Just occurred to me. What if Mueller finds the election was stolen. That means that trump isn't

[shraby]

president but a usurper and therefore doesn't need to be impeached and can be charged with crimes.

[sandensea]

1. The problem is Congress.

Impeachment and removal is, I believe, their exclusive prerogative no matter what the circumstance.

And as we all know, someone could leak footage of Trump bathing in Russian piss and rubles, guffawing about how Uncle Vlad stole the election for him - and Bitchy Mitchy would STILL refuse to budge.

[shraby]

3. Not if he's found to NOT be the president. They can't impeach what isn't.

[sandensea]

9. That's the thing though: Congress would have to come to that determination.

And no matter how utterly damning the evidence of electoral fraud, I just don't see Bitchy Mitchy and Eddie Munster budging one bit.

[Voltaire2]

16. There is no process other than impeachment

to remedy this situation. The defined constitutional process ended Jan 20th. Stolen or not he is president.

[PoliticAverse]

18. Sorry, but the electoral college voted him in. He's President. n/t

[dchill]

2. The election was stolen; Trump IS President.

So no problem!

[Spider Jerusalem]

4. The result was certified by the states and the Electoral College; Trump is President.

[FM123]

5. Wow, that would be something

[hlthe2b]

6. no, unfortunately... Electoral College vote is the one that counts, even if predicated on a

"stolen" election. Once sworn in, Trump will have to be impeached & convicted to get him out. However, I've read enough constitutional opinions, including Laurence Tribe, who believe he can, at a minimum, be indicted/charged while President. Whether he could be tried prior to impeachment & removal from office seems to be unlikely, however.

[WinkyDink]

7. He was sworn in. That's all she wrote, folks.

[ginnyinWI]

8. He was certified and sworn in.

He may be illegitimately elected, but he still is #45.

[ginnyinWI]

10. The best remedy would be resignation! n/t

[still_one]

11. The Consttution doesn't provide do overs. He can only be removed through impeachment

[sandensea]

12. Or CIA "executive action" - but they seem very reluctant this time around.

Mind you I DO NOT want to see that happen - primarily because martyrizing the fat bastard would only serve his extremist political ends like nothing else could.

I just find it bizarre that an agency created for the very purpose of precluding Russian/Soviet influence over our government, seems so utterly unwilling to do anything about it now that it's actually happened.

Leaking his tax records and Russian communications, for example.

[still_one]

13. 2018 to stop the disaster, 2020 to change course

[sandensea]

14. Hear, hear.

But can we - or anyone - protect the INTEGRITY of said elections?

[still_one]

15. You nailed it sandensea, and that is the challenge

[sandensea]

17. I never thought I'd live to see the day this would be an issue in the U.S.

Or rather, I never did until Ken Blackbox stole Ohio for the Midland Idiot in '04.

The mistake was letting the GOP get away with it then. Impunity made their making a habit of hacking elections inevitable.

And if anyone tried to talk:

[Warren DeMontague]

19. The only constitutional remedy is impeachment. Period.

But then we as a people need to stand up and DEMAND our election integrity be restored, and now.