This quote suggests resignation has crossed Trump's mind

[DemocratSinceBirth]

But Trump, too, is cognizant of the comparison to Nixon, according to one adviser. The president, who friends said does not enjoy living in Washington and is strained by the demanding hours of the job, is motivated to carry on because he “doesn’t want to go down in history as a guy who tried and failed,” said the adviser. “He doesn’t want to be the second president in history to resign.”

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/16/donald-trump-justice-department-succession-plan-239652

I suspect if he resigned the clamor for investigations of him directly would subside and he would mitigate the legal jeopardy he and his family are in.

[lapfog_1]

1. he might resign to save Jared (and Ivanka)

but I actually think his ego won't let him

[DemocratSinceBirth]

2. Investigation fever would go down.

That's an empirical observation and not a normative one.

[WinkyDink]

46. "Would" means it is not any kind of "observation"; it is a prediction.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

47. Prediction

Prediction is not a synonym for normative:

reflecting the assumption of such a norm or favoring its establishment:
a normative attitude.

I predict the Miami Heat will not win the 2017-2018 NBA title. That certainly doesn't mean I favor such an outcome.

empirical = is
normative- ought to be.

Do you really believe if Trump was no longer president his perfidy would dominate the media?

[lindysalsagal]

21. He'd make Pense president to get their pardons: all of them, but then they'd be broke:

It seems they are in such dire financial straights, they had to use the white house to attempt to remain solvent.

I doubt he'd do it unless he were impeached. Congress could force his wee, little hand....

[WinkyDink]

45. "He'd make" nothing; it's in the Constitution.There's no guarantee that that is what Pence would do.

Recall Ford: A Democrat then defeated him for the Presidency (Jimmy, of course).

[WinkyDink]

44. Too late. Jared Kushner is being investigated as the autonomous individual he is.

[QED]

3. The money laundering cases would continue

The NY DA was on to him before and will keep it up.

[dalton99a]

8. Yep. It's the financial stuff that he's worried about

or should be worried about

[emulatorloo]

17. +1.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

9. Some would go on because he opened the door.

[riversedge]

4. I think Trumps ego is playing a huge role in this whole mess. To the point of

he may not be involved in any collusion--(and that is a possibility we have to keep on our radar). But his ego directs his behavior to the point that it will probably bring him down.

[Merlot]

24. He may not be involved in collusion, but his team probably was

And my take on him is that he's smart enough to know when he needs to look the other way. If his team did colude, my guess is they did with a wink and a nod from him.

"Win at any cost"

[Kleveland]

42. If his team is involved in collusion, then he is involved.

He is responsible for his team.

Any good military commander would take full responsibility for his subordinates.

He is commander in chief, right?

Chain of command.

That is what maintains discipline in the military.

Shit rolls uphill, and then down again.

A "good" soldier does not want to do anything that would embarrass, or dishonor his superior.

Of course... there is absolutely no honor in the current administration.

None, zip, nadda, zero.

Just a facade for photo ops, and talking points for the deplorable base.

Each and every one of them is in it for themselves, as are the so called "donors" who put this jackass in our faces every day.

What goes around, comes around... eventually.

[L. Coyote]

5. I hear it is nice in Saudi Arabia this time of year.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

6. He can get the Idi Amin Dada suite.

[L. Coyote]

11. and lots more wives.

[Blue_true]

14. Idi Amin was a nut and narcissist.

Matches Trump to a T. When Idi Amin was having a spat with Ireland, I remember to great cartoon by Marlet of the Charlotte Observer where Amin came into Ireland trying to land a plane upside down.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

15. He was a boxer in the British Colonial Army. I remember when he wanted to box Muhammad Ali.

[Blue_true]

16. That would have worked out well for him. nt

[bettyellen]

34. Is that when he developed a thing for Scots? There was a movie about him and his personal doctor

w Forest Whitaker. That was interesting.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

35. The Last King Of Scotland.

[bettyellen]

36. Yes! Great title!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

37. It was fiction or fact-ion if you will.

[bettyellen]

38. But it was based on a non fiction book, wasn't it?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

39. Wiki entry

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_King_of_Scotland_(film)


Great movie. I love Forrest Whittaker's work:

[gordianot]

7. Trump loses all value if he is not President.

His creditors this time will not stand for bankruptcy. No one should be sure he has thought out the consequences of his actions and seems to live in the moment.

[docgee]

13. True, and he might wind up in the East River. nt

[TheBlackAdder]

20. After the Russians get to him, he'll be easy to find. Just search for Polonium-210 readings.

[lindysalsagal]

22. OOooohhhhh!!!!!

I think you're right. But he might be worth more to them alive, and ruined. Dunno.

[GreenEyedLefty]

10. I can see him resigning if he weighed all of the options

and if one option made him a "winner" somehow.

I don't think any of the options are good. Resigning removes the legal protections he enjoys as president, and he has to know he is in trouble.

[Merlot]

25. It's the legal protections that made him want to be president

He was already in deep water and thought that being president woudl make him imune. Probably thought legal protections would also include things like the trumpft U lawsuit and the NY DA's investigation. Or else he thought he could shut down the investigations and no one would say anything.

Like how he thinks now that he's president all his business dealings are without conflict of interest. That's why he ran for president, if you ask me. He wanted legal protection and thought it was a figurehead job.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

28. And the money. Right now he's getting even richer on account of being president.

Representatives of foreign companies in particular are staying in his overpriced hotels in the hope of currying favor. Being president has enhanced his "brand" among some (but not everyone). At least for now.

[SonofDonald]

31. I read a post on here I think.

That stated he has enriched himself by at least $26 million dollars since the inauguration via foreign and US spending in his hotels and such.

Isn't this why the Ag's of DC and Virginia I think sued him over the emoluments clause a week ago?.

At least the lawsuit has been filed, if it sticks is another story.

Disgusting, money grubbing stain on our Country.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

30. He's pushed the envelope his entire career.

He has put himself in a position where a light can be shed on it.

[Hoyt]

33. I think he ran for publicity, with not expectation of winning. Then his Mexican bigotry attracted

a bunch of ignorant white wing bigots and his campaign took off.

[tableturner]

12. The full investigation goes on regardless of whether Trump resigns.

Mueller is not going to suddenly stop doing his job just because Trump quits. Mueller won't be removed if Trump quits, either. There is no legal provision for stopping the investigation other than fully completing it. People who resign after breaking the law are still law breakers and are still subject to the application of justice, and this is as it should be.

[Merlot]

26. Which is why he will get a full pardon bargan before he resigns.

[elias7]

29. Except NYC RICO cases. No federal pardon...

[Solly Mack]

18. Which makes it all about his pride and ego.

Good. He'll fall hard.

[global1]

19. Instead He'll Be The First president To Go To Jail For Treason.....nt

[TheBlackAdder]

23. That's his chance to finally be the #1 President. Take that, Obama!

[Merlot]

27. He'll never go to prision for treason.

Not to say the charge isn't true, just that that is not the way our system works. Resigning in disgrace and getting a full pardon is what will happen. I'm ok with that.

[Lukeda420]

40. I'm not ok with a pardon.

This is way too big of an issue to be ok with that. Although it's true it may be something we have to accept. It's too soon to tell right now. I just hope that if it does happen it provokes a protest on the scale of the Women's March in January.

[elleng]

32. PLEASE!

We KNOW he hates it, the 'town,' the job, and has no idea about the OBLIGATIONS! GO GO GO!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

41. In some ways Pence might be even more inimical to our interests.

He could carry out Trump's policies with a human face.

[elleng]

49. He will be in many ways,

but might provide the vehicle for real conversations about important policies without the insane veneer.

[WinkyDink]

43. I think the investigations into collusion with Russia to subvert our democracy will continue. It is

far bigger than whether or not DJT sits inn the Oval Office.

[defacto7]

48. Oh Donny.... Being a quitter is so underrated.

Being last or worst is really a great honor! Go for it... you will be the first to honor your family with your undivided attention by putting your family's litigation over and above the highest job in the land. We might even mint a new 3 cent coin in your honor. Just think... There's your face with the words "E Pluribus Excramentum" encircling in glory.
Go on now! Be the best you can be... quit.