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Sat Jun 17, 2017, 11:01 PM

For those of you who watched the Watergate documentary...

... I think we need to give a major recognition to Eliot Richardson and Bill Ruckelshaus for refusing to fire the special prosecutor during the Saturday Night Massacre.

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Reply For those of you who watched the Watergate documentary... (Original post)
nycbos Jun 2017 OP
Catmusicfan Jun 2017 #1
misanthrope Jun 2017 #5
Catmusicfan Jun 2017 #6
misanthrope Jun 2017 #12
Catmusicfan Jun 2017 #24
PJMcK Jun 2017 #28
SergeStorms Jun 2017 #18
WinkyDink Jun 2017 #17
misanthrope Jun 2017 #20
PJMcK Jun 2017 #29
JustAnotherGen Jun 2017 #26
DavidDvorkin Jun 2017 #2
BigmanPigman Jun 2017 #3
stopbush Jun 2017 #7
BigmanPigman Jun 2017 #8
Ilsa Jun 2017 #4
cilla4progress Jun 2017 #9
Grammy23 Jun 2017 #11
Rhiannon12866 Jun 2017 #14
Grammy23 Jun 2017 #31
Dream Girl Jun 2017 #15
mahina Jun 2017 #19
Greywing Jun 2017 #33
Hamlette Jun 2017 #21
Ilsa Jun 2017 #23
Hamlette Jun 2017 #32
ProudProgressiveNow Jun 2017 #10
BigmanPigman Jun 2017 #13
WinkyDink Jun 2017 #16
malaise Jun 2017 #22
samnsara Jun 2017 #25
KingCharlemagne Jun 2017 #27
rickford66 Jun 2017 #30

Response to nycbos (Original post)

Sat Jun 17, 2017, 11:03 PM

1. It taught me so much more about the event. More than high school & college history classes

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Response to Catmusicfan (Reply #1)

Sat Jun 17, 2017, 11:14 PM

5. Too many Americans know too little about it

The ones who think they're informed might know about Woodward and Bernstein because they watched a feature film. However, there's a lot more to it than that and "All the President's Men" glosses over the majority of the scandal, two years' worth of it.

Most think the transgressions were discovered and everyone performed due diligence. They don't know that the entire thing was pretty touch and go for a long time and nothing was a "sure thing" until all the votes in the House Impeachment Committee were finally logged.

The scariest part of it is that Washington then was more bipartisan and less polarized than it is now. Even then, it took massive voter blowback along with some convincing of reluctant conservatives to get to the point Nixon was convinced to resign. With the current environment within the Beltway, it's going to be far less likely Congress will even form an impeachment committee much less vote for sending anything on to the Senate.

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Response to misanthrope (Reply #5)

Sat Jun 17, 2017, 11:19 PM

6. You are right. I think I was about 2months old. But you are right. I fear what 45's supporters

Will do when the truth finally is revealed.

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Response to Catmusicfan (Reply #6)

Sun Jun 18, 2017, 12:16 AM

12. I was 9 years old in the summer of the hearings

and still remember the daily television coverage. I didn't understand too much at first but MAD magazine of all things got me up to date in quick order. By the time Nixon left office, I was in step with everything going on, deleted expletives and all.

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Response to misanthrope (Reply #12)

Sun Jun 18, 2017, 06:58 AM

24. MAD magazineone of the best.

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Response to misanthrope (Reply #12)

Sun Jun 18, 2017, 09:06 AM

28. Funny observation

When President Nixon resigned in 1974, I was 16 and followed the news closely. At that time, I was considering a career in journalism and when I saw the political satires in MAD, I realized that comedy can be a very powerful medium for messaging.

Isn't it interesting that some of the best coverage and commentary about today's politics are on comedy shows?

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Response to Catmusicfan (Reply #6)

Sun Jun 18, 2017, 02:26 AM

18. The truth is out there.........

they just refuse to accept it. It's "fake news" to them, because the Orange Blimp told them so. How sad is it when people won't even believe a reputable media source, because the truth will bury their "leader"?

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Response to misanthrope (Reply #5)

Sun Jun 18, 2017, 02:11 AM

17. I think I'm informed because 1. I watched and read of it every single day then; and 2. I've

 

read (and own) plenty of books on the event.

I have been reading of Nixon since "The Making of the President: 1960."

Plenty of us Boomers are still alive. We remember the details.

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Response to WinkyDink (Reply #17)

Sun Jun 18, 2017, 03:35 AM

20. Sorry, I didn't mean to imply you specifically didn't know

but I just about guarantee if you stood on the street and stopped folks at random to ask them questions about what happened in Watergate, you might be disappointed at what they don't know.

I'm regularly appalled at the lack of history and civics knowledge I encounter in people and have been for decades now.

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Response to WinkyDink (Reply #17)

Sun Jun 18, 2017, 09:10 AM

29. Theodore White was a journalistic hero of mine

He was an amazing observer and writer.

Since Richard Nixon lost the 1960 election, it's interesting to read Mr. White's later book, "The Making of the President: 1968" covering the year he won. The change in personality and tactics by the candidate presents a fascinating contrast.

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Response to Catmusicfan (Reply #1)

Sun Jun 18, 2017, 08:25 AM

26. I was born in 73

Read the Woodward and Bernstein book. I taped the 20/20 and MSNBC documentary last night. Ill watch today and tomorrow. The movie condenses the timeline to move the story along. The book though?

They get hip deep in that shit. It was all fresh when they wrote it.

It also shows that sense of "someone is watching" and the feeling of being threatened those two - at that time - little pups were experiencing.

You will understand the awe at the "speed" our older DUers are expressing here.

You will understand them and their life experience with new eyes. Find them and search out their comments.

They know. They are a tremendous gift right now.

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Response to nycbos (Original post)

Sat Jun 17, 2017, 11:07 PM

2. Only if it's on Fox

And I assume it's not.

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Response to nycbos (Original post)

Sat Jun 17, 2017, 11:09 PM

3. It isn't on at 9:00 in CA. Do you know if it will be on again?

I only got to see the last 15 min. at 7:45.

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Response to BigmanPigman (Reply #3)

Sat Jun 17, 2017, 11:32 PM

7. Rebroadcast on 6/25

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Response to stopbush (Reply #7)

Sat Jun 17, 2017, 11:35 PM

8. Thanks!

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Response to nycbos (Original post)

Sat Jun 17, 2017, 11:13 PM

4. I set my DirecTv DVR. Recorded exactly 1 hour. Missed the rest!

I set the dvr to record on the Guide. It should have recorded the whole thing, but I think the guide reflected an hour-long program. I'm really pissed. It ended during Dean's testimony. There was nothing in the first hour about the Saturday night massacre.

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Response to Ilsa (Reply #4)

Sat Jun 17, 2017, 11:44 PM

9. Sorry

me, too. Somehow my DVR knew and got the 2nd hour.

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Response to Ilsa (Reply #4)

Sun Jun 18, 2017, 12:03 AM

11. My guide indicated a one hour program, too.

I was suspicious that they could cover it in an hour. (8 - 9) It also appeared to say it was going to be repeated the next hour. So I set my DVR up to record it, in case I forgot to watch it. I soon realized it was going to be a 2 hour program and tried to get it to record the second half---just so I'd have the whole thing. My DVR would not set it to record. So I just watched the whole thing.

Interesting to get refreshed on the names and the time order of events.

Wonder if tRump bothered to look? There were lessons to be learned, if he had bothered to watch. Of course, what's done is done, so he can't fix any of that. But he could spare us all a long drawn out investigation by just resigning and getting the hell out of Dodge....er....DC. Not that I expect him to ever do the right thing....not gonna happen.

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Response to Grammy23 (Reply #11)

Sun Jun 18, 2017, 01:05 AM

14. Same with mine - and we have Time Warner - or whatever they're calling themselves these days

It also looked to me like it was an hour - then repeated. But I tuned in and watched the while thing - which they couldn't have covered effectively in only an hour, I agree. I thought it was very well done and I learned quite a lot. And I also wondered if Trump was aware if it, but I'm guessing not. He has no interest or awareness of history, much to his detriment, and he was an adult back then. Not exactly a desirable quality for a POTUS, especially one who follows a constitutional scholar.

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Response to Rhiannon12866 (Reply #14)

Sun Jun 18, 2017, 12:59 PM

31. We have Cox Communucations for our cable/internet/phone provider. No idea why the guide

was off, but I suspect some of their customers who tried to record it were a little miffed.

I was a young adult when Watergate happened. (25) I was aware of what was happening, although not politically too savvy. I did know enough to watch the hearings and so I remembered the majority of the players if not all the details. I remember that John Dean was redeemed for his part mainly because he didn't go along with the others who tried to make it all go away. When his turn to testify came, he didn't weasel out but told what he knew. I suspect that is why he is allowed on the shows today to give his take on trump's situation.

I wouldn't mind an update on what happened to the rest of the people in the whole thing. The burglars, the Presidential aides, the Senators, etc. I know some served prison time or faded from the limelight. But a thorough explanation of the aftermath would be enlightening.

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Response to Ilsa (Reply #4)

Sun Jun 18, 2017, 01:36 AM

15. Me too, one hour only.

 

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Response to Ilsa (Reply #4)

Sun Jun 18, 2017, 03:24 AM

19. What channel was it on?

I checked the guide but don't see it, and I'd like to see it next time. THanks very much.

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Response to mahina (Reply #19)

Mon Jun 19, 2017, 07:59 PM

33. MSNBC ... it was really great documentary filmed in 2013

so there is no reference to what is currently happening. What was creepy is an observance that each generation thinks they are the only generation that has had such a terrible presidency, but it has happened before and will happen again and perhaps the next presidential scandal would be worse than the Watergate scandal. I was 16 at the time of Watergate and thought it was so bad that it would never be allowed to happen again. Boy, was I wrong ... and IMO Trump/Russia/Trump presidency is far worse than Watergate.

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Response to Ilsa (Reply #4)

Sun Jun 18, 2017, 03:41 AM

21. it is set to repeat, you might check and get the whole thing.

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Response to Hamlette (Reply #21)

Sun Jun 18, 2017, 06:26 AM

23. I didn't see a repeat after checking Other Showings. NT

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Response to Ilsa (Reply #23)

Mon Jun 19, 2017, 07:46 PM

32. you're right, I thought I saw one but was wrong.

maybe its online

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Response to nycbos (Original post)

Sat Jun 17, 2017, 11:56 PM

10. I was in the hospital for the resignation..

speech and his farewell talk to the White House staffers. Hard way to get a front row seat...

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Response to nycbos (Original post)

Sun Jun 18, 2017, 01:04 AM

13. Someone already posted it down at the bottom of the DU page from yesterday.

I only got the last 10 min tonight and then I checked to see if it was posted. I think it's the same one (or at least the last 10 min look like the part I was able to catch in time).

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Response to nycbos (Original post)

Sun Jun 18, 2017, 02:04 AM

16. Did at the time.

 

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Response to nycbos (Original post)

Sun Jun 18, 2017, 04:21 AM

22. True

Last night was excellent for explaining it all to the American people and folks overseas who watched.
I think it gave them a chance to understand obstruction of justice and why the Con is in deep doo doo.

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Response to nycbos (Original post)

Sun Jun 18, 2017, 07:42 AM

25. and we see how it turned out for Borke!

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Response to nycbos (Original post)

Sun Jun 18, 2017, 08:53 AM

27. Is there a link to the program? I don't have cable. - nt

 

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Response to nycbos (Original post)

Sun Jun 18, 2017, 09:18 AM

30. Looking back, I am amazed how I kept informed about Watergate.

I was working full time. No cable TV. No newspaper subscription. I guess the network news was more comprehensive. We grew up with Cronkite and were used to real in depth news. So what I learned was from broadcast news, occasional reading papers and magazines and car radio. Also, there didn't seem to be such a political divide between me and my friends and co-workers. I was able to tolerate what would be right-wing nuts today. That has just gotten larger over the years. it did get me interested in politics and my first vote was for Carter at the age of 30. I know I should have voted earlier and I can understand how some people feel that their vote doesn't matter. I'm hoping that the Trump era wakes up enough non-voters.

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