Not if, but when the GA special election is stolen on Tuesday, are we going to passively accept it?

[Chasstev365]

Honest to God, I am so tired of the GOP getting away with cheating!

[Eliot Rosewater]

1. Greg Palast was bullied by rightwingers when he went there to expose

FORTY THOUSAND voter registrations being lost.

It is going to be stolen, or attempted anyway, and nothing will be done.

Russia is active there too, by the way.

[we can do it]

2. Things have not improved since 2000....

[underpants]

4. The GOP has

They've gotten really good at stopping people from voting. Aided by a DNC that is disfunctional and does bother throwing nickels at state races. The GOP wisely went after state houses in 2010 just in time for the next census and redistricting.

[msongs]

8. 16 yrs of letting repubs take over @ state and local levels sad. nt

[TheFrenchRazor]

15. and dem leadership will not even raise this as an issue, much less do anything about it. nt

[Hoyt]

3. If Ossoff loses, it will be disappointing. But, white wing GOPers have taken district for decades.

Clinton did well there vs. Trump, but deplorable Tommy Price won by 23% in 2016 election for Congress.

Ossoff has had to run toward the middle to be in what looks like a good position. I'm hoping.

I don't think claiming "it's stolen" every time we lose, will help us. Doesn't mean I think polling is always secure, or that GOPers don't gerrymander, pull crud like photo IDs, etc.

[Me.]

5. Yes We Will Accept It

Because, apparently, the election is already over and we have lost

[beachbum bob]

6. Can't cry wolf every time democrats lose....

Unless something is amiss..

[kacekwl]

10. Problem is how would we know.

No paper trail,no honest recounts,no way to know.

[TheFrenchRazor]

16. exactly; some people don't realize that non-verifiable voting is a problem in itself; regardless of

of whether any particular election was stolen or not. elections must be verified and secure, on every level, from the very beginning; it is not up to voters to "prove" that any given election is stolen, THEN we move on to securing the polls. we need all hand-counted paper ballots, all the time. no, it is not foolproof, but the ease and magnitude of potential tampering is less.

[NCTraveler]

30. By setting up a better audit system. Nt

[RussBLib]

11. we're the richest country in the world

but we cannot afford to go to paper ballots, or have a simple paper trail to verify votes

Hopefully some day we will have hard evidence that these voting machines get selectively hacked. Until then, confusion reigns.

[Blue_true]

18. Broward County Florida had paper ballots in the messy 2000 race.

Did that help? More important was the constant attack on Gore by those that claim they were aligned with him and the "must earn my vote" crowd. Flash forward, Gore has been a much more vigorous Stewart of the environment than any of those that claimed he was too weak on the environment. Gore has served as a bulwark against rightwing extremism while people like Nader, Serandon, Stein hide out, only coming out when they can blow up another Democrat and make a difference in the vote.

[TheFrenchRazor]

24. actually, those counties with paper ballots probably had a higher degree of accuracy than the

paperless counties/precincts. guess we'll never know about the latter, but some people apparently don't care.

[Blue_true]

27. We can whine or we can fight through it and change voting procedures to be fair

after taking office. It is easy to point fingers at mystical unseen demons. It is much harder to force change through discipline and determination. The former leads to nothing, the later leads to progress.

[Motley13]

7. I don't think they have a paper trail in case they need a recount

[ProudLib72]

9. Voting in Red Districts

All the semblance of a real election without the fear of actually losing.

[Tiggeroshii]

12. Yeah

It's easier that way I guess

[mythology]

13. These sort of posts are tiresome.

There is no evidence at all that somehow votes are being changed or not counted. None. Whining and crying that the other side cheats is really sad. If they had some magic button to push to change vote totals, did they just forget to push it in some races?

Yes Republicans heavily gerrymander states, yes Republicans are crusading to make it harder to vote. But that can be overcome if we present a compelling case and get people to the polls. Throwing your hands up, saying that it's inevitable that they will cheat and we will lose, that's defeatist nonsense. You lose an election, you get up and work harder next time.

[TheFrenchRazor]

17. sorry, you've got it backwards. there is no evidence that the elections are secure. nt

[Blue_true]

20. I view it as being as silly as Trump claiming that Hillary got 3.5 million votes from illegals.

I contributed to Ossoff during the past and earlier today for the 72 hour push. We fight out ass off to win elections and field people that can win in the districts that they reside in. When we win, we analyze why we won, when we lose, we analyze why we lost. What we don't do is spend time with BS about rigged elections.

[TheFrenchRazor]

23. you can vote on faith; i want to see my vote and know that all were counted accurately. nt

[Blue_true]

25. In my county, which is republican led.

People can register to vote at the libraries during open hours or motor vehicle offices. A person has to have a birth certificate or US issued Passport. None of that is vexing. Most states will issue an official copy of a person's birth certificate if the person request it. I did that once and got the copy in less than a month.

I have yet to see a situation where republicans' attempts to suppress votes by some voters can't be defeated with planning and discipline. If a person is disorganized or inattentive, then any right can be taken away from that person. I would argue that people that are disorganized and inattentive SHOULD NOT VOTE, allowing people like that to vote gave us President Trump.

[Blue_true]

21. I wish there was a way to REC replies because your reply deserve one, IMO.

Some people fight to the end. Other people look for a reason why they will lose. I hope Ossoff is the first type. The next 80 hours are critical, Ossoff and his team will close the deal or they won't. So far he has done well.

[bluestarone]

31. it's rigged as long as there is

NO PAPER TRAIL ANYMORE AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you are way to trusting

[Squinch]

35. Then you are free to pass them by. But you didn't.

[L. Coyote]

14. This kind of talk is total bullshit agitprop. What happened to reason and evidence?

Please return to reality based thinking ASAP.

[TheFrenchRazor]

22. okay, where is the evidence that the machines/elections are secure? yeah, non-existent.

i think we have a fundamental disagreement between those who believe that computer voting systems should be assumed to be accurate until "proven" otherwise, and those who believe they must be proven accurate before they are even allowed to be used. it's your choice if you want to be in the first category, but people are not wrong or unjustified in demanding a higher standard of reliability and accountability when it comes to determining who gets elected to public office.

[Squinch]

37. .

[L. Coyote]

42. Okay, where is the evidence that aliens aren't rigging it? Yeah, non-existent.

I can play not logical games all day if you want. Throw me another pitch.

[DFW]

19. Not at all.

We'll write strongly worded posts on blogs everywhere.

As usual.

Or, maybe, just this once, the Republicans will let the voters have their way.
Or, it could snow in Phoenix in July. Whichever comes first, I guess.

[still_one]

26. Sorry, but we are going to win

[KeepItReal]

29. That's too much faith in a system that is proven compromised

Georgia's system is jacked up. I haven't read a single word that responsible people are gonna fix the deficiencies before this election.

[Hoyt]

32. Well, Clinton barely lost in 2016 in 6th. No evidence of tampering.

As to the Congressional votes in the 6th -- Hope he wins, but if Ossoff loses, it will just be the continuation of decades of votes going for white wing GOPers -- Issakson, Gingrich, Price.

I'm with posters above, we can't yell "cheated" every time we lose when we keep shooting ourselves in the foot.

[KeepItReal]

33. No evidence that it was a fair process, either.

I used to be a database developer.

I'd be run out of the business if I made applications as easily compromised as what these election boards are using to manage voter rolls and the actual elections themselves.

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/06/georgias-voting-system-is-uniquely-vulnerable-to-election-tampering-hackers/

[Hoyt]

34. Yeah, it "could" happen. In fact, if we are going to play "could," Democrats could steal it.

I grew up when paper ballots were all they had. "Lost" ballot boxes, uncounted ballots, missing official tabulations, hanging chads (came later), etc., happened every election. Lots of unconfirmed rumors.

Definitely "could" happen. I'm betting if it does, there would have to be enough people involved that somebody will blow the whistle.

Fact is, if Handel wins, voters made a poor choice. But, her winning won't warrant the cries of "cheating" we are bound to hear.

[KeepItReal]

40. There's actual evidence of hacking and not from our side. No need for hypotheticals.

It's bad enough that the companies that make the elections software are all right-wing owned.

[Squinch]

38. Your mouth to God's ears.

[Takket]

28. well the stole the presidency and no one seems to care so...

i don't think the 6th is going to make a huge impact.

[Squinch]

36. "Not if but when." Yep. Breaks my heart, but yep.

[Not Ruth]

39. It is not too late to go there and volunteer

[Alea]

41. please please let him win

[BzaDem]

43. It sounds like you would only say it was not stolen if a D wins? Is that correct? n/t