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MineralMan

(146,287 posts)
Mon Jun 19, 2017, 09:34 AM Jun 2017

Presidents can only fake it for so long.

Trump is a faker. Always has been. But, when a President has no skills, no knowledge, and no will to learn, the faking soon leads to serious, serious errors. And those errors affect millions, if not billions of people. Unlike a musician who is able to fake harmoniously when he doesn't know the music, based on decades of experience, Trump has no faking skills. When he plays by ear, as he must, he is off-key.

This President has not acknowledged the deaths of Navy personnel. He has said nothing about terrorism from non-Islamic sources here in the United States and abroad. He has remained silent about congressional attempts to gut the healthcare safety net for millions of Americans. He knows nothing about international diplomacy and is pissing off leaders of our allies and adversaries alike.

Today, Russia has shut down a communications system in Syria that is designed to keep various forces from attacking each other. Our Air Force shot down a plane, rightly or wrongly. We failed to communicate about that, so now Russia is threatening to attack our planes in Syria. Their shutting down the communication lines is a bad omen. Trump, in his deliberate ignorance, has no tools with which to calm down that situation. The results could be very harmful.

Trump knows nothing. Trump learns nothing. Trump does nothing when he should do something and does things when he should not do things. We are led by a President who is a faker. He is not fit for the office. He is incompetent at governance. He should never have been elected. The pity is that he was elected. He was inaugurated. We have little we can do to correct that in a timely way.

Eventually, Trumps faking will mean that all of the notes in the tune that is being played are the wrong notes. The result will be cacophony. We are approaching that situation now. I'm at a loss to know what can be done.

I am worried.

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Presidents can only fake it for so long. (Original Post) MineralMan Jun 2017 OP
Remember he's used to reality tv greymattermom Jun 2017 #1
Yup. Reality is live all the time. MineralMan Jun 2017 #3
K&R... spanone Jun 2017 #2
I have nothing to add to the discussion - I just am here for a second, but Lucinda Jun 2017 #4
Thanks for your reply! MineralMan Jun 2017 #5
Happy to kick...My mind is full of anger and profanity right now...I want every Rep Lucinda Jun 2017 #7
+1000 Pachamama Jun 2017 #19
The ICE raid on the border aid station in Arizona was my personal line in the dirt CanonRay Jun 2017 #23
I hope everybody becomes so ENRAGED that the entire GOP has to RUN Eliot Rosewater Jun 2017 #32
Everyone, and I do mean all living persons are endangered by orange assface. lark Jun 2017 #33
In essence, a train wreck waiting to occur. My hunch, a full domino effect will occur ... and he RKP5637 Jun 2017 #6
Yes, that's my fear. While poor decisions by a President MineralMan Jun 2017 #9
He is a complete failure on every level. smirkymonkey Jun 2017 #8
Things like removing Presidents move too slowly. MineralMan Jun 2017 #11
Plz see #13. Have we ever in the history of this nation experienced a president like this with all RKP5637 Jun 2017 #14
I know, unfortunately. smirkymonkey Jun 2017 #16
I wish harm on nobody. I just wish we could push Trump MineralMan Jun 2017 #18
I seriously wonder, has the US ever had someone like this, and with about 35% of the nation RKP5637 Jun 2017 #13
It has gone beyond mere politics now. We are in a crisis smirkymonkey Jun 2017 #15
I agree. We need enough Republicans to recognize MineralMan Jun 2017 #17
Sorry, that won't happen. lark Jun 2017 #39
We've never had anyone quite like this. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2017 #28
The continued support for him is astounding! n/t RKP5637 Jun 2017 #41
And this is what happens when alternate reality causes Americans to vote Mr. Ected Jun 2017 #10
It's impossible not to be worried, if you think at all. MineralMan Jun 2017 #12
He's a salesman, and he has no faith in what he's selling... Wounded Bear Jun 2017 #20
He simply doesn't care whether he delivers value. MineralMan Jun 2017 #21
K & R mac56 Jun 2017 #22
You nailed it! pandr32 Jun 2017 #24
anyone with more than two brain cells in their head already knows what he is geek tragedy Jun 2017 #25
It was/is only a matter of time until this President faces a true, acute international crisis... Still In Wisconsin Jun 2017 #26
Let's hope that doesn't happen. MineralMan Jun 2017 #31
Oh, I am hoping. I'm hoping there are still enough people in Russia (and other places) Still In Wisconsin Jun 2017 #36
. underpants Jun 2017 #27
Thanks. MineralMan Jun 2017 #30
This counts? SHRED Jun 2017 #40
Well, I wanted to be wrong when I said a year ago, 18 months ago and 4 months ago Eliot Rosewater Jun 2017 #29
It's so much like Naomi Klein's Shock Doctrine that it's spooky! Mountain Mule Jun 2017 #34
Yes. That's a real risk. MineralMan Jun 2017 #35
Say it was a DOCTOR or a drunk airline pilot Sugar Smack Jun 2017 #37
Insightful SHRED Jun 2017 #38
The musical analogy is a good one. trusty elf Jun 2017 #42
I'm beginning to think his crazed obstruction regarding Russia's hacking is lunatica Jun 2017 #43
Just listen when he talks. Its 100% bullshit because he doesn't know anything. procon Jun 2017 #44
When will he start faking being presidential mercuryblues Jun 2017 #45
100% correct. vkkv Jun 2017 #46

greymattermom

(5,754 posts)
1. Remember he's used to reality tv
Mon Jun 19, 2017, 09:38 AM
Jun 2017

when hours of taping is edited to produce a few minutes of a show. Now, everything is shown, including all those in between bits.

MineralMan

(146,287 posts)
3. Yup. Reality is live all the time.
Mon Jun 19, 2017, 09:40 AM
Jun 2017

Trump's mic is always on. He always has the spotlight, too. Trouble is, he has no script, and is lousy at improvisation.

Lucinda

(31,170 posts)
4. I have nothing to add to the discussion - I just am here for a second, but
Mon Jun 19, 2017, 09:42 AM
Jun 2017

I agree he is incapable of governing and is a danger to everyone.

Lucinda

(31,170 posts)
7. Happy to kick...My mind is full of anger and profanity right now...I want every Rep
Mon Jun 19, 2017, 09:49 AM
Jun 2017

who enables this idiot out of office. Catching up with the news this morning has made me physically ill...that poor young woman beaten to death sent me over the edge. I need to go watch kitty videos for a while....

Pachamama

(16,887 posts)
19. +1000
Mon Jun 19, 2017, 10:43 AM
Jun 2017

Same here Lucinda...except I am looking at baby bunny rabbit pix my teen daughter showed me...because I am sickened and livid at the enabling the GOP (and yes, some "Dems" - hello Joe Manchin) are doing to enable this traitorous man-baby....and listening to that scumbag Newt Gingrich after hearing about the teen girl beaten with a bat, made me come close to throwing something at the TV...

I did let out a primal scream however...helped a little...maybe need to go do some yoga and then look at more kitty videos and baby rabbits...

CanonRay

(14,101 posts)
23. The ICE raid on the border aid station in Arizona was my personal line in the dirt
Mon Jun 19, 2017, 11:46 AM
Jun 2017

It really, really pissed me off. The meanness that this government exhibits is the antithesis of what being an American means.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,109 posts)
32. I hope everybody becomes so ENRAGED that the entire GOP has to RUN
Mon Jun 19, 2017, 12:07 PM
Jun 2017

and hide to escape the SHAME we need to heap on them, peacefully and legally, that is.

No republican should be able to buy a cup of coffee, if they support Trump, without patriots yelling SHAME SHAME in their faces.

lark

(23,094 posts)
33. Everyone, and I do mean all living persons are endangered by orange assface.
Mon Jun 19, 2017, 12:09 PM
Jun 2017

This doesn't just apply to Americans, but to the entire world! Drumpf and Putin have set out to destroy the world's order and to make Russia the pre-eminent world power. They want to turn America into a dictatorship (similar to Russia) and Drumpf intends to use that to make himself very rich. I think Putin will turn on Drumpf, once all sanctions have been removed and NATO gutted, but will stay BFF's (in drumpf's mind anyway) until that happens.

Drumpf is the permanent worst person in the world! # RESIST

RKP5637

(67,104 posts)
6. In essence, a train wreck waiting to occur. My hunch, a full domino effect will occur ... and he
Mon Jun 19, 2017, 09:47 AM
Jun 2017

will just walk away. He does not care, he can't, and he can't help himself. He'll let it all fall apart and the GOP will rejoice, because he's doing their bidding by default with no direction needed.

MineralMan

(146,287 posts)
9. Yes, that's my fear. While poor decisions by a President
Mon Jun 19, 2017, 09:52 AM
Jun 2017

can sometimes be ignored, there are many areas in which poor decisions can have huge consequences that are not simple to correct. This is Trump's most basic flaw. He acts and speaks without a solid background of knowledge and experience. He insults those who are our friends and lets things slip by when done by those who are our historical adversaries.

If a nation or leader flatters Donald Trump, he is pleased and rewards that behavior. If a nation or leader suggests a different course of action than Trump has rashly decided on, he is displeased and punishes that behavior. He acts on impulse rather than on serious analysis and consideration. He acts on instinct, but his instincts are faulty and destructive.

At some point, he will do something that is beyond ignoring and the repercussions will cause irreparable harm. It could happen at any time, and without warning, since Trump acts quickly, whether he is right or wrong.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
8. He is a complete failure on every level.
Mon Jun 19, 2017, 09:51 AM
Jun 2017

He needs to be removed from office before his incompetence leads to a global disaster.

MineralMan

(146,287 posts)
11. Things like removing Presidents move too slowly.
Mon Jun 19, 2017, 09:54 AM
Jun 2017

I can only hope that he does not do some rash thing that destroys all that has been built up. He is certainly capable of such a thing.

RKP5637

(67,104 posts)
14. Plz see #13. Have we ever in the history of this nation experienced a president like this with all
Mon Jun 19, 2017, 10:11 AM
Jun 2017

the continued backing?

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
16. I know, unfortunately.
Mon Jun 19, 2017, 10:22 AM
Jun 2017

We can only hope he keeps on wolfing down the KFC and Big Macs and hope they do the job for us.

RKP5637

(67,104 posts)
13. I seriously wonder, has the US ever had someone like this, and with about 35% of the nation
Mon Jun 19, 2017, 10:09 AM
Jun 2017

still backing them? I can't recall anything like this in my time. I doubt the founders envisioned it, but then they thought probably that congress would be responsive and take action.

We're in such uncharted waters and congress is filled with many ineffective members. It doesn't matter, R, D, or I we're in a serious situation. Congress needs to take off their damn stupid political hats and figure out a course of swift action.

My fear is this country could fall apart swiftly under the right conditions and be left a seriously tattered nation. Also, as this ass continues, much of the world is turning away from the US considering it an unhealthy nation.

And on top of this we have endless 7x24 hate propaganda spewed by the typical outlets and sources twisting the minds of many.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
15. It has gone beyond mere politics now. We are in a crisis
Mon Jun 19, 2017, 10:21 AM
Jun 2017

situation here and people need to grow up, act like adults and deal with the situation rationally. I'm afraid I don't have a lot of faith in the republicans, they will back this disaster until it blows up in their faces.

This country feels like a tinderbox to me and one tiny little match is all it will take to turn it in to a giant bonfire.

MineralMan

(146,287 posts)
17. I agree. We need enough Republicans to recognize
Mon Jun 19, 2017, 10:23 AM
Jun 2017

this impending disaster and work with Democrats to repair things before it all collapses around us. Will that happen? I simply don't know.

lark

(23,094 posts)
39. Sorry, that won't happen.
Mon Jun 19, 2017, 12:14 PM
Jun 2017

At least not in the current climate and with what's known publicly at this time.

Now if Russia released tapes of drumpf's collusion in the election, things would start changing and really quickly.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,681 posts)
28. We've never had anyone quite like this.
Mon Jun 19, 2017, 12:00 PM
Jun 2017

There have been inept presidents who haven't been able to get anything done, like James Buchanan and Millard Fillmore. There have been presidents who turned a blind eye to internal corruption, like Warren G. Harding. There was Nixon, who was similar to Trump in a number of ways (all of them bad) but at least he staffed the executive branch, conducted the regular work of the presidency in a competent fashion, and didn't act like a right idiot on national television. Trump is Nixon with a lobotomy and too much Red Bull.

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
10. And this is what happens when alternate reality causes Americans to vote
Mon Jun 19, 2017, 09:52 AM
Jun 2017

For a "businessman to change Washington" instead of understanding the vast difference between commercial and political leadership skills. They got what they wanted, and what they wanted is putting all of us in peril.

This is a direct offshoot of the entire tea party debacle, which would have preferred to stop government in its tracks rather than finessing solutions to complex problems.

I concur. I am worried as well.

MineralMan

(146,287 posts)
12. It's impossible not to be worried, if you think at all.
Mon Jun 19, 2017, 09:55 AM
Jun 2017

Sadly, worry won't solve the problem, and most of us are in no position to work on a solution.

MineralMan

(146,287 posts)
21. He simply doesn't care whether he delivers value.
Mon Jun 19, 2017, 11:39 AM
Jun 2017

As long as you are buying what he's selling, he can make the deal and then wash his hands of it.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
25. anyone with more than two brain cells in their head already knows what he is
Mon Jun 19, 2017, 11:51 AM
Jun 2017

and has known it for some time

 

Still In Wisconsin

(4,450 posts)
26. It was/is only a matter of time until this President faces a true, acute international crisis...
Mon Jun 19, 2017, 11:57 AM
Jun 2017

Suppose next time the Russians send up Su-35's to oppose the F/A 18s. Suppose they shoot down said F-18s.

That now TRUMP? I shudder to think...

 

Still In Wisconsin

(4,450 posts)
36. Oh, I am hoping. I'm hoping there are still enough people in Russia (and other places)
Mon Jun 19, 2017, 12:11 PM
Jun 2017

who realize that this kind of thing would be an unmitigated disaster for everyone.

 

SHRED

(28,136 posts)
40. This counts?
Mon Jun 19, 2017, 12:17 PM
Jun 2017

Something this important?

Any other President would hold a news conference in the Rose Garden. Or something besides a fucking tweet. He is disrespectful.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,109 posts)
29. Well, I wanted to be wrong when I said a year ago, 18 months ago and 4 months ago
Mon Jun 19, 2017, 12:01 PM
Jun 2017

that if ANY republican is elected, ESPECIALLY someone this dumb and dangerous, we are likely to all die.

The bill preventing Trump from removing sanctions on Russia will tell Putin it may be time to cut his useful idiot loose and go back to the full on war, cyber and otherwise.

Trump didnt win the election, didnt win the EC. Everyday we allow this insanity to continue we get closer to possible annihilation of all life.

Mountain Mule

(1,002 posts)
34. It's so much like Naomi Klein's Shock Doctrine that it's spooky!
Mon Jun 19, 2017, 12:10 PM
Jun 2017

I doubt if Dumpf has the attention span or the intelligence to read that book, but his minions most certainly do. Leave the nation reeling from so many atrocities and then take advantage by assaulting our democracy under the guise of crisis control. Look at the way the public school system in NOLA was gutted to pay private contractors after Katrina.

I am worried, too.

Sugar Smack

(18,748 posts)
37. Say it was a DOCTOR or a drunk airline pilot
Mon Jun 19, 2017, 12:12 PM
Jun 2017

It would be headline news. It would be a tragedy at the forefront for weeks. Then, the rest of us would get back to our normal concerns & the "reckless endangerers" would be punished. But that's SO 2016. And now we have a catastrophe in the White House.

trusty elf

(7,390 posts)
42. The musical analogy is a good one.
Mon Jun 19, 2017, 12:45 PM
Jun 2017

He is completely tone deaf, and is an absolutely wretched dancer! The "music" he is capable of making is a succession of jarring sounds.

In the musical vein I had an idea for a pic based on the story of Amphion, son of Zeus. It is told that Amphion played his lyre so divinely that the stones used to build the walls of Thebes put themselves into place.

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lunatica

(53,410 posts)
43. I'm beginning to think his crazed obstruction regarding Russia's hacking is
Mon Jun 19, 2017, 12:52 PM
Jun 2017

because it's so bad and so extensive that he couldn't have won the election. There are rumors now emerging (note I said 'rumors') that actual voting was targeted in a handful of states.

Trump protested too loud and too long about how the Democrats want to change the election results. Maybe he knows something we don't know yet.

If we were to find out I think nothing would change. Tackling the electoral college is way too complicated. It would be like trying to excise a tumor only to find out it has tentacles deeply embedded in every aspect of the body. That the operation might kill the patient.

And from what I've seen we don't have the will to do anything like that.


procon

(15,805 posts)
44. Just listen when he talks. Its 100% bullshit because he doesn't know anything.
Mon Jun 19, 2017, 01:00 PM
Jun 2017

He's always vague and uses simple, glowing, repetitive words (like "very, very good&quot and phrases that sound wonderful, but in reality he's not saying anything in particular. Perhaps unknowingly, Trump uses Glittering Generalities, a well know propaganda technique that encourages his audience to have an emotional response and strong positive feelings for him personally even though he never provides any details or explanation.


mercuryblues

(14,530 posts)
45. When will he start faking being presidential
Mon Jun 19, 2017, 01:45 PM
Jun 2017

Trump has led us from 1 cluster fuck to another. I, for one, would welcome the respite of him at least faking being presidential. I would love for him to do something that doesn't screw over America for his personal gain.

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