story says.

MineralMan

(146,241 posts)
13. I had already checked. See downthread for the actual vote
Thu Jun 15, 2017, 03:00 PM
Jun 2017

on the complete bill, following yesterday's vote on the amendment. The bill passed 98-2, with Rand Paul and Bernie Sanders voting No, just as I said. Here's the official record of the vote, from the Senate web site:

https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=115&session=1&vote=00147

hedda_foil

(16,370 posts)
14. You are absolutely correct, MM. My apologies.
Thu Jun 15, 2017, 03:04 PM
Jun 2017

I suppose his reasoning might be that he was against the tougher Iran sanctions so he voted against the amended bill,but even if that's so, I have a great deal of trouble with this vote.

MineralMan

(146,241 posts)
17. No problem. It was confusing, with two votes
Thu Jun 15, 2017, 03:07 PM
Jun 2017

on two days. However, since Bernie stands alone (well, with Rand Paul, who doesn't count) on this, I have to fault his logic. Every Democrat voted for the overall bill.

So did every Republican. It's very odd that only Rand Paul and Bernie voted against a 98 vote majority on this one.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
30. SO, 98-2. VOTING AGAINST: SANDERS AND PAUL. (Not Lee).
Fri Jun 16, 2017, 09:48 AM
Jun 2017

Boy, did the media mess this up. Almost no mention of Sanders' surprise vote.

Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
21. Two links. I went with the one that specifically addressed Russian sanctions
Thu Jun 15, 2017, 03:15 PM
Jun 2017

My link: Question: On the Amendment (Crapo Amdt. No. 232 As Modified )

Statement of Purpose: To impose sanctions with respect to the Russian Federation and to combat terrorism and illicit financing.

Sanders: YEA

Your link: Question: On Passage of the Bill (S. 722 As Amended )

Measure Title: An Act to Provide Congressional Review and to Counter Iranian and Russian Governments' Aggression.

Sanders: NAY

emulatorloo

(44,045 posts)
22. Yes. Two votes. One on amendment 6/14, one on final bill 6/15
Thu Jun 15, 2017, 03:16 PM
Jun 2017

The CNN article cited is about the vote on the bill.

MineralMan

(146,241 posts)
6. Paul and Lee voted against the amendment.
Thu Jun 15, 2017, 02:47 PM
Jun 2017

That was yesterday. Today, the entire bill was passed, with Paul and Sanders voting no. If you look at your link, it is clear that is the amendment that was voted on, not the final bill.

Here is the vote in question, taken today:

https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=115&session=1&vote=00147

Paul and Sanders voted NO.

George II

(67,782 posts)
32. EVERYONE has reported that Paul and Sanders voted no, why.....
Fri Jun 16, 2017, 10:15 PM
Jun 2017

....is it so difficult for some to accept that?

George II

(67,782 posts)
34. Different issue, but this is similar in concept to...
Fri Jun 16, 2017, 10:20 PM
Jun 2017

....his reasons to vote for the crime bill in the 1990s and votes against the Brady bill.

SaschaHM

(2,897 posts)
23. When has Sanders ever been questioned for congressional votes?
Thu Jun 15, 2017, 03:19 PM
Jun 2017

I'm sure the media will just overlook this too.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
29. Sanders must have kept his stance secret. Mike Lee's rationale
Fri Jun 16, 2017, 09:46 AM
Jun 2017

from the Salt Lake City Tribune, which also missed Sanders' actual vote and obviously assumed their senator, Mike Lee, had held to his announced position.

"The Russian sanctions amendment included funding for programs and support of policies that I believe are not effective at addressing problems in the U.S.-Russia relationship and have promoted progressive policies unrelated to countering Russia at the expense of American taxpayers." Lee specifically opposed a section of the amendment that appropriates $250 million to coordinate aid and counter cyberattacks in a handful of countries "vulnerable to influence."

The other senator voting no, Republican Rand Paul of Kentucky, told The Washington Examiner that he doesn't favor any new measures against Iran or Russia. The sanctions that passed Wednesday, he added, are inadequate, like "tweaking their nose."

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