After just listening to Jane Sanders on CNN, I have decided that she is full of

[mfcorey1]

crap. Nina Turner gave a speech at the people's summit that borders on passion and performance with more of performance, in my opinion. Then she has the nerve to tweet about unity and Jane list her as one who is a unifier. If those at the People's Summit want to form their own party, then have at it. Let those who want to remain democrats, do so. Then let each put forth their own candidate and may the best man win. But as long as her group blasts democrats we will never win again. JUST COLLECTING MY THOUGHTS!

[hrmjustin]

1. Anyone looking to form a "people's party" is doing the GOP's bidding.

[Baconator]

4. That party would draw from the far left...

The interesting idea is a party that draws from the moderates of both sides but actual implementation is a nightmare.

[NurseJackie]

45. Yep!

It's idiotic. Pure vanity.

[madaboutharry]

2. Her former colleagues at Burlington College would agree with you.

Ideologues are difficult people, no matter the idea.

[LisaM]

31. I'm not finding it at the moment, but didn't she also have a fraught relationship with another

college? I remember reading it, and some letter written either warning Burlington College off hiring her, or warning some other institution not to put her on their board.

[NCTraveler]

3. I thought she would be busy correcting tax filings and financial reports.

[YCHDT]

9. At this point I'm not trusting ANYONE who hasn't given FULL tax returns for last 10 yrs !!

Look what we're putting up with now !!

[tazkcmo]

26. I'll agree with that!

GOPee, Democratic or any other candidate should when filing for election.

[Zoonart]

5. Molly Yard, who was once the head of the National Organization for Women...

was being pressured in the late seventies at the height of the ERA amendment fight to form a new party separate from the Democrats and famously said:
"A third political party is a hole in the ground that you throw money into."
Democrats need to learn how to get along. Otherwise the GOP wins, because they have succeeded in dividing us.

[Me.]

8. Why It Always The Dems who "need to learn how to get along"

They're not the ones throwing rocks and I'm getting seriously annoyed that the finger keeps getting at our party. How about that other group get on with their own business and stop trying to get us to cater to them. Both Jane S. and Nina T. have always been divisive where the DEms are concerned which is why Turner's speaking spot at the Dem Convention was take away.

[Zoonart]

10. No finger pointing...

simply facts. Democrats are party divided. We are divided racially "Identity politics", socially "Millenials vs Geezers", Idiologically "Far left vs Center Left vs Liberal vs Progressive vs Neo Liberals...on and on. If we split into another party we loose. Hence, we need to get along.

[Me.]

14. And Yet

The Real Division has been created between those who think the concern of white male economics should reign supreme over everything else and that ideology belongs primarily to Sanders and his supporters. And by the way, they’re the ones who have split into another party. That is if they were Dems to begin with, which clearly BS wasn’t & isn’t. I find it interesting that none of the candidates he’s supported or who supported him have won an election. So until they have a better track record to speak of Jane should be more concerned with the FBI investigating her and Turner should try to get over her sore loser resentment.

And I’d like to remind the Senator with his ‘the Cons didn’t win, the Dems lost’ nasty little meme that HRC was 3million votes ahead and we’re just now learning of all the interference in the last election that put 45 in the WH.

[Zoonart]

17. I agree with you...

I see this exactly as you do... but the divide exists. That is my only point. What do we do about it? The real meme and the only one, IMGO is that the Russians
meddled in our election and the Republicans don't care. All Democrats should be on board with that.

[Me.]

18. Well You & I Agree

That is a start and where it always does begin...2 people and outward



One more point...I think the party had better start recognizing the influence of WOC who voted 95% w/HRC and are always there no matter how difficult.

[Zoonart]

19. Truer words!

[Demsrule86]

24. I think Ms. Sanders needs a new job... she brings her er expertise...

The People's summit is a JPR love fest ...all over their website...and an opportunity for Nina and others to make a buck. The want to help the GOP and hurt others...their choice...I am not kissing their asses so they will maybe vote for us...not sure they ever voted for us.

[Jakes Progress]

22. We have trouble getting along

because we actually believe in things, believe in what we say and do.

republicans have no problem lying to get what they really want - more money and less equity.

[Demsrule86]

25. It seems by their actions that this sort believes in Republicans...as they help them win every time.

[mfcorey1]

12. We are already divided!

[Gothmog]

6. I am also not impressed

[seaglass]

7. I had already come to that conclusion, but what did she say?

Oh nevermind, I just read the report from The Hill and it sounded dumb, Wolf and Jane, not too people I am interested in hearing from.

[SaschaHM]

13. Well if she runs the group/party like she did Burlington College....

We don't have anything to worry about.

I do wish the FBI would just get on with it.

[Me.]

16. Made Me Laugh

[NurseJackie]

47. LOL

[Tarheel_Dem]

15. Can't stand the sight and sound of Jane or Nina. They remind me of Trumpeteers. As they keep....

poking the bear, they only do damage to themselves. Neither Jane nor Nina will have any influence going forward.

[musette_sf]

20. K&R

[Jakes Progress]

21. russia and the kochs would love a people's party.

Lots of secret money for the assholes who come up with this one. Think of our recent green party candidate dining with putin and flynn.

[Cha]

30. So will the Fascistrumps.

[Jim Lane]

23. There's a huge difference between "blasts Democrats" and "forms a third party"

Far too many DUers seem to think that the first requirement for progressive success is for no one to voice any criticism whatsoever of any current Democrat or any current Democratic Party rule. At least, in far too many posts here, any such criticism is denounced as "blasting Democrats" or as mouthing right-wing memes.

The fact is that, while there are huge differences of opinion between Democrats and Republicans, there are also differences -- smaller but still significant -- among Democrats. It's a normal and essential part of the process for people to press their differing views. If you disagree with Jane Sanders or Nina Turner or anyone else, you aren't required to fall in with their views anyway, just in the name of "unity". You should, however, present your contrary views in a respectful and civil manner. Mischaracterizing what others say, attacking straw men, accusing them of "blasting Democrats" and the like, are precisely the sorts of behavior that can drive people out of the Democratic Party.

Face it, there are millions of people who voted for Hillary Clinton but who are well to her left politically. If enough of them become convinced that they are unwelcome in the Democratic Party, and they stomp off and join the Greens or form a new party, then it will be a devastating blow to the fight against Trump and the right wing.

Nina Turner is an example. She apparently declined to endorse Hillary after the convention (based on what I found in a quick search), but she also rejected Jill Stein's offer of the VP slot on the Green Party ticket. Turner as VP nominee would have been more effective at pulling Sanders supporters to vote for Stein than Ajamu Baraka was, so Turner's rejection of the Green Party route was a benefit to the Democratic nominee. We want to keep her from aligning with the Greens or with a new party.

[Demsrule86]

27. No, Nina supported Stein. She declined to endorse Hillary...

"I am never going to tell you or dictate to you or preach down to you, because I feel your pain, I understand where you’re coming from, and more Democrats need to respect the feelings of the supporters of Senator Bernie Sanders,” she said to cheers and applause, followed by chants of “Nina! Nina! Nina!”
Mike Ferris, 43, of Pennsylvania, said he understood what Ms. Turner was saying, and he’d vote for Green Party candidate Jill Stein before he’d vote for Mrs. Clinton."

[Jim Lane]

33. Do you have a link for that assertion?

In the quick research I did, I found her declining Stein's offer, stating her determination to fight within the Democratic Party, and stating that she had not endorsed any candidate in the general election. That someone who heard Turner's speech then voted for Stein does not mean that Turner supported Stein. AFAIK she did not endorse Clinton but I'd be interested to know whether you have any support for the rest of your assertion.

What I found was this article in which she explained her rejection of the Green Party offer and her view of the Democratic Party:

"I have history with this party. This party has a varied history as well — and certainly in this country’s history was not the party that we are today. This party was the party of the slave owner; it was the Dixiecrat party. We changed over time.

"The values that say that we are gonna fight for voting rights in this country regardless of what party affiliation. We are the party that’s gonna fight for Social Security. And we are the party that’s gonna fight to increase the minimum wage in this country. We are the party that was gonna restore the Voting Rights Act. All of those things, all of the reasons why I am a Democrat — that stuck with me. And so I believe that there has to be dedicated dissenters within this party and I am the ultimate dedicated dissenter.

"I think the party is worth fighting for. I believe that the Democratic Party is worth fighting for."

[VOX]

44. The source is Rev. Moon's Washington Times...

Needless to say, a very right-wing publication. The author is David Sherfinski, a huge Trump and GOP supporter.

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jul/25/nina-turner-sanders-backers-have-search-our-hearts/

[Jim Lane]

48. And even that source doesn't support the assertion

Bernie endorsed Clinton, and much of that "Washington Times" article is about Turner's urging Bernie's supporters not to throw a hissy fit at him just because he made that choice. She doesn't say she agrees with him and she doesn't say she disagrees; both of those possibilities are perfectly consistent with her comments.

[Demsrule86]

49. She declined the VP spot...but did not endorse Hillary.

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2016/08/03/im-a-lifelong-democrat-but-convention-was-not-about-unity-nina-turner-says.html

[Jim Lane]

53. You wrote "Nina supported Stein" and you can't support that charge.

Yes, I know she did not endorse Hillary. I wrote that in #33; thank you for confirming what I wrote.

You wrote in #27, "No, Nina supported Stein." My impression was that you were mistaken, but I asked you for a source. Your inability to provide one strengthens my belief that Turner made no endorsement.

I understand that you're ready to go negative on anyone who didn't endorse Hillary Clinton. I personally voted for Clinton in the general election, so you and I are joined in disagreeing with other progressives on this score. Nevertheless, that does not justify us in misrepresenting the facts. There is a difference between supporting Stein and not supporting anyone.

[Demsrule86]

59. She did support Stein...she told voters who could not vote for Clinton to vote with their hearts...

never lifted a finger to help Clinton...she supported Stein...I live in Ohio. I can tell you she is finished with Democrats here. And her latest antics win her no additional support from Democrats here.

"As most of Sanders's operation got behind Clinton, Turner was a prominent holdout. In an interview last month at the People's Summit, a post-Sanders campaign conference, Turner would not say whether progressives should support Clinton or a third-party candidate.

"A third party might not be bad for this country," she said. "Let's shake it up. We've had more than two parties over the history of our country. I know right now we have two, but maybe a third party might shake up both major parties. I'm a lifelong Democrat, but I want to see the Democratic Party live up to its principles. If we refuse to, if we are not able, then we do need to shake things up."

The above is support for a third Party...Nina Turner helped elect Trump.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/07/31/sanders-surrogate-weighing-green-party-run-for-vice-president/?utm_term=.779f70916049

[Jim Lane]

61. Now I see why we're not communicating.

You're using a definition of "support" that is -- how can I put this delicately -- idiosyncratic.

I adhere to my opinion and you presumably adhere to yours. Have a nice weekend.

[Demsrule86]

63. You too.

[Demsrule86]

28. You know what she attacked Democrats...and encouraged people to vote for Stein...

It doesn't matter whether she was the Green VP or not...she helped Trump win...and fuck Jill Stein while I am thinking about it...Moscow Jill the spoiler. If the recent elections are any indication...if Dems move left they lose...so we might as well do our best...these sort of voters are unreliable at best.

[Cha]

29. nina turner is not a "unifier".. she's a hypocrite and

a divider. It's all about nina and how she can't move on.

[still_one]

32. After the crap that Nina Turner pulled in 2016, she will never be accepted as a uniter.

As for this "People's Summit", this isn't a "unity" event, I think it is more an exclusionary event

[Cha]

34. It's Orwellian

Bull.

[still_one]

35. It sure appears that way

[Trial_By_Fire]

36. Hate Hate Hate!

Why is DU filled with hate posts. Seems most posts are about how someone hates someone else.

What ever happened to issue and policy discussions?

[OilemFirchen]

37. You've read "most" posts in less than two months here?

Well now! Ain't you something!

[Trial_By_Fire]

38. Yes, I have a brain and it still works...!

[WinkyDink]

56. Others will be the judge of that.

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[Trial_By_Fire]

58. Your personal attack on me speaks volumes...

[WinkyDink]

62. Did I say what the judgment would be?

[George II]

41. Good catch.

[Cha]

39. They're not.

[WinkyDink]

55. Have you been introduced yet to the Republican President's Tweets?

[George II]

40. I decided that a year ago in April.

[That Guy 888]

42. The Democratic power structure has been "blasting" the left wing of the party since McGovern.

They want our votes but think our ideas are "fucking retarded". If the current Democratic strategy was was actually winning instead of Charlie Sheen winning I wouldn't care that much.


The McGovern/Nixon race was almost 50 years ago. Time has moved on and attitudes change. The leadership of the Democratic Party needs to either change with the times or be replaced by those who realize that Reagan is dead and the GOP is out of gas.

[GulfCoast66]

43. Calling Bullshit

The 'Democratic power structure' is the result of vote of party members. Especially those who dig in and do the hard work.

If 'your' ideas are not respected it is because 'your' team is either too lazy to do the hard work or are a distinct minority of the party. I suspect both are likely causes. America is not a far left nation and DU by no means reflects most democrats much less most voters.

And BTW, you may have been spending time on a particular website where the use of the term 'retarded' is considered cool. It is discouraged here. Many of our member have family members who are disabled and that term is painful to them.


Have a nice evening.

[tonyt53]

51. You hit the nail on the head!!! WE are NOT a far left nation. Most ARE moderate.

[Cha]

46. The people's party has nina turner in their think tank.. 3rd party crap talking

about "unity". lol

[Demsrule86]

50. That is untrue... blaming alt-left's (hate that term) lack of success in

winning voters over in sufficient numbers to win elections on the Democratic Party is wrong. It really is a personal failure. The party would endorse a yellow dog if said dog could win...get to work is my advice...The so called left wing (of what I wonder as not all are Democrats) have had 50 years and very little success...except as spoilers. So either help us take back the House,Senate and presidency in 18 and 20 which would save liberal achievements hard won since Roosevelt, the courts and our Republic really or get out of the way.

[WinkyDink]

57. You do know that we had a Democratic President from 2008---2016?

[That Guy 888]

60. I wouldn't say that Barak Obama ran a conventional campaign - would you?

He inspired people who usually sit out elections to vote for him (more so in 2008 than 2012). That unfortunately is unconventional in Democratic campaigning.

What is conventional is acquiring the largest "war chest" by tapping all of the "big donors" aka the real constituents. Then campaign by triangulation - trying to "win back" Reagan-Democrats by not being "too liberal" while not losing "leftist" voters who simultaneously are too small to matter, but must vote for a party that holds them in contempt (as opposed to the other party that has "liberal hunting permit" bumper stickers)to ensure a Democratic victory.

[WhiteTara]

52. One correction...

May the best PERSON win. Women are now allowed in politics, don't cha know?

[mfcorey1]

54. I happily stand corrected!

[disillusioned73]

64. After just reading your op..

I have decided that your post is full of crap.

[mfcorey1]

65. Love you too!